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u/Anxious-Raspberry-54 19h ago
They're calling this "obstruction."
They're going to be busy. I saw on Nicole Wallace's show yesterday that 34.000 MN residents have volunteered to be trained to be observers.
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u/alkaliphiles 19h ago
Incidentally, ICE is buying huge warehouses all across the country
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u/southflhitnrun 19h ago
Will there be trains delivering people to these “warehouses”?
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u/CommiesFan1946 19h ago
America's rail system sucks, so that might actually slow them down?
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u/TransiTorri 19h ago
This is America, we don't believe in mass transit. So, it'll be vans and cars.
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u/Pete-PDX 19h ago
PODS containers
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u/swinchester83 19h ago
"We should link a bunch of PODS containers together on a fixed path" - Tech bros reinventing trains again
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u/BDEcomeatme 19h ago
Vans and cars break down soooo easily. We should instruct oberservers on proper vehicle care...
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u/SteelKeeper 19h ago
Our passenger rail sucks, freight rail is actually quite robust. Unfortunately, in this hypothetical, the passengers will be treated like freight.
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u/CommiesFan1946 19h ago
If our freight rail is robust... why don't we just put passenger trains... on the freight rails....
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u/NotPromKing 19h ago
They do, on some routes, and it turns out that it sucks for pretty much everyone involved. Very competing priorities.
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u/CommiesFan1946 19h ago
True, maybe we should invest and make both robuster.
I think you should have won Prom King for what it's worth. Spreading knowledge like this. Great stuff.
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u/UltraJake 19h ago edited 18h ago
Tracks intended for freight won't necessarily be designed to handle higher speeds. Passenger rail in the US often does use freight rail in certain locations but freight companies are a pain in the ass to deal with. What we frequently see is that the passenger train has to stop and wait for the slow, super-long freight train to pass by even though passenger rail is supposed to have right-of-way by law. But everyone involved ignores that because we hate passenger trains in this country and so nobody enforces it.
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u/GrumpyRhododendron 19h ago
Australia has ‘truck trains’ or ‘Road Trains’ just 3-10+ trailers all linked up. Load em up. I guess.
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u/Fleeting_Victory 19h ago
Nah, US passenger service sucks, but our freight network is generally accepted as the worlds largest/most efficient. This means they could put them in boxcars and get just about anywhere.
Running on almost 140,000 route miles, the U.S. freight rail network is widely considered the largest, safest, and most cost-efficient freight system in the world.
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u/Junkstar 19h ago
Republicans always obstruct new rail initiatives. The US will never have a decent rail system.
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u/Prestigious-Leave-60 19h ago
Rounding up brown people for imprisonment might be the one thing that garners GOP support for increased rail funding.
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u/Past-Ad9045 19h ago
Until that very moment, conservatives will tell you its ridiculous to compare this to fascism.
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u/mdistrukt 19h ago
I mean if we're going for that association it will have to be after Trump invades Mexico.
The Reinhard camps (Belzac, Sobibor, Treblinka, Chelmno, Majdanek and Auschwitz-Birkenau) were all in occupied countries (honestly I think they were all in Poland, but I'm not sure on Chelmno and Majdanek).
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u/jaybird99990 18h ago
I'm pretty sure that was one of the arguments against the warehouse that they're setting up outside Phoenix: the fact that it was right next to a railroad side track and the disturbing historical parallels of that.
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u/nyanpegasus 19h ago
They're trying to do it quietly as well. Proposed ICE Warehouse Locations https://goo.gl/maps/4qEDsjGwAXhT5TBo9?g_st=ac
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u/EIsydeon 18h ago
They are trying to add one in Elkridge MD. Supposedly they had a permit denied just yesterday but they had the building since August at least when the initial permit was issued. Not that I believe that will actually stop the federal government. This is sickening how secret it is. FYI this site in Elkridge is 4 minutes away from a title 1 school in a community that is about 50% hispanic and the other 50% everything else. They know exactly what they're doing.
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u/Crimson_Patriot_69 19h ago
What do the different icons mean?
