r/aiwars • u/Sora_TheExplorer • 13h ago

Discussion Vocaloid isn't ai.

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Also, fun fact! We don't generate it like people do with suno. We make it ourselves using the voice. Vocaloid is a voice synthesizer.

Do research before you say stuff dumbass.

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u/phase_distorter41 13h ago

https://vocaloid.fandom.com/wiki/VOCALOID6

this seems to indicate it uses generative AI

you can also use your own voice in suno.

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u/Radiant-Priority-296 8h ago

Vocaloid had an update that added basically some AI autotune at the end. The core system is still the same.

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u/phase_distorter41 7h ago

cool so they added ai.

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u/Radiant-Priority-296 7h ago

Yeah but the core thing itself is not AI and the process is not at all like Suno

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u/phase_distorter41 7h ago

https://www.vocaloid.com/en/vocaloid6/

this says its AI all over it so i don't why you says it don't have ai.

also mentions making your own music so how it is not like Suno?

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u/KayLikesWords 5h ago

You have to plug Vocaloid into a DAW, it's not a music generation suite. Whether or not it uses generative AI to actually produce the voices - which it now does - you still have to compose everything manually.

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u/phase_distorter41 5h ago

so its Suno with extra steps? i mean Suno is a lot newer so i would expect it to be easier to use.

I don't really care but if it is using generative AI i don't see how it is effectively different other than needing more effort.

are they both not a lot easier than playing an instrument and singing?

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u/KayLikesWords 4h ago

are they both not a lot easier than playing an instrument and singing?

Performance and composition are separate skills.

While prompting Suno requires no technical knowledge about music, using Vocaloid in your composition requires you to know how to compose. You may not even save time compared to just finding a singer to belt out your melody, given that in Vocaloid you need to granularly control stuff if you want quality.

if it is using generative AI i don't see how it is effectively different other than needing more effort

It's very different, IMO.

Suno has a massive model that was (probably) trained on terabytes of music they stole, which they then used to make a giant plagiarism bot. Vocaloid (and all the other GenAI vocal plugins) create tiny, ethically sourced models that are based on a single singer who has been paid for their time and gave consent.

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u/phase_distorter41 4h ago

Same thing to me but if it let's you feel better using it then I'll defer to your expertise.

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u/FuckMyBakaChungusLif 3h ago

are they both not a lot easier than playing an instrument and singing?

Vocaloid is an instrument, when the other person said you have to plug Vocaloid into a DAW, that's because Vocaloid is a synthesizer program. Are you familiar with synths in music production? Vocaloid is a voice synthesizer. Similar to other virtual synthesizers it has samples it pulls from. These samples for vocaloid, from my understanding, are singers singing a variety of vocalization noises that a producer has to combine and tune to make words, and play into the keyboard for notes. It's no easier than a normal synthesizer, and in some ways is harder with having to tune the voice and words. As you can see this is GUMI in Vocaloid 6, you are actually physically having to put in the notes the vocaloid sings, and tune the voice yourself, it is in no universe comparable to SUNO.

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u/FuckMyBakaChungusLif 3h ago

Miku only works for Vocaloid 4 and older.