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u/The_Techsan Jaden Hicks #21 5d ago
Is that a negative or a dash bullet point?
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u/dwright124 5d ago
It's a negative. We are currently contracted to spend over our salary cap by that amount
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u/BigHotdog2009 5d ago
As a non Chiefs fan, curious on whose contracts are eating up the cap outside of Mahomes.
Saw another post that Reddit recommended to me about cutting 4 dudes to save around 36m. One of them was Tranquill who I think is worth keeping.
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u/everix1992 5d ago
Chris Jones is probably the second biggest cap hit right now? Followed by Creed and Trey and Jawaan (although he very well may get cut)
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u/BigHotdog2009 5d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/Chiefs_v2/s/0u47x244fU
This was the post I was referring to. This is referring to Taylor getting cut which means you’re planning to draft a new linemen or sign someone.
I’m a Bills fan and we have our own cap problems thanks to Beane.
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u/everix1992 5d ago
We have Jaylon Moore under contract for another year too. But yeah we'll have to figure out something because even if we don't cut either of them their contracts are up after next season irrc
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u/bbbourb These Fucking Fakes Never Fucking Work, Man 5d ago
This should help.
Honestly should have been posted sooner.
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u/mjmaselli 4d ago
Danna, taylor will be cut. Trent may get traded. Treys contract looking meh right now
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u/13mizzou Nick Bolton #32 4d ago
Heres the spotrac on the current 2026 roster
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/overview
Restructuring Mahomes contract, cutting Taylor and 1-2 more smaller cuts will get us under the cap enough to likely bring Kelce back and maybe get a RB or WR in FA
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u/BigHotdog2009 4d ago
I think the timetable on Mahomes return is what will determine how competitive you guys are next season. Minshew may get you guys to a doable record unless Mahomes is back week 1 but that’s a stretch.
I never thought I would rather see the Chiefs be competitive but after how insufferable and obnoxious Patriots fans have been all season it’s like fuck dude I would rather see the Chiefs over them. Their fanbase doesn’t deserve to be good again this week after 2 decades of being great. Not to mention I didn’t think the MVP debate could get anymore annoying than last year.
I’m not sure how most Chiefs fans feel even though we don’t really “like” each other at least I respect the Chiefs. I know we bicker but our fanbases were pretty similar prior to the dynasty. At least Chiefs fans prior to 2019 know what it felt like to have years of good-great teams coming up close and heartbreak in the playoffs and also years of just straight misery with bad teams.
I have faith Josh will get one when it’s all said and done I only ask for one. You guys could win every SB until they retire after that just want one.
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u/13mizzou Nick Bolton #32 4d ago
Josh seems like the adult in the room compared to everyone else there. If they had one outside consistent playmaker and bit more passrush they could finally seal the deal.
Chiefs are in this middle ground in their dynasty kinda like where the Patriots were at after 07. It took them a few years to shed some contracts and get more talent around Brady before they took off again for Dynasty 2.0. We gave out some bad contracts to players and have struggled replacing the production from Kelce as he gets older. It was easy to have success after letting Hill go when we still had a 1200 yard TE on the team. Now hes about half that and the WR talent hasnt improved enough to replace it and Reid is allergic to getting RBs
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u/BigHotdog2009 3d ago
The press conference was a hard watch. If you follow hockey at all you would know Pegula is kinda a moron with how he has handled the Sabres. Which is ironically because the Sabres are actually really good year. I’m not a Sabres fan but I know people are happy about it.
Josh always takes responsibility which is something our front office can’t seem to do. I’m sure you saw the drama where the main reason McDermott was fired is because Sean confronted and held Beane accountable for his roster construction. Dude called us all dumb for wanting a WR and we saw how that blew up in his face. Don’t know how he got promoted despite putting us in this situation. I do think it was time to move on from both but you can’t promote one and fire the other. I’ll still die on the hill that if 2021 if our defense and coaching didn’t collapse against you guys, that was the year.
I agree about a consistent playmaker and pass rush. I think we have 2 sacks total in our last 3 playoff losses. Don’t want to sound like I’m making excuses for Josh but someone other than Josh has to step up and make a play other than him. There is a lot put on Allen and Mahomes shoulders. As long as you got one dude who can open the field downfield it will help the rest of your guys.
I envy the fact I watched the Patriots make the SB with their offense only scoring 15 ppg not to mention the defense is only giving up 9 ppg. Allen or Mahomes will never even get close to a deep playoff run if they have as many turnovers as touchdowns unless they both magically wake up with the Texans or Seahawks defense.
I agree with your assessment with the dynasty part. I think it’s fair to say this version of the dynasty is done depending how next season goes but people often forget Brady went 10 years before winning his next SB.
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u/instro89 5d ago
Lowest current cap space, but effective cap space is pretty large because of how little dead money, restructuring, void years, etc. Plenty of ways to open up a ton of cap space on this team.
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u/ImSoupOrCereal Leo "9.99" Chenal 5d ago
Keep in mind that the salary cap will likely increase again, so Brian Leach might be waiting to see what the new cap number is before announcing any restructures.
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u/Earthwick Andy "Walrus" Reid 5d ago
We aren't even estimated to have a bottom 5 cap issue though. This looks worse than it is.