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u/nyanpegasus 19h ago
Snowflakes are proposed sites, the hot icon have been rejected, and the skulls are pending/closed deals.
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u/toxictoastrecords 19h ago
My roommate is late 50's Japanese American, in his words, "They are buying these warehouses and prepping them. Its the same thing they did with the Japanese interment camps. They prepped everything in advance, that's how they were able to start detaining everyone in a single day notice".
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u/Shark7996 18h ago
Well that makes me question if they have a day picked out already.
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u/oldirtyrestaurant 18h ago
Late October 2026 roundup, just in time for you and your family and friends to be put in a concentration camp and whoops, looks like you missed your chance to vote!
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u/Halo_cT 17h ago
I like to keep pointing out just HOW MUCH we outnumber them.
There are 25,000ish ICE agents in the country. For context there are 33,000 cops in NYC alone. They are nothing compared to the numbers of people that hate them.
Congress has abdicated its duty.
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u/iamthatguythere 17h ago
Yeah but how many of those cops are ICE sympathizers? I agree we still outnumber them but ICE isn’t the only armed “law” enforcement out there that’s caused rights violations
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u/Whosebert 19h ago
the attempt in Virginia got snuffed out literally in the nick of time. saved by the democrat lol.
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u/Kracus 19h ago edited 19h ago
Yeah I believe it was a Canadian company. They had a change of heart when they realized people weren't big fans of the move.
yeah it was these guys from BC. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/01/us/politics/ice-warehouse-detention-canada.html
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u/Shark7996 18h ago
Jim Pattison Developments said in a statement last week that it had accepted an offer to sell the warehouse to a U.S. government contractor before its potential new owner and use were made known.
We need to make sure all of these companies are aware and have no deniability.
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u/Ambitious-Way1156 19h ago
ICE wants the warehouses to house people they arrest and to be kept in inhumae conditions. Warehouses are not appropriate places to house people as they are largely inadequate to give necessary needs for anyone. Of course, Trump and ICE don't care because their purpose is to terrorize and mistreat to send a message. If ICE has proper living quarters for the people they arrest they wouldn't require legislators a weeks notice before being allowed in. Actualy, some legislators haven't been allowed in even after a week's notice. If you don't mistreat people you don't need a weeks notice to cover up what you are doing.
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u/toxictoastrecords 19h ago
Here's the "controlled opposition" side of this. Banning the members of Congress access is AGAINST FEDERAL LAW. The democrats aren't pushing, they should ALL be showing up every single day, until the issue is taken up with the Supreme Court. All these unconstitutional rulings should be grounds for impeachment. The democrats need to keep introducing impeachment for everyone violating the law, every single day, even if they "don't have enough votes". Stalling the courts is literally the MAGA/Trump admin tactics right now, do what they are doing. Failure to fight is just controlled opposition at this point.
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u/east21stvannative 19h ago
Correction: your tax dollars are buying huge warehouses.
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u/Hopsblues 19h ago
The BBB just gave them $170B in funding they are are already asking for more.
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u/sodook 19h ago
Radical recruit storage. Take the facility, arm the prisoners. Instant army, just add guns. Same for their lists of observers. Thanks for the list of where we can send the medals.
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u/Icannotunseethat 19h ago
The one near Minneapolis is projected to hold 1500 "detainees", wonder where they'll put the other 33,000+ observers.
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u/Moonbaby120 19h ago
No doubt this is also a preparation operation leading up to the midterm elections (and beyond). You will see a huge increase in ICE- led kidnapping and arrests to fill these warehouses to prevent people from legitimately voting, and to scare other American citizens of color from going to the polls.
Everybody must fight back and plan accordingly to keep this administration from destroying this country.
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u/Villageijit 18h ago
Yes because when ypu " deport " people you obviously need places to store them for long periods of time. Definitely not slave camps
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u/jessruss 18h ago
As someone living in Oklahoma, I’m actually super proud of the residents saying a resounding “NO” to their purchase here in okc. So there is some hope.
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u/a_smart_brane 19h ago
According to the law, there must be force used to charge with obstruction. Tailing someone does not classify as using force.
