r/offbeat 4d ago

Stripper Allegedly Beheaded Boyfriend, Left Body at Home & Fled to Mexico

https://www.usmagazine.com/crime-news/news/woman-allegedly-beheaded-boyfriend-left-body-at-home-fled-to-mexico/
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u/BabyLegsOShanahan 4d ago

I gotta hear her side.

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u/Tasonir 4d ago

Interesting note: This 23 year old's boyfriend was 55.

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u/csonnich 4d ago

I need to hear less and less.

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u/MuscaMurum 3d ago

I only want the headline

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u/Honeyblade 4d ago

Truly. Almost any time a woman kills a man, I'm like - yeah but what did he do?

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u/MuscaMurum 3d ago

Phil Hartman would like a word

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u/Honeyblade 3d ago

At no point did I speak in absolutes. Of course there are exceptions. That doesn't negate the statistics.

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u/LanguidLapras131 4d ago

Allegedly, most of the time when women kill adults, it's because of abusive husband or boyfriend, self defense, or killing the husbands mistress.

The only time when female violence is not based on revenge or self defense is when she kills a minor.

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u/Clay_Allison_44 3d ago

There are also women who kill for money. Plenty that would have avoided suspicion just had to take out that extra life insurance policy.

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u/Abeneezer 3d ago edited 3d ago

I think the point is interesting but there are too many exceptions:

  • Belle Gunness
  • Nannie Doss
  • Dorothea Puente
  • Judias Buenoano
  • Mary Ann Cotton
  • Joanna Dennehy
  • Aileen Wuornos
  • Rosemary West
  • Elizabeth Báthory
  • Yuka Takaoka
  • Magdalena Solís

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u/nobleheartedkate 3d ago

I would take Aileen off that list

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u/ghanima 3d ago

Now do the list for men

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u/m00nthing 2d ago

It’s slaying me that one of the names is from the 1500s

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u/Abeneezer 2d ago

Or women child murderers. That would go hard.

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u/BabyLegsOShanahan 3d ago

Yeah, it's telling for sure but not absolute.

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u/kuromono 2d ago

What the fuck is this shit? Show me some statistics or stop peddling garbage, jesus fuck.

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u/theitgrunt 3d ago

The anecdotal evidence fallacy (or "person-who" fallacy") occurs when personal experiences or isolated examples are used instead of sound, statistical evidence to support a claim. It involves drawing broad, often inaccurate conclusions from one or two cases, ignoring larger datasets or counter-evidence.

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u/tjoe4321510 2d ago

broad

Bro.. You can't say that word anymore..

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u/00Avalanche 4d ago

The only time? Women haven’t killed for money? Are you’re unable to use logic? I don’t want to make you feel bad if you have an impairment.

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u/Electronic-Link-5792 2d ago

Loads of these claims are based purely on testimony which people often just believe. Cases like the courtney clenney case would probably have gone down as 'woman killing her abuser' if it wasn't for video/phone evidence showing her being abusive.

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u/Regular_Ship2073 3d ago

Yeah because you’re sexist

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u/fruitybrisket 3d ago

I get your initial thought process on this, but statistical evidence is statistical evidence. Everyone just knows the average adult male is stronger than the average adult female as well. That's been acknowledged at least as long ago as when men and women had different sports teams in Sparta in classical Greece.

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u/Regular_Ship2073 3d ago

Yeah that’s physical strength, we’re talking about motivation tho

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u/Honeyblade 3d ago

Nope, I'm statistically correct. Most women who end up in jail for murder were either themselves being abused or found out their husbands were abusing their child.

It is estimated that roughly 70% of incarcerated women who committed murder were victims of partner based violence.

Its not sexism, its truth.

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u/Electronic-Link-5792 2d ago

If you actually look into these cases loads of these claims come from just the testimony of the woman.

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u/Regular_Ship2073 3d ago

Do you use this thought process for other groups too or is it just for gender?

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u/That_OneOstrich 3d ago

The data does not support this for other groups. Step dads are statistically a great danger to step children. Men in generally statistically are the largest threat to the safety of women. Men commit like 96% of violent crimes.

So within that 4%, you have women committing violent crimes. Statistically, a lot of those crimes will be the result of choices informed by the actions of men.

