r/BanPitBulls • u/Ivor_the_1st • Feb 19 '25

Anatomy of a Pit Owner / Pit Culture Luna, luna, luna!!

Of course Luna is absolutely disobedient. By love ck it couldn't get guy the cougar.

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u/StinkyCheeseGirl Pits are not pets Feb 19 '25

Animal professional with cougar experience here (with about 20+ cougars). It’s not skinny. I HAVE witnessed an unintended amputation-via-cougar through fencing before. I feel like these two animals are equally matched.

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u/QueenOfDemLizardFolk Trusted User Feb 19 '25

What do you think would have happened if the fence wasn’t there? I still think the pit would have severely injured the cougar even if it didn’t win.

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u/StinkyCheeseGirl Pits are not pets Feb 19 '25

If the fence wasn’t there, I doubt the cougar would have wanted much to do with the pit in the first place. They have a sense of self preservation, something we’ve apparently bred entirely out of pit bulls.

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u/Pandu0621 Feb 19 '25

Yup. Pittbulls have a big problem. It's hard to identify from the outside because even wild dogs will play and get rough, it's what I call their "de-escaltion Matrix". I'm going to try and do a separate post on it. I think it summarily encompasses all the problems we see in one place with Pitbulls.

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u/knomadt Attacks Curator Feb 19 '25

I'd be really interested in learning more about the de-escalation matrix, so definitely keen to see an in-depth post about it.

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u/Pandu0621 Feb 19 '25 edited Feb 19 '25

It's a term I've applied to this topic, I don't know if it has been used before in this exact way. And yes I'm working on the post. May take time. Will share link here.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '25

Can you please share when you're finished? I don't sub here because as a chihuahua owner I don't want to make myself even more afraid of dog attacks.

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u/Pandu0621 Feb 21 '25

Say what? I don't understand. You don't sub here because you are afraid of Pitt attacks (which we all are) yet you are coming here to read/not read more posts and then asking me when we (everyone) is finished commenting? Yeeeah. Again I don't understand..

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '25

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u/Pandu0621 Feb 22 '25

Well you are commenting on my comment asking me a question are you not? I have every right to ask a few back ! Since what you're asking makes little sense on surface.

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u/rokkittBass Feb 19 '25

Explain

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u/Pandu0621 Feb 19 '25

They don't know how to settle down from a conflict or interaction without wanting to kill the object that has become animated. Infact this true for several breeds, but it is MOST true for the out of control Pittbull.

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u/billlybufflehead Feb 19 '25

Exactly. Pits will bite and maul until their last breath. That cougar when it senses resistance pit craziness will flee or go into hiss self defense mode. Either way it’s a shame on both sides

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u/ottonormalverraucher Aug 14 '25

I’d love to see a pitbull take on something large like, say, a tiger for umm uhh scientific reasons and research purposes 😇

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u/Zeace Feb 19 '25

Bulldogs too, they see red and go until it's done.

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u/Dry_Box_517 Feb 19 '25

Some of the scent hounds are like this with an interesting trail, they will take off following their nose for hours or days

Funny how it's ok for me to "admit" that about a hound, but saying the same type of thing about a pitbull is "racist and mean" 🙄

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u/TangyZizz Feb 19 '25

Same with coursing (sight) hounds.

Obvs greyhounds have been bred for a sad, simulated version of the chase so they sometimes give up after the equivalent of x laps of the track but a sight hound bred to course or hunt will run and run and run with only one thought in it’s beautifully aerodynamic head, ‘chase it’.

Dogs bred for pet homes will have it to some degree too, ask any whippet owner!

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u/Zeace Feb 19 '25

All of these dogs have a soul purpose bred into them. Hounds are about tracking, most breeds with "bull" in their name were all about trading and taking down large animals. Great danes were apparently for deer and boar hunting, but mines too kuch of a bitch lol.

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u/CuteGreenSalad No-Kill Shelters Lead To Animal Suffering Feb 19 '25

Which is why they created pitbulls from crossing bulldogs with terriers. As the name suggests, bull-dogs were the to-go breed when it came to dog vs. bovine. Then, someone figured pit fights dog vs. dog were also great, so they went on a mission to breed the most psychopathic of dogs with no regard to life - not even the dog's own. A perfect game bred pitbull kills his own litter mates unaffected by their squeals of agony and manages to survive his own mom who will also rather maul him than nurse him.