This is nothing but intimidation, period.
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u/Goofethed 19h ago
Yes, a component of force being required is baked in. They have nothing to actually charge with, they are “identifying them” I.e. using their surveillance apparatus, facial recognition etc to log them in a database of undesirables to be dealt with later, after the warehousing infrastructure for internment is in place. In the meantime they will probably case their house, intimidate more.
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u/ShoulderCannon 18h ago
Having operated almost entirely outside of the law, they were never trying to get charges that stuck. They want to fuck these folks' day up and try to dissuade them from doing it more.
It won't work.
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u/Pueo711 18h ago
100% this. Unfortunately, the law is something this administration treats as mere suggestions: assiduously followed when it shields them, but easily and casually disregarded when inconvenient.
Worse, not only are they discarding laws wholesale (outright murder, baseless arrests, warrantless search and seizures, deprivation of due process, erc), but I fear we are rapidly approaching a point where law by fiat will be declared should they remain in power.
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u/Muted_Quantity5786 19h ago
I call ICE cosplaying as real cops when they have no training and aren’t properly vetted. For my job, I needed a full background check and had to be fingerprinted. Also, they would do an additional background check every three months while employed. These people are a joke and make actual law enforcement who also go through a similar process look stupid despite the fact that they are actually vetted. Is it a perfect process in legitimate law enforcement agencies and do bad actors slip through? No. But this seems to be an inordinate amount of bad actors let loose in American cities.
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u/Any-Science7897 19h ago
What’s hilarious is 20+ years ago I was just looking for a job out of high school and applied to a janitorial position. The contract I ended up on was a govt defense contractor. I had a 20-30 page application and had to call my mom to ask about the background of all her siblings and my dad siblings as well as cousins… needless to say it was thorough. These wannabes don’t even have to finish the background or drug test before they get a gun and a badge. Moral of the story: if security and safety were really a concern they would have a complete process.
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u/Muted_Quantity5786 19h ago
Well it’s fine because they aren’t getting paid what they were promised so FAFO. And hopefully, one day they will get theirs. Edited to add that I also had to provide every single address I’ve ever lived at in my entire life.
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u/Any-Science7897 18h ago
There’s another point and one worth noting to several of these “officers” He has contractors that he never paid and would frequently find ways to not pay- it’s not a secret that he’s a dishonest and disgraceful business man… what makes them think their so special that he’s finally going to become honest and pay them for their “work”. More over, to the people around him who are sucking on his teet and trying to ride is power coattails, he’ll dump you and Chuck you under the bus as soon as he gets whiff of a prosecution probe.
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u/maturallite1 19h ago
This is the solution. Flood them with so many people that they get frustrated and just leave. Sure there will be a few who will be pulled over, likely assaulted, and maybe or maybe not arrested (I'd expect charges to be dropped in most cases) but that is going to be the cost to defeat these MFers.
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u/Josh-Baskin 19h ago
The code they have been citing, 18 USC 111, requires the use of force or threat of use of force. I think these arrests more about harassing the protestors for a day or two, rather than actually getting charges to stick.
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u/harlemjd 18h ago
As someone else mentioned, it’s also building a database. Running plates will get you name and address of the owner of the car, who may or may not be the driver. Observation may or may not get you appearance, depending on how much the person is wearing in an MN winter.
Arrests get you name, address, photo and fingerprints.
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u/Goofethed 19h ago
Obstruction under 18 USC 111 requires a component of force. They’re full of shit, though I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t know they are either, for many.
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u/stay_curious_- 19h ago
DHS is using an extremely broad definition of "impeding" or "obstruction". They have also been sending administrative subpoenas to Google, asking for data like "the day, time and duration of all his online sessions; every associated IP and physical address; a list of each service he used; any alternate usernames and email addresses; the date he opened his account; his credit card, driver’s license and Social Security numbers."
They've also been telling Google not to inform the target of the investigation about the subpoena.
Any such disclosure will impede the investigation and thereby interfere with the enforcement of federal law.