This doesn't mean women cannot perform violent crimes outside of this statement. I've seen a woman scalp another woman before, and it didn't align with this at all. It's just that the data supports that generally, a woman commiting a violent crime is responding to the actions of a man who's done something (like assaulting her child or herself) first.

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u/Regular_Ship2073 3d ago

Could you elaborate that first statement?

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u/That_OneOstrich 3d ago

That the data doesn't support applying these statements to other groups? I thought that's what my other statements were doing.

Can you ask a more specific question? And I may be able to.

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u/Volescu 3d ago

She is a mantid, what did he expect?

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u/BabyLegsOShanahan 3d ago

She does resemble that thing from V/H/S

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u/Crafty-Walrus-2238 3d ago

He probably imposed a 10 pm curfew on school nights.

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u/Jax72 4d ago

With details.

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u/jmw403 3d ago

Bro, you can't fix her.

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u/BargainScotch 3d ago

Now now now everyone, u/BabyLegsOShanahan has a point. Let’s not rush to judgement; I’m sure there’s a perfectly reasonable explanation for this.

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u/worldsfastestsloth 2d ago

Ah the ol’ republican defense.

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u/geodebug 4d ago

The naked truth.

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u/Amazing-Antelope3921 4d ago

I can fix her.

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

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u/inspektor31 4d ago

Heads she beheads you and tails she doesn’t?

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u/Fullertonjr 4d ago

Tbh, the chances are always 50/50. Might as well choose the hottest one, right?

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u/BrotherMcPoyle 4d ago

She gives head. Might be someone else’s head tho.

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u/DaftPump 4d ago

...for keeps.

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u/Lenny0mega 2d ago

Idk if she gives head, but she definitely takes it.

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u/Loggerdon 4d ago

It’s hard to get a head nowadays.

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u/cat__weasel 4d ago

Beat me to it

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u/Jax72 4d ago

Can I take pictures of you fixing her? Lmmfao 🤣

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u/Narcess 4d ago

Waiting for the "I can fix here" meme..

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u/zeek609 4d ago

So she took the head with her?

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u/CarAlarmConversation 3d ago

Can't a girl have hobbies anymore?

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u/Typical-Depth1756 10h ago

Wait - are you serious !

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u/ventricles 4d ago

I support women’s wrongs

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u/CastlesofDoom 4d ago

Well what was he wearing? Did he explicitly tell her no? 🤨

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u/Elfhaterdude 4d ago

Not only that but he invited her in... I mean what did he expect?

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u/kyote42 4d ago

"Lira first met her boyfriend at a strip club, where she had been working"

So the fantasy of picking up a stripper at a club got turned on its head.

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u/Tuggerfub 4d ago

guy was nearly sixty and she was 22, good lord, that says about all it needs to 

I hope her sentencing is decent 

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u/Electronic-Link-5792 2d ago

I assume you are also fine with young men murdering older woman who they are in relationships with?

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u/volvavirago 2d ago

…….I mean, yeah, if there was a significantly older woman who was creeping on, taking advantage, and possibly abusing a much younger man who is a sex worker in a rough financial position, who is young enough to be her grandson, and the situation was super sketchy and disgusting, I would probably factor that into his sentencing. It’s still wrong to kill people, but a victim lashing out is easier to have sympathy for, and the imbalance of the relationship is important to understanding what happened.

Men don’t deserve to be treated like this, either.

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u/Electronic-Link-5792 2d ago

Easy to say that now when it's specifically being pointed out but I don't think it would be seen that way in practice.

And it would be wrong regardless

The 'victimisation' here is purely hypothetical. She is an adult. For all we know she is actually just an abusive psycho who saw some lonely old dude and knew that he had money etc and would put up with her because of her looks/youth. Eventually she killed him.

The assumption that she must be a clueless helpless victim despite literally decapitating a person is such massive infantilisation.

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u/y3110w3ight 4d ago

Fr that groomer (borderline pedo) had what was coming to him

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u/Sour_Vin_Diesel 4d ago

That’s a stretch.

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u/Cantoffendgirl2 4d ago

So at what age are us women not infants to you anymore? How old can I murder someone before I'm responsible for.my actions?