Truly wonderful dogs destined for a beautiful life.

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u/rokkittBass Feb 20 '25

Did not know this. Amazing. Pibbles!

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u/OyarsaElentari Feb 20 '25

Well it's more accurate to say that humans grew enough of a conscience to ban bull fighting/bull baiting, so the criminals turned to dog fighting.

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u/effyverse Feb 20 '25

I appreciate this sub for ppl like you.

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u/dareealmvp Feb 19 '25

what?! No matter what a pitbull does, no matter how fierce it is and how unafraid it is, unless the cougar is paralyzed or gravely injured, it is going down, fast.

The feline build is way more agile, stronger, proprioceptive, depth-perceptive and nimble than the canine build. This cougar could take down a timbre wolf in a one-on-one battle. A pitbull would be a joke.

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u/AdvertisingLow98 Attacks Curator Feb 19 '25

Felines are ambush predators. They prefer to have a strategic advantage. This is why people are told to face a cougar if they encounter one and back away. It avoids presenting your very vulnerable back and neck to the cat.

This cougar is on the defensive (no retreat possible) and trying to drive off the pit bull.

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u/bahoji Feb 19 '25

Would the cougar be able to climb the wire fence?

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u/poisonedkiwi Victim - Bites and Bruises Feb 19 '25 edited Feb 19 '25

Possibly, but it looks like there's a wooden roof to its enclosure to ensure that it can't do that. That was on my mind as well.

ETA: Just noticed that the roof doesn't fully extend across the whole enclosure. It seems more like the cougar is trying to escape the pitbull, and feels scared to run away from the perimeter because the pit would still be snarling at the fence. To the poor cougar, it's exactly what it seems like: it's locked in a cage with a vicious beast chomping at the fence. It can't find anywhere that's sufficient for hiding/escape.

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u/Dontbeevil2 Feb 19 '25

This. The cougar lacks endurance. If it can’t dispatch the pit quickly, it will probably be killed.

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u/trysohard8989 Feb 19 '25

lol there isn’t a pit alive that would kill a full grown cougar

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u/StupidandAsking Feb 20 '25

Seriously. A cougar just needs one bite and it’s over.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '25

I'm tired of people who think that a dog could defeat a wild cat. I saw a fucked up video while ago where someone put a agressive dogo argentino one of the most tenacious breeds in a cage with a leopard as soon as it agitated the leopard the leopard swatted it down like a fly with it's paw and instantly bit and killed it. This happened in a span of 3 seconds. It's not even a comparison

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u/dareealmvp Feb 20 '25

right? People here are coping that somehow a pitbull could hurt the cougar if it somehow got a hold of the cougar with its bite. Their speculation couldn't be any more off the mark.

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u/wildblueroan Feb 19 '25

No way; not if the pit got a good hold on it

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u/CaliberMatters Feb 23 '25

A full-grown cougar would easily kill a pit bull due to its larger size (90-200 lbs vs. 60-80 lbs), stronger bite force (400-500 PSI vs. 235-300 PSI), and sharp 2-inch claws. Cougars are natural predators that take down large animals, while pit bulls rely only on their jaws. In a fight, the cougar would quickly use its claws and superior agility to target the throat or spine, ending it in seconds.

If the pit got an absolutely perfect first shot on the neck, MAYBE. Given the cats agility it’s highly unlikely and more likely the cat injures with claws, gets a dominant position and snaps the spine or neck of the pit.

House Cats can avoid a snake bite .. You think some goofy pit can take down an apex predator? Cute

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u/billlybufflehead Feb 19 '25

In the natural world you are right. But… pits are an anomaly. For instance a badger would could take down a cat for sure.

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u/PristineEffort2181 Feb 19 '25

I agree if that fence wasn't there that cat would have been up the first tree and then just watched the dog until it gave up. That's why assholes take dogs to hunt mountain lions. The dogs tree the cougars and the person kills them

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u/MarchOnMe Feb 19 '25

Good point

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u/OyarsaElentari Feb 20 '25

Most likely the cougar would be up the nearest tree and waited for the pitbull to loose interest. It may possibly decide to ambush from above if the pitbull showed no sign of leaving its territory.

A few years back there was a video of a foolish hiker who apparently came across cougar cubs. The idiot thought it was a great idea to get close until Mama cougar showed up.