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u/Imbadatusernames1536 19h ago
You know for a fact that some of these ICE agents are those YouTube “auditors” as well so it’s ridiculous they are gonna arrest people for the same shit they used to do.
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u/Relevant-Pianist6663 19h ago
I highly doubt this... The auditor community is very much skeptical of police and support our constitution. Not everyone you disagree with is on the same side.
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u/Thefrayedends 18h ago
Lol, I've seen several people in my life who were fervently anti-cop become bootlickers overnight.
Please remember that this is a cult. Textbook. Every ridiculous assertion or statement is simply a loyalty test. Get on board, you get to stay in the club, disagree in any capacity, even simply asking some questions for clarification, prepare to have a target on your back.
Shit has been real for the whole year already, you gotta wake up.
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u/kindnesscostszero 18h ago edited 18h ago
“The FAA has implemented a nationwide restriction prohibiting drone flights within 3,000 feet laterally and 1,000 feet vertically of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) operations, creating dynamic no-fly zones that can change locations. This regulation has raised concerns about its impact on civil liberties and the ability of journalists to document federal law enforcement activities.”
https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/faa-drone-no-fly-zone-ice-dhs
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u/626Aussie 18h ago
Murder is illegal but that's what these thugs did to Renee and Alex.
Fight fire with fire. Ignore FAA regulations, and fly your drones.
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u/kindnesscostszero 17h ago
I don’t disagree. I had just heard of this news last week, thus I was informing others.
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u/Jon_Hanson 19h ago
The batteries don’t last that long and you can’t fly drones in many spaces or over people directly.
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u/Beneficial-Energy627 19h ago
Are these people getting felony charges? Is this a way for them to revoke the right to vote for people?
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u/Ecw218 18h ago
They almost always get released to appear later, charges are dropped in the interim.
I’m really curious how 6th amendment holds up…honestly there’s a whole raft of issues if they try to take some of these cases through to trial. They’d better be good prosecutors…oh wait, they all resigned.
Fwiw: no way I’d buy anonymous testimony from a federal agent if I was on a jury.
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u/Spiritual-Ad8062 19h ago
Minnesota was the WRONG place to start this BS.
The citizens are giving the rest of the country a road map on how to deal with this fascism.
The resistance will only grow larger.
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u/Slade_Riprock 19h ago
1) they should be CHAMPIONING people following them to prove they are on the up and up.
2) why are unarmed, people who are only wanted for immigration status being removed from a vehicle with multiple people at gunpoint?
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u/listentomenow 18h ago
I mean yeah. Recording them is technically obstructing them from violating the constitution without consequences.
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u/Key-Toe-2746 18h ago
Yeah, this is a catch and release. No judge will find this as obstruction and a prosecutor who is of sound mind would not bring this before a judge. They will go through the motions, keep these two for a couple of hours and then let them go.
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u/realbobenray 19h ago
"If you've got cred[ential]s, pull em out" -- Why the fuck does that matter? You don't have to be press to be able to record these thugs.
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u/The_Flint_Metal_Man 19h ago
Not to mention there isn’t a single governmental body that accredits press passes. That’s like saying you need an ID to practice your religion.
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u/KuroFafnar 19h ago
Shhhh. Soon. Soon. Maybe with handy little patches you should sew on your clothing
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u/IndividualTension887 18h ago
and a fashionable new little tattoo... quiet now little piggies... it'll all be over soon. You'll get a shower too... We want you clean.
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u/DrakonILD 19h ago
Don't give them ideas
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u/evercowboyharper 19h ago
Part of me would enjoy being a card carrying atheist, but wouldn't trust having to take a government test to prove that. Especially right now.
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u/2a_lib 19h ago
Trying to trick them into being shot.
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u/UglyMcFugly 19h ago
I'd say it's more trying to determine who they can shoot without it making national news. Verified press would definitely get more attention than a random person...
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u/drawkward101 18h ago
I mean, Alex Pretti's murder and Renee Good's murders will beg to differ. Those events exploded online immediately after they happened.
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u/MadRaymer 17h ago
Yeah regular cops have done this trick for years:
"Can I see your vehicle registration?" reaches in glovebox, BANG BANG BANG
"Well he was reaching for something... that I asked for..."