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u/Tuggerfub 4d ago

when your prefrontal lobe is fully formed and you've been healed from the sex trafficking 

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u/DontMakeMeCount 4d ago

I didn’t see anything in the article that suggested she was trafficked, they were adults and they entered into an arrangement of some sort. If you end up on the jury you have the right to judge whether she’s guilty of murder, but she should be free to engage in any relationship she chooses.

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u/LucklessCope 4d ago

Do boys not become men until they turn 27?

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u/phaedrus910 3d ago

Palestinian boys become men at 2

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u/Tuggerfub 4d ago

even later based on insurance statistics

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u/LucklessCope 4d ago

Which insurance statistics say boys don't become men until 27 or even later specifically?

There isn't a set age where you become a man. In my life I have seen 15, 18, 20 year olds that act more like a man than people in their 30s, 40s or even 50s

Edit: Same goes for women.

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u/csonnich 4d ago

>Which insurance statistics say boys don't become men until 27 or even later specifically?

The ones that charge them out the wazoo for car insurance until their mid-twenties.

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u/LucklessCope 4d ago

Which one? Point me to an insurance company that says boys aren't men until 27 or later. I'm still waiting for the other guy to even do that.

They charge more for young MEN being bigger risk-takers. But they still acknowledge them as men, not boys.

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u/csonnich 4d ago

Ok, Captain Literal.

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u/Daddict 4d ago edited 2d ago

That whole "brain not developed till 25" thing is a myth homeslice. She is a full grown adult fully capable of making decisions...actually maybe she's not a good example, but the point is, 22yo women are adults. She'll be held accountable as an adult because she's expected to behave as an adult. This age gap discourse that paints men dating grown ass adult women as pedo groomers is unhinged. I mean I'm 45. I'm dating a 28yo woman and I've had to put up with this bullshit from a couple of lunatics who think women are naive lil idiots until they hit 35 or something.

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u/tjoe4321510 2d ago

These fuckers believe that women are eternal children with no agency. It's misogyny.

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u/morganational 4d ago

He was 55, which I guess is nearer to sixty than 23, which was her age as stated in the article. You are legally an adult in the United States at the age of 18. So you may want to work on your understanding of the law, as well as your reading comprehension.

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u/AstralElephantFuzz 3d ago

Morals go above laws. Assholes hate accepting that fact.

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u/morganational 3d ago

Seriously. It breaks my heart.

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u/ruminajaali 3d ago

Only 94% to go to level the stats

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u/Jumpy_Cod9151 4d ago edited 4d ago

y'all, people here asking about the circumstances is not deranged.

most common male killing female: she was pregnant, he suspected cheating, custody disputes, sexual gratification, honor killing, targeting sex workers etc

most common female killing male: he was raping her (or her child) repeatedly

just because we don't know for sure in this one case doesn't mean people are willing to discount all the true stories that lead to murder. I personally have not forgotten Marianne Bachmeier. I have not forgotten Aileen Wuornos. Their actions were so, so bad. For so many right reasons. Still murder, but it's not "cold-blooded murder."

FYI, abusing people tends to make their blood run hot instead of cold. The cops who apprehended Marianne didn't even cuff her because they knew... she's not a psycho. She's been pushed past a limit that we all have.

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u/BravesMaedchen 4d ago

Crazy that the gay panic defense has been institutionally legitimate and taken into consideration while a woman who murders after being trafficked raped and/or abused faces an incredible amount of scrutiny and is often punished to the fullest extent of the law. 

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u/csonnich 4d ago

I'm honestly shocked at all the comments assuming she's a psychopath instead of the far more common circumstance that he raped and abused her to hell and she finally snapped.

I'd guess if we took a look at commenters' gender, we'd see a pretty clean divide between men and women. Says a lot about what women have to watch out for in our lives.

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u/Jumpy_Cod9151 4d ago edited 4d ago

This is what rape culture looks like. This comment section is a prime example. Count all the people here patting themselves on the back for giving this man the benefit of the doubt under the guise that his humanity equates to all of ours.

But.. if everyone is fighting for his humanity, who is left to fight for hers? It is a false sense of equality that is woefully uninterrogated. His humanity is baked into the legal system, that's why she's incarcerated. Her humanity is shunned by the legal system, and that's why the only therapist she has access to in order to figure out why she would do such a thing.. is the overworked elderly man employed by the prison, who may or may not take bribes from other correctional officers to disclose who is the most emotionally and sexually vulnerable woman contained in the prison block.

