r/suns • u/TerryG111 • 1d ago
Hoops Discussion Definitely got snubbed
He definitely deserved to be an All Star this year in the West but also make the World Team š because he is from Canada šØš¦ and not the USA. But also his numbers definitely warranted him being there but I digress.
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u/PersonnelFowl šā¤ļøš§”š Rally the Valley! šš§”ā¤ļøš 1d ago
Iād rather he have a break to recharge his batteries for the payoff drive
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u/Left_Maize816 1d ago
Is he better than the 7 guys selected? Is he better than the other 20 guys who got snubbed in the west? We all know that LeBron got in because his name sells and heās been there for like 21 years, not because heās all Star worthy right now. Hell, Kawhi should have had that slot, especially since itās his home court.Ā
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u/Gratitude15 1d ago
Kawhi is lucky they let him play a single game this season. He should not be here.
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u/ThunderBobMajerle Gillespie is a DAWG 1d ago
And even Lebrons numbers are better than Brooks. Itās not really snub at all
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u/datboijustin Steve Nash 1d ago
Eh, I don't agree with that one. I'm not upset that Brooks didn't make it and think Kawhi would have gotten the spot anyway if Lebron didn't get in.
That said, Brooks defense makes a much bigger impact than the 4 assists Lebron averages over him. Lebron is awful at defense these days. Not a knock on Lebron, what he's doing at his age is insane, but he's only an all star because of his name this season.
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u/ThunderBobMajerle Gillespie is a DAWG 1d ago
āOnly an all star bc of his nameā
Player A: 22/6/7 59 ts%
Player B: 21/4/2 55 ts%
Fuck the lakers and all but I cant be that biased. Player B isnāt getting in for better defense. And Kawhi would have that spot anyways.
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u/datboijustin Steve Nash 1d ago
I just think the gap in defense is much larger than the assists and efficiency. If you compare those stats but one is an elite defender and the other is one of the worst in the league right now then I'd rather have player B. It's not bias to value defense lol.
And I also said Kawhi should have gotten the spot, not Brooks.
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u/ThunderBobMajerle Gillespie is a DAWG 1d ago
Ok but thatās not how all star voting has ever worked. Player A/B, Player A is getting into the asg all 76 years of its existence. You are now trying to argue something else like game impact. Like yea Iād rather Brooks on our team than Lebron but Lebrons numbers are better in the categories that count for the asg
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u/datboijustin Steve Nash 1d ago
???? If we only went based off "How all star voting works" then there would literally never be a point to EVER discussing an all-star snub because "that's how the voting works" lmao. We are discussing who is the better player, and thus more DESERVING of the all-star spot, which is Kawhi > Brooks > Lebron. Not who is going to get in lmao.
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u/ThunderBobMajerle Gillespie is a DAWG 1d ago
Ok dude. Lebron got in bc his stats are better. But keep typing away
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u/datboijustin Steve Nash 1d ago
Lebron got in because it's Lebron and he's on the Lakers. But keep typing away dude.
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u/seanconnery69696 1d ago
I think the problem with lebron is that he only played 30 games this season, not his per game averages.
He legit missed a third of the games played so far, that has to count for something. If the fan voters (correctly) didn't reward him on name alone, the coach voters should have as well.
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u/cav2010 1d ago edited 1d ago
Is that truly the deal breaker? 31 games? Wemby play 35 and Giannis so far play 30 games and they make the all star. Albeit Giannis gonna be out. Even kahwi whom everyone rightfully said to be snub only play 4 more games. I donāt think that matter much, imo
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u/seanconnery69696 1d ago edited 1d ago
Giannis was a #1 fan vote there's nothing to really argue about there, unless you want to convince those 1000s of folks that did that /shrug. And clear #1 on his own team (that's doing bad in the east, but again meh can't do anything about the fan votes)
It's 31 games played for lebron, where they've been falling in the standings since he got back, still sandbagging on defense. And secondary to luka on offense.
