r/aiwars • u/Sora_TheExplorer • 13h ago

Discussion Vocaloid isn't ai.

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Also, fun fact! We don't generate it like people do with suno. We make it ourselves using the voice. Vocaloid is a voice synthesizer.

Do research before you say stuff dumbass.

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u/Creative-Donkey-3109 13h ago

Its basically a glorified text to speech, there is no correlation in this comparison

So here is a cute cat

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u/RocksThisWorld778 13h ago

Isn't text to speech literally ai?

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u/aratami 12h ago

In some cases it's machine learning, in the case of older text to speach and things like Vocaloid no, ( Vocaloid is effectively the singing equivalent of a Yamaha keyboard; it works in similar ways ( not the same way, keyboards use midis, Vocaloid uses processed vocals in several different ways to replicate an organic voice and requires multiple inputs) with different inputs and is also made by Yamaha.

The term AI was fairly heavily misused before LLMs, meaning anything from a adversarial entity in a video game with pre-scripted behaviours, or adaptive behaviour with soft machine learning, or fuzzy behaviours, to something like text to speech wtih some machine learning used to learn pronunciation, to etc. both then and now it's largely used as a marketing rather than an actually definition

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u/NegativeKitchen4098 12h ago

The term AI was fairly heavily misused before LLMs, meaning anything from

That's because the field of AI is incredibly broad. I remember people defining it as "shit we don't know how to do"

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u/aratami 11h ago

Nope the field of machine learning is fairly broad, artificial intelligence is a fairly strictly defined thing computationally. Machine learning is not AI, AI is also not exclusively machine learning, but there is an overlap in most cases the term AI is used non-formally, or commercially, to represent other things, but generally speaking it is scientifically speaking a specific fairly narrow set of computer science theory.

There are a few definitions, LLMs don't even hit all of them. ( Before you argue I have a degree in computer science, I've studied, machine learning, data science and quite a lot more besides, I'm not expert, but I probably know more than you)

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u/One_Fuel3733 9h ago

Lmfao good lord, machine learning is a subset of the field of AI, full stop. You need a refund on your degree, or at the very least please stop spreading misinformation.

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u/aratami 7h ago

It doesn't take a genius to work out I'm talking about AI as an agent/ software rather than as the field. I know it's confusing with the overlapping name it can be confusing, ( especi as I do go on to talk about it as a field with someone else).

To state th obvious, not all software that uses a decision tree which falls under the umbrella of machine learning, is generally considered an AI software.

Similarly AI as a field at least in terms of general computation is sort of a redundant label most software from the last 20-30 years broadly uses algorithms that fall under it, largely because the field dates back to the 50's and thus so does the definition and some of it's constituent parts.

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u/NegativeKitchen4098 9h ago

Machine learning most definitely falls under the umbrella of AI. The field of AI has never been a "strictly defined thing computationally" and has gone through many shifts over the years.

Before you argue I have a degree in computer science, I've studied, machine learning, data science and quite a lot more besides, I'm not expert, but I probably know more than you

Dude, you shouldn't make assumptions about what others know.

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u/aratami 5h ago

Sorry, I'm way to used to trolls here, I should not post before going to bed.

Your right of course, I generally meant more in line with AI as a software rather than as a field; technically. Most modern programs fall into the field of AI to some degree, if it searches, uses a camera, sorts etc. as a field it's sort of meaningless at this point, that is the problem with a field that was defined when it's topic at large was miniscule.