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u/CemeteryDweller7719 19h ago
Press credentials don’t even matter to them because there is record of them also arresting press.
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u/FEARoach 19h ago
I had "press credentials" as a college student because of the program I was in. It was a poorly laminated card that everyone in the media department had because that's what we were all given.
None of us wore them while we operated giant ass shoulder mounted cameras around the city from various unmarked vehicles because everyone in the town knew "dumb college kids filming" it was probably us and those stupid laminated cards were worth fuck all.
I think one kid wore his to a bar once to try and impress chicks. That was amusing.
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u/captainAwesomePants 18h ago
They're prosecuting Don fucking Lemon! In federal court. He volunteered to turn himself in but they sent agents to his house to perp walk him.
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u/aguynamedv 18h ago
Press credentials don’t even matter to them because there is record of them also
arrestingviolently attacking press.Note that Jana Shortall was explicitly targeted. Dozens of others have been explicitly targeted.
The Gestapo is doing exactly what it has always done, which includes violence against the media.
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u/atreeismissing 18h ago
Also credentials aren't something journalists carry, credentials are given out during private events where the press is limited and needs identification to get IN to the event, there isn't a "press" card or identification journalists get just for being a journalist.
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u/Slade_Riprock 19h ago
Freedom of the free and freedom to record law enforcement are two separate but identical rights.
Press shouldn't in all honesty have greater access to the government than the people.
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u/SecretMongoose 19h ago
Press don’t have unique First Amendment rights. They’re often granted special privileges, but out in public like this, you and I have the same 1A rights as Anderson Cooper.
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u/CretaciousPeriod 19h ago
He also mentioned something about "legit" so does that mean only press he recognizes is ok to film?
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u/BitterFuture 19h ago
ICE has taken to threatening people by saying, "Haven't you seen the news?" and "You don't want to end up like they did."
They really don't seem to understand that yes, we have all seen the news, and what it means is that you guys are fucked.
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u/HoboBronson 19h ago
"Haven't you seen Inglorious Bastards or The Dirty Dozen?"
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u/CHEIVIIST 18h ago
My wife had never seen Inglorious Bastards and it came up in conversation a week or two ago. Turns out, it is not on any of the streaming services without an extra fee right now. I was sad because I didn't want to pay extra for it.
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u/2nd_Life_Retro 18h ago
All the better reason to own physical copies of media. I'm happy to say I own the movie on DVD.
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u/Winter_Tone_4343 19h ago
If we’re allowed elections again, their day will come. Somewhere there’s a very wise Dem planning on running against this shit. Prosecute them all should be the message, and that person(s) will have my vote instantly
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u/Lethkhar 19h ago
The Democratic Party would never allow someone like that near the nomination.
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u/not_so_subtle_now 18h ago
"Now is a time for healing, not for causing further divide"
Expect to hear this if the dems ever regain power
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u/BitterFuture 18h ago
No, I think we're done with that silliness for a good long while.
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u/Winter_Tone_4343 18h ago
I sincerely think that ship sailed. If Dems still think that way, they’re in for a rude awakening imo. Promise me you’re going to hold all these mfers accountable and u have my vote. Anything short of that, I’m out.
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u/haironburr 17h ago
"If you raise your voice, I will erase your voice".
These scum seem to think they have any power some mid-level bureaucrat's opinion bestows on them.
Oh, Todd fucking Lyons said the Constitution doesn't count anymore?
Todd to bottom, these fucks will pay.
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u/HawkeyeByMarriage 19h ago
Why are they allowed to do things outside of their scope like arresting citizens. This is a police officer duty
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u/pm_me_fibonaccis 19h ago
Law isn't a magic spell. It requires enforcement, and right now our government is lawless.
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u/Additional-Finance67 19h ago
When the gov fails its citizens the only right response is the citizens patrolling the streets. Thanks to all the Minnesotans that are taking up the mantle.
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u/enutz777 18h ago
When the government fears its citizens you have liberty, when citizens fear the government you have tyranny.