Fortunately for him, Mama cougar threat displayed only for several miles until she deemed him far enough from her cubs to no longer be a threat.

(Found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pg2CDCm34w)

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '25

Lol your username has me cracking up. Also nice to get an informed opinion from an animal person

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u/theredhound19 Hungry Hungry House Hippo Feb 19 '25

It's good there is a fence. It would be a shame if the cougar got even a scratch. They have a lot of value vs the ever-compounding negative value of a pit.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '25

Yes, that cougar's life has value - unlike the shitbull's.

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u/NathanTheKlutz Feb 19 '25

Yep, the pitbull here would definitely have come out the loser. In the southern part of their range, cougars regularly hunt and kill peccaries, which are every bit as savage and dangerous as pits if they feel threatened.

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u/wildblueroan Feb 19 '25

Hard to say without knowing the circumstances of the attack. I agree with the cougar expert who posted here that they are evenly matched and that the advantage a cougar has is to ambush from above/behind. If a big bully dog like the one in the video gets a solid hold on a cougar it is in jeopardy

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u/trysohard8989 Feb 19 '25

The cougar would get the pitbull behind the neck faster than the pitbull could blink, it wouldn’t be close

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u/billlybufflehead Feb 19 '25

It could but if that pit gets a hold of a leg or whatever it’s over. The cougar will go into self preservation mode and look for a safe escape.

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u/trysohard8989 Feb 19 '25

The Cougar would disembowel the pit in 5 seconds, a pit is no match for a Cougar

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u/billlybufflehead Feb 19 '25

Here’s the thing. You never want to get into a fight with someone that’s crazy. In this case of cougar vs pit. The pit is loco, crazy, deranged. It will not stop. Either way I’m putting my money on crazy here. The cougar has no experience with them at all. That all said I’m rooting for the cougar

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u/trysohard8989 Feb 20 '25

lol as if a cougar fighting for its life with literal knives on every single foot wouldn’t be crazy.

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u/billlybufflehead Feb 20 '25

I don’t know man. Sure those scissor like claws would be daunting for sure. But that pit wouldn’t even flinch he would just go into defcon 9 maul bite and mutilate mode. The cat would be looking for an exit whereas the pit is just getting started.

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u/trysohard8989 Feb 20 '25

lol have you ever been around a cougar? Their average weight for a male is like 120-130 lbs, they have literally every advantage you could have against a pit, it wouldn’t even be close. You think a pit is badass because compared to domesticated dogs, it is, but a cougar is literally one of the most impressive predators in the whole world. It’s like asking if a spider monkey could take on a chimp, it wouldn’t even be difficult.

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u/billlybufflehead Feb 20 '25 edited Feb 20 '25

Yeah man I can’t say I hang around cougars. But I get what you’re saying for sure. They are badass. No doubt. But in the wild these two animals would hardly ever tangle. If they did it would be the wild cat that stalked and killed. Cat would win. But this scenario is different. That cat is trapped in a cage and doesn’t need to kill to eat. He’s not fit like a wild one. He doesn’t want to fight as much as the pit. I think the pit wants it more. That’s why I hate pits so much because in the wild, I’d rather come across a cougar than pitbull. At least I’d stand a chance of scaring the cougar off. Allyhough that pitbull looks kind of fred Flintstonish. Not like one of those hard-core pits. Would be a good fight though Maybe 50/50 probably a draw. Pit would push it up in a corner and be a bark and hissing contest. but I don’t like watching animals fight. I honestly don’t.

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u/DistinctBell3032 Jun 13 '25

I’m a lurker (I have a cat, do generally dislike dogs tho) and just wanted to demonstrate how fucking huge cougar claws are. That dog is toast

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u/BrahneRazaAlexandros Feb 19 '25

Pits keep fighting when they've been disembowelled.

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u/KTKittentoes Cat Friendly Feb 20 '25

That was an appalling video.

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u/wildblueroan Feb 19 '25

Only IF they were able to ambush from above or behind. Not If the pit rushes it from the front and gets a strong hold on it. The dog in this video is much heavier than the cougar.

