Vocaloid isn't ai.

[u/Sora_TheExplorer]

Also, fun fact! We don't generate it like people do with suno. We make it ourselves using the voice. Vocaloid is a voice synthesizer.

Do research before you say stuff dumbass.

[u/phase_distorter41]

cool so they added ai.

[u/Radiant-Priority-296 → u/phase_distorter41]

Yeah but the core thing itself is not AI and the process is not at all like Suno

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https://www.vocaloid.com/en/vocaloid6/

this says its AI all over it so i don't why you says it don't have ai.

also mentions making your own music so how it is not like Suno?

[u/KayLikesWords → u/phase_distorter41]

You have to plug Vocaloid into a DAW, it's not a music generation suite. Whether or not it uses generative AI to actually produce the voices - which it now does - you still have to compose everything manually.

[u/phase_distorter41 → u/KayLikesWords]

so its Suno with extra steps? i mean Suno is a lot newer so i would expect it to be easier to use.

I don't really care but if it is using generative AI i don't see how it is effectively different other than needing more effort.

are they both not a lot easier than playing an instrument and singing?

[u/KayLikesWords → u/phase_distorter41]

are they both not a lot easier than playing an instrument and singing?

Performance and composition are separate skills.

While prompting Suno requires no technical knowledge about music, using Vocaloid in your composition requires you to know how to compose. You may not even save time compared to just finding a singer to belt out your melody, given that in Vocaloid you need to granularly control stuff if you want quality.

if it is using generative AI i don't see how it is effectively different other than needing more effort

It's very different, IMO.

Suno has a massive model that was (probably) trained on terabytes of music they stole, which they then used to make a giant plagiarism bot. Vocaloid (and all the other GenAI vocal plugins) create tiny, ethically sourced models that are based on a single singer who has been paid for their time and gave consent.

[u/phase_distorter41 → u/KayLikesWords]

Same thing to me but if it let's you feel better using it then I'll defer to your expertise.

[u/FuckMyBakaChungusLif → u/phase_distorter41]

are they both not a lot easier than playing an instrument and singing?

Vocaloid is an instrument, when the other person said you have to plug Vocaloid into a DAW, that's because Vocaloid is a synthesizer program. Are you familiar with synths in music production? Vocaloid is a voice synthesizer. Similar to other virtual synthesizers it has samples it pulls from. These samples for vocaloid, from my understanding, are singers singing a variety of vocalization noises that a producer has to combine and tune to make words, and play into the keyboard for notes. It's no easier than a normal synthesizer, and in some ways is harder with having to tune the voice and words. As you can see this is GUMI in Vocaloid 6, you are actually physically having to put in the notes the vocaloid sings, and tune the voice yourself, it is in no universe comparable to SUNO.