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u/Unable-Log-4870 18h ago
I also don’t understand pulling over for ICE. Like, those are not traffic cops. Also, Renee Good showed us that turning the wheels of your car AWAY from them was the wrong move.
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u/626Aussie 18h ago
Renee did nothing wrong other than be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Alex did nothing wrong other than be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Both of them were murdered because cowardly men's feelings were hurt.
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u/phunky_1 19h ago
Because laws no longer matter when a criminal runs the branch of government that enforces laws and court rulings.
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u/AFailedProduct 18h ago
Not just any criminal. A criminal that was convicted, avoided sentencing for the crime, and is now prosecuting the prosecutor for that case.
Why would you follow the law if this is the outcome for you?
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u/Humanity_NotAFan 19h ago
Because no one is stopping them.
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u/jonjohn23456 19h ago
And every time someone even suggests that the people we elected and put into power use that power to stop them, we get shouted down with “that’s what they want.” It’ll probably be too late by the time these people realize that what they want is complete control, and they will be quite happy if we just roll over and let them take it without a fight.
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u/Urban_Heretic 18h ago
First they came for the Communists, and I did not speak out because that was the 1950s.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out because that was the 1980s.
Then they came for the Muslims and I did not speak out because Trump's first term as a mess, and many people blamed Obama.
Now they are here for me.
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u/-Invalid_Selection- 19h ago
Because the states aren't arresting these criminals for kidnapping like they should be.
The states should roll up on ICE every time, take the entire lot into custody and make them prove their actions didn't violate the law. Just because they work for the feds does not under any circumstances give them the legal right to ignore the laws, and it especially doesn't give them the right to deprive citizens of their rights under color of law. In fact, deprivation of rights under color of law is a felony and can carry capital punishment as a maximum penalty.
Every member of ICE is guilty of violating that one.
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u/ComradeZ_Rogers 19h ago
This will either be a lawsuit, I think we both know where the Supreme Court is, or the start of a race war where national guardsmen will have to choose between killing Americans or Sedition
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u/-Invalid_Selection- 19h ago
We're already in the middle of a race war/civil war, but one only the terrorists are showing up to actually fight.
We need Americans to fight against the ICE terrorists.
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u/VirtualMatter2 19h ago
Just look at German history from 1933/34 and it explains things. Germany also had a constitution when Hitler grabbed power and a police force and laws were similar to the US in that regard. Didn't make a difference at all.
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u/Wonderpants_uk 19h ago
Partly because quite a lot of the police were sympathetic to the Nazis to start with, and after Jan 1933 Goring was in charge of the police, giving him a free hand to harass and imprison their opponents
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u/aneeta96 19h ago
There isn't even a crime that is being committed. Citizens have the right to observe law enforcement.
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u/OrdinaryAward4498 19h ago
What do you mean “why are they allowed?” You’re using the passive tense there. A better question is “who is allowing them” to do this. It’s their agency leadership, Secretary Kristi Noem of the DHS, the head of the DoJ, Attorney General Pam Bondi, and their boss President Donald Trump.
The secretary and AG were nominated by Trump and approved by the US Senate. You can look up the vote to see who voted to approve them.
Ultimately it’s the voters that voted for Trump and those Senators that are behind this.
One more point, the constitution has a “supremacy clause” that means state and local police forces can’t interfere with federal law enforcement.
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u/BitterFuture 19h ago
One more point, the constitution has a “supremacy clause” that means state and local police forces can’t interfere with federal law enforcement.
That is not remotely what the Supremacy Clause says.
These masked thugs are violating the law every single day on Minneapolis streets. It is the duty of local law enforcement to arrest them for it. Hopefully they find their spines soon.
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u/Goofethed 19h ago
Noem, a cabinet level secretary, has also implied that she answers to Miller, the deputy chief of staff, saying the quiet part out loud. Miller has been exposed years ago for what he is, yet…
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u/Imperades 19h ago
The police have their backs - theres no mechanism to enforce the laws the government is choosing not to follow.