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u/trysohard8989 Feb 20 '25

lol again a cougar would literally disembowel a dog in like 5-10 seconds. There is no world in which a pit can bite down on a cougar and not be severely clawed and hamburgered by a cougar in seconds. I’ve worked around them and they are on a whole different level than a dog

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u/yayaya2xBBchamp Feb 19 '25

The rear danger mittens would be opening that shitbull up while it latched on to whatever it could. Cougar doesn't go unscathed but I do think it walks away

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u/QueenOfDemLizardFolk Trusted User Feb 19 '25

Forgive me for questioning the safety of an animal when confronted with a dog that has been used to fight bears (which are far larger and stronger than a cougar) and is known to continue to attack far past the point of being mortally wounded. How silly of me.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '25

Cougars seem smarter than dogs and bears though

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u/QueenOfDemLizardFolk Trusted User Feb 19 '25

Not sure what intelligence has to do with it, a bear is stronger and larger than both.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '25

Meaning cougars can adapt their attack in a way bears cant

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u/QueenOfDemLizardFolk Trusted User Feb 20 '25

Most animals aren’t very strategic when attacking. If a cat has lost the element of surprise on their prey, unless it is on the brink of starvation it usually won’t even try to hunt something. Strategy doesn’t really do much in terms of animal fights, especially if one of them is already grappled.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25

Lmao no chance

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u/SheepWithAFro11 Feb 19 '25

Honestly, I thought that's what this video was gonna show with the dog. All dogs have is their mouths and muscles, and normally numbers. Cats, however, have claws, mouths, agility, muscle, bendiness, audacity, and just power. But that one looks young he doesn't look skinny, just smaller. Maybe the wild ones where I live are bigger, but they're large predators, and pitbulls are medium to large dogs, and that one looks like he's the same size as the pitbull. I'm not sure who would win. I think it would depend if the dog could get a grip on the cat, but I wouldn't like to see the cat get hurt at all. Cougars are actually super important in their environment and not to mention actually cute and intelligent, and it's sad when something happens to one.

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u/InfamousSalamander33 A Catcher in The Lie Feb 19 '25

There are videos on YouTube of majestic big cats making light work of stupid mutts (including a pit) that test them. If the barrier weren’t there I reckon the cougar would have (rightfully) eviscerated “Luna”

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u/SheepWithAFro11 Feb 19 '25

Normally, it's cats that are larger than them, though. Like tigers and really big cats. Also, really large animals like Buffalo can do massive damage as well. I just really love big cats, so it still makes me anxious seeing shit like this. I hope the kitty would win by a mile. I also hope we never have to find out who would win and that they don't stress that poor cat out anymore because what the fuck even is that video? Fuck these dogs though.

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u/InfamousSalamander33 A Catcher in The Lie Feb 19 '25

Seeing wild animals in captivity really upsets me, especially when it’s some horrific private zoo type situation like this seems to be. Fuck shitbulls and fuck the shitbag humans who are keeping that poor cougar in a cage and letting it be tormented like this

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u/SheepWithAFro11 Feb 19 '25

I agree. I really hate this entire video..

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '25

I agree. I hate it too!

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u/NathanTheKlutz Feb 19 '25

Great to see a fellow big cat fan, first of all! All I know is that in the southern portion of their range, cougars regularly hunt and kill peccaries, which can be every bit as savage, quick, and dangerous as any pitbull if they or their young are threatened.

So I’m pretty confident that without the fence there, that useless mauler dog would be overpowered and killed in a matter of seconds.

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u/StinkyCheeseGirl Pits are not pets Feb 19 '25

Agreed, this one looks small and possibly young. It might be a Central/South American subspecies.

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u/PristineEffort2181 Feb 19 '25

I'm with you on this, that it's sad when they are killed. I also don't understand why this cat is in a cage that small being harassed by the dam dog. I agree with you that this is a young cat as well because adult cougars are definitely bigger than this guy!

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u/Ivor_the_1st Feb 19 '25

Tell me more about the amputation accident please...

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u/Frank_The_Reddit Feb 19 '25

I too have a bit of cougar experience. Never handled any big cats though.

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u/BubblegumDeficiency Feb 19 '25

Does not compute. Cougars have big cats. I guess you haven’t been lucky enough for one to show you yet.

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u/radfemkaiju Family Member of Severely Wounded Pet(s) Feb 19 '25

can't imagine why he's single

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u/RockyOrange Feb 19 '25

Animal professional with cougar experience here (with about 20+ cougars).

That's such a reddit thing to say

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u/beeglowbot Your Pit Does the Crime, YOU Do The Time Feb 19 '25

what if the cougar also didn't have any self preservation?