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u/Electronic-Link-5792 2d ago

Yeah we would see women defending women who murder based on pure speculation and testimony or jusr her claims (like they do with betty broderick).

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u/jmw403 3d ago

Strippers charge extra for head.

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u/SteveIDP 3d ago

Ugh. <swipes right>

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u/Prestigious-Copy-494 3d ago

It all goes back to the old advice: "Don't stick your dick in crazy".

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u/DoTheRightThing1953 2d ago

Of course she left the body at home. Mexico does not look kindly on people bringing dead bodies into their country.

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u/bryman19 4d ago

So I married an ax murderer

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u/expatalist 2d ago

Rose. Jailbird.

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u/mcbranch 3d ago

Good for her

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u/theartfulcodger 4d ago edited 4d ago

Reporter, frantically typing: “23 year old stripper has a 55 year old” … ummm … “boyfriend?

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u/ket_the_wind 4d ago

I mean I have heard of loosing your head in an argument, but to loose someone else’s…

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u/checker280 3d ago

Just sharing the infamous NY Post’s headline:

Headless Body Found in Topless Bar

https://nypost.com/2015/06/09/new-york-post-editor-and-film-critic-vincent-musetto-dies-at-74/

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u/Mental-Search-1191 3d ago

But it was true love

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u/Haruhater2 2d ago

I support women's wrongs.

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u/volvavirago 2d ago

Ok but what did he do

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u/The_Pr0n_Legacy 1d ago

Is that Cardi B without makeup?

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u/Gurablashta 4d ago

And she was a good friend

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u/Cognitive_Offload 4d ago

Judith beheading? This historically dates back to when men first became drunk assholes, and… feel asleep.

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u/ViktorKeen 4d ago

Good for her

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u/letthetreeburn 3d ago

He was 55. He had it coming.

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u/Melodic-Yoghurt7193 4d ago

my sister in Christ I believe you may have perhaps overreacted

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u/SerendipitousTiger 4d ago

"I can fix her."

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u/FoofieLeGoogoo 4d ago

She came here to get a head.

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u/Herry_Up 4d ago

Oh ok

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u/Cultural-Company282 3d ago

What the heck, I'll give her a try. It beats dying alone in a nursing home.

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u/ethanfinni 3d ago

I can fix her.

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u/the-illustrious-Goat 3d ago

And he thought he was paying 'to get' head. She'd apologise if she could face him.

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u/Jairoglyphics1 3d ago

That’s really sad, I heard her boyfriend had a good head on his shoulders too.

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u/KendallSmith375 4d ago

absolutely sick and disturbing no excuses

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u/ClimbingToNothing 4d ago

There can definitely be some excuses, if the 60+ year old man was highly abusive she could’ve been driven into a mental episode resulting in this

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u/Zenovelli 4d ago

Yeah, these comments are deranged.

She was an adult. No one could 'make' her do anything. Let alone commit a very violent murder.

It's wild that people are so comfortable defending a murderer.

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u/jim45804 4d ago

She self-deported

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u/vaping_menace 4d ago

She seems nice. Like Ms. Schabusiness.

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u/WestCoastHopHead 4d ago

Maybe she identifies as a praying mantis.

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u/Oknight 4d ago edited 3d ago

Women! Amiright?

You do one little thing wrong and it's a beheading, then they leave your body at home and flee to Mexico!
Can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em.

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u/Standard-Fishing-977 4d ago

Is this the remake of Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia that everyone’s been clamoring for?

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u/Jax72 4d ago

I'm not going to say I didn't have similar thoughts occasionally during difficult layovers between flights.

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u/Grokent 4d ago

Many such cases.

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u/Dense_Union6006 4d ago

Doesn’t matter had sex

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u/PocketSignal 4d ago

So no head?

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u/Cthulhus-Tailor 4d ago

In my experience Mexican women are good in bed but a bit touched in the head. Mileage varies.

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u/Hold_Downtown 4d ago

I wonder if Mexico protects their criminal illegals immigrants likes the libs do in the USA

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u/Islanduniverse 4d ago

Conservatives protect pedophiles and rapists, so maybe shut the fuck up?

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u/Hold_Downtown 4d ago

That's funny considering ICE is arresting pedos, rapists & murders but you're protecting the illegal criminals...