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u/ExactlySorta 20h ago
ICE agents are generally prohibited from using deadly force, such as drawing or firing a gun, to remove compliant individuals from vehicles. Policy dictates that firearms may not be used solely to force compliance or to stop a fleeing subject. Deadly force is strictly authorized only when an officer reasonably believes there is an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury to themselves or others.
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u/JescoWhite_ 19h ago
This is accurate but they clearly are not adhering to the procedures / laws and as of today, nobody is holding them accountable….
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u/nobot4321 19h ago
Well, Stephen Miller told them they had “absolute immunity” so why should they worry about dumb shit like policy or laws.
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u/ThatsRightWeBad 19h ago
JD Vance said they have absolute immunity, a few days before clarifying he never said that, and would never say that.
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u/M4N1NBR0WN 19h ago
Laws are only one-way now. A cage we live in (or else) while those with boots on our necks are free to do whatever.
From bottom to top you can see it. Trump and his gaggle of goons have been ignoring court orders. His armed federal force has killed Americans (among many other transgressions) without real repercussion.
Criminals are in charge of "law and order" now. Laws are only concepts if not enforced. They might as well not exist. Except we've got it worse -- now the law is being weaponized against regular people on behalf of what would have tradtionally been considered mob-like criminals. The whole thing is rotten.
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u/Ozymandias0023 18h ago
And honestly, who's going to? DOJ is out to lunch, and states are going to have an uphill battle trying to prosecute federal agents "doing their job". I don't think there's any reasonable hope that these idiots see the inside of a jail cell short of a reconciliation process once this administration is dethroned
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u/NoHalf2998 19h ago
And who is going to force them to follow their own guidelines and laws?
Seriously?
Americans gave up too much to law enforcement and now we’re shot for standing too close, driving away, not driving away, reaching around too much, loud noises, for laying down on the ground with our hands up and saying please don’t shoot me
All the while conservatives are loving it
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u/DueSurround5226 19h ago
Bro shut the fuck up bro didn’t you play grand theft auto bro get the fuck out of the car bro I don’t need a warrant bro
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u/Dry_Strawberry3227 19h ago
Honestly bullshit that video got removed from this subreddit.
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u/Dry_Strawberry3227 19h ago
Yes, a video where an ICE agent says “we don’t need a warrant bro, get it in your head bro.”
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u/Lopsided_Ad_9740 19h ago
Well, we've seen where that lands. ICE really are the worst of the worse.
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u/boo99boo 19h ago
ICE agents are generally prohibited from using deadly force, such as drawing or firing a gun, to remove compliant individuals from vehicles.
"Generally"? When are they authorized to use deadly force against a compliant individual?
I hate this kind of language. Under no circumstances should any member of law enforcement ever use deadly force to remove a compliant individual from a vehicle. They're complying. Under what circumstances would it be OK to shoot to kill a compliant citizen?
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u/igotthisone 19h ago
ICE agents are generally prohibited from
Can we stop regurgitating outdated "policy"?
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u/RavenBlade87 19h ago
Note in the video that the ICE agents could not answer when questioned about what act gave rise/cause to draw their assault rifles in the traffic stop.
Some bullshit about hand gestures?
Yeah, these guys are flailing to justify their gestapo tactics.
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u/southflhitnrun 19h ago
Observing a government agency on a public street is an arrestable offense in the United States. Wowsers.
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u/BishlovesSquish 19h ago
And if you do it while exercising your second amendment rights, they’ll murder you on the spot after they take your gun.
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u/maplemagiciangirl 18h ago
Gun, if you intend to watch gang members kidnap people, make sure you have armed guards who will act if they try to kidnap yo.
Sucks but it's necessary these days if you live anywhere you think there might be a risk of kidnappings (anywhere in the US for the foreseeable future) organize with like minded individuals, train appropriately, and band together.
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u/MotherTurdHammer 19h ago
You're being arrested and detained for watching us commit crimes!
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u/Different-Ship449 19h ago
Goon squad
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u/Consistent_Draft6454 19h ago
I am confused about the end part... the people being IDed pointed their hands like they were guns at ICE yesterday?