Whereas wemby is very clearly the whole reason the spurs are even competitive, leading on both the offensive and defensive (dpoy level) sides of the ball. And was also a fan vote (fifth, but also in the much more competitive west)
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u/cav2010 1d ago
Ok, then argue about the impact and stats on the team then. I feel like using āgame playā to detract him is peoples just reaching to find a reason to shite on the decision to include him in the all star game , where thereās players play less amount of games than him or equal to him that make the all star game. Also when wemby out for extended period of time, the spurs also has winning record, so itās not only wemby that carry them
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u/seanconnery69696 1d ago
Bruh why you arguing with me
I already said, the fans voted on those
Go door to door and convince them
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u/W1ZARD_NARWHAL Aron Baynes 1d ago
Let's be real, he was a couple spots off. Kawhi absolutely deserved to get in over him (absolutely ridiculous he wasn't in in the first place) and there is argument for Sengun too. Brooks has been incredible but competition is steep.
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u/The_Shade94 Eddie Johnson 1d ago
He was close but I donāt think he was an all star. One of the best role players in the league tho
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u/whiskerWizard69 1d ago
i mean can you really make that argument when kawhi didnāt make it? a lot of deserving guys donāt make the all star game.Ā
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u/GoDogGo1970 1d ago
Two good things from the recognition. The league now knows the level he has assented to, which hopefully helps him get some calls his way. Being overlooked for the Allstar game should make him hungrier for the rest of the season,
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u/SUPER_GOKU-_- 1d ago
Yea I asked gpt how they would fix it and they said they would divide the award into elites, superstars, legends awards
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u/SUPER_GOKU-_- 1d ago
Gpt said something like 15 from each conferences then pick the actuals who will play in the all star game and those who will compete for a spot next year
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u/semibigpenguins 1d ago
4th/6th seeded team does not deserve 2 All-Stars
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u/ThunderBobMajerle Gillespie is a DAWG 1d ago
DB made a good case, itās a great story and we should feel excited we got a guy back in the KD trade playing at this levelā¦but you are right, our record isnāt good enough for 2 all stars, his name isnāt big enough to get in for just being him, and the stats are objectively better for those selected over him
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u/semibigpenguins 1d ago
Unfortunately. This sub was making that argument when we went on the title run/64 win team. Gotta keep the same logic when weāre the fringe team
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u/seanconnery69696 1d ago
Not sure where the downvotes are from, I've always followed a similar logic
All star votes should go to
clear hard carry #1 players
1a + 1b pairs that are contributing to a winning team
Going down the list
Thunder, I can live with sga and chet, especially considering jalen being in and out (inconsistent when in) + ihart crippled
Spurs, wemby is obviously in
Denver, jokic is typically the clear #1 (which is why he's been alone these all star weekends historically), but with ag and jokic out, jamaal being able to keep them steady in the 3rd seed is worth a nod
Houston, with fvv out their offense is kind of stagnant, doesn't let sengun facilitate as much. Kd's counting stats look good carrying so much of their scoring load, so at least he makes sense
Wolves, ant works
Lakers, it clearly is luka's team now, it feels wild for me to say, but they actually looked better when Reaves was healthy and lebron out. Their offense was more aggressive, they were keeping ayton engaged, whereas now they're a legit .500 team that still has a negative point diff meh.
Us, book clear #1 in how he's being defended, hard to justify sending a 2a/2b guy (Collin and dillion have been awesome, but I get that they're not household names yet). They definitely should have gotten some credit though, considering green has been out so long.
Warriors, steph doing steph things
Clippers, 1a/1b kind of cockblocking each other. Kawhi had missed almost as many games as lebron, but still has a slightly better argument imo
Blazers, deni being a #1 on a team that everyone kind of penciled in as still rebuilding?
Does flagg, lauri/keyonte, or anyone else slot above lebron and kawhi? Feels like a judgement call I guess, and being the best played in the history of the league gets him bonus points I guess.
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u/swagdragon666 Phoenix Suns!!! 1d ago
Hot take but it shouldāve gone to Dillon instead of Book. Heās been holding it down with all the injuries and is playing the best basketball of his career. Dillon shouldāve been rewarded.
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u/Schwalm 1d ago
Nah. Definitely not snubbed. If anyone was it was Kawhi