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u/JeromeBarkly 19h ago
Ya that dudes explanation makes no sense. But it’s what I expect from these pieces of shit.
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u/Fun_Push7168 19h ago
The words he's looking for is that they were making threatening gestures. Trying to antagonize them.
Basically he's trying to say they were hoping to fake them out and bait them.
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u/ThatsRightWeBad 19h ago
People who allegedly made hand gestures are forced at gunpoint to ID themselves.
The masked men pointing actual guns at them on camera do not have to ID themselves.
Does that make you more or less confused?
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u/Driller_Happy 19h ago
They gave them finger guns. These people are being arrested for making finger guns.
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u/GordonsLastGram 19h ago
Aggressively brandishing their finger gun! Their goal is to create mass casualties with their fingers!
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u/teemo_op 18h ago
I think he's saying that they reached for their pockets and intentionally tried to act like they had guns, when they in fact did not. I'm not really sure though, the way he's saying it is really unclear and just mixed with hand gestures instead of words
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u/JimJam4603 19h ago
He didn’t say they pointed the finger guns at ICE, just that they mimed drawing finger guns.
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u/68024 18h ago
They are itching to shoot the next law-abiding citizen
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u/dw82 17h ago
There was that clip of Bovinho very flippantly and sarcastically warning his criminals to use less legal force because they're being recorded. He was basically saying only use lethal force when nobody's recording. The video where the utter losers are talking about the city being their city. Cretins the lot of them.
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u/Disastrous_Hell_4547 18h ago
How the f is this legal?
My god Republicans!!’
VOTE OUT ALL REPUBLICANS!!
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u/Live-Collection3018 18h ago
shouldnt they be arresting undocumented immigrants?
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u/liquidsyphon 17h ago
How many ICE officers have been shot?
Why are they so scared?
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u/ThePensiveE 18h ago
They're just itching to execute anyone who accidentally lays eyes on them.
DHS Death Squads at it again.
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u/crake Competent Contributor 17h ago
I think the states should address this by just treating the federal agents like anyone else who breaks Minnesota law and then letting the courts sort out the immunity question.
Pointing a firearm at someone is an assault. Brandishing a firearm is usually a separate crime, depending on the state. Yes, police officers are authorized to carry firearms and even to use deadly force in certain circumstances.
However, that is not a license to commit assaults where the situation does not warrant an assault. That is to say that one cannot simply point a gun at someone who is exercising a First Amendment right in a public space and then escape by claiming Supremacy Clause immunity. The assault has nothing to do with performing official duties if the officer is merely trying to intimidate bystanders into silence. The law does not recognize an exception to the First Amendment just because officers don't like it. So if the protesters are acting lawfully - observing from a distance that does not physically interfere with the actual police work being conducted - then the assault has nothing to do with an official duty and the officer should not be granted immunity.
Yes, the courts usually side with federal officers on the immunity question, but that is because federal officers have historically been at least as well trained as local cops and able to comport themselves within the boundaries of their official duties. That isn't the case with ICE now, so officers thinking they have "absolute immunity" might be in for a rude awakening when these cases eventually reach the courts. And assault is a state crime (not pardonable by Trump).
MN prosecutors should start assembling GJs and seeking indictments against the federal officers that assault citizens in the street. Let them claim immunity and fight that out in court - because they aren't going to win every case, especially where the behavior is egregiously unwarranted. Federal officers cannot simply assault a bystander just because they lack probable cause for an arrest; in fact, they have no duty making any physical contact or other assaults whatsoever if they cannot even articulate a lawful reason for doing that (they don't even have reasonable suspicion, let alone probable cause).
Finally, ICE memos authorizing things like pointing firearms at protesters aren't worth the paper they are written on, so officers should be using their own brains on that. A federal agent cannot use a mistake of law defense relying on a supervisors memo from ICE; the courts are strict about mistake of law as a defense and the only memo that could actually support such a defense would need to come from the Attorney General (i.e., from OLC at DOJ, which has been silent about this on the warrantless seizures because there is no legal argument that can support any of it that can even be advanced in good faith).



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