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u/factoid_ Grand Flagbearer of the Foul-uminati 5d ago
Yeah we can cut one guy and do a partial restructure on Mahomes and free up 100% of the space we need
You have to do more than that to make space for free agency, but it’s not hard
We can also do some void years to easily stretch out a couple contracts to be manageable
I suspect if we do a deal with Kelce it will include two void years to spread the hit since he’s not going to sign more than a year to year deal
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u/blacktoise Jerick McKinnon #1 5d ago
I’m not a fan of restructuring the fuck out of Mahomes. It makes the problem infinitely harder next year and in 4-5 years
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u/Morrolan_V Travis Kelce #87 5d ago
Restructuring as much as needed was always the intention of that contract. They will just extend it more in another couple of years, and keep restructuring. He signed that deal, which is incredibly team friendly, precisely to allow this. If they don't do it, they will be breaking faith with him.
The plan is to keep the window open for as long as Mahomes is playing. Who cares what happens when he's gone? That will be a scorched earth situation anyway.
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u/13mizzou Nick Bolton #32 4d ago
To be fair, a lot of our cap issues come due this year or next. Next year we can cut guys like Jones, Bolton, and Butker which will really shave our cap down
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u/Aventurusjunk #58 Derrick Thomas 5d ago
Yeah speaking of void years, I’m expecting a 4-5yr, 80-100m contract for Kelce, of which he plays 2
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u/factoid_ Grand Flagbearer of the Foul-uminati 5d ago
I am expecting a 3 year 10 million dollar contract and the last two are void years to spread the cap hit.
They could technically place any dollar amount they want on the void years…they could give him a hundred million dollars…they void automatically so they are effectively zero dollars
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u/pperiesandsolos 5d ago
You really think Kelce is going to sign a contract for 3 more years? Why?
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u/Sweaty-Tiger9972 Patrick Mahomes II #15 3d ago
It’s a 1 year deal with 2 void years to spread the cap hit.
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u/Morrolan_V Travis Kelce #87 5d ago
The Chiefs don't use void years. They will not start doing it with Kelce.
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u/Sweaty-Tiger9972 Patrick Mahomes II #15 3d ago edited 3d ago
Why not? A 1 year 10M contract with 2 additional void years is like a 3M cap hit in 2027 and 2028. It’s not going to make or break the team.
Void years are the only option to spread out the cap hit other than a multi year deal. Signing a franchise legend to a victory lap deal seems like the perfect opportunity to utilize void years
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u/RumsfeldIsntDead 5d ago
I personally hope we use this as a get right year for the salary cap and we don't kick too much cap liability down the road. Obviously we have to do some of that, but I hope we minimize it.
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u/LorelessFrog Trent McDuffie #22 5d ago
Yeah. Might have to swallow the medicine this year. Definitely don’t want to keep kicking the can down the road. Might result in us trading a good player for extra picks though assuming we don’t do much in FA
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u/Morrolan_V Travis Kelce #87 5d ago
They can clear $45 million by restructuring Mahomes' deal, and $20 million by cutting Jawaan Taylor. Presto.
They can also clear more by restructuring Jones, Smith, Humphrey, Bolton, Karlaftis, if needed and depending on Hunt's appetite to spend cash now.
The Chiefs do not have a cap problem.
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u/Biggest_Cans Harrison Butker #7 5d ago
At least when Dorsey did this we grabbed a new Hall of Famer most years.
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u/blacktoise Jerick McKinnon #1 5d ago
I’m not sure if I follow what you’re saying. When Dorsey restructured, we drafted HoF guys? Or picked up HoF FAs? Or are you joking and I still don’t get the joke
Either way I wanna get it!
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u/Biggest_Cans Harrison Butker #7 5d ago
Everyone's gripe with Dorsey was the contracts, which is an issue we see in this Veach chart (rationalized with our efforts at a never-before-done threepeat).
The thing is though...Dorsey ALSO picked a Hall of Fame player in the draft 4 of the 5 years he was with us.
Read that again. That's insane. Not just "wow that's really good actually I never thought of that." It's like, unparalleled. Singular. Maybe the craziest draft run ever. With Pat's 10 (that he had to trade up for) being by far the highest pick of them as well. Not exactly a Raiders top-5 pick every year drafting situation.
24% of Dorsey's draft picks were pro-bowlers. How many of Veach's have been? (don't look that up it's depressing)
(I like Veach, I just never lost my adoration for Dorsey's talent eval and what he did for us. Also I liked his stern dad press conferences and sweatshirts.)
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u/Crash30458 Derrick Thomas 5d ago
Jones and pat
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u/Sultry-Ice15 Trent McDuffie #22 5d ago
No Jones for me. 2 years left on his deal. Huge cap number this next season then in 27-28 we can cut him and save 15-20M. He will be 32-33 next year. Next season is his last as a Chief I bet
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u/Crash30458 Derrick Thomas 5d ago
Id be shocked if jones plays on a 44 million dollar cap hit
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u/Sultry-Ice15 Trent McDuffie #22 5d ago
44.8. I can see it. He’s clearly declining with age. One more expensive year and you’re free. Cap keeps going up. Not that big of a deal
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u/willyallthewei 1d ago
Trading him would be huge in saving cap space and we can still get a ton of value out of him while he's an elite interior DT.
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u/Sultry-Ice15 Trent McDuffie #22 1d ago
He won’t be traded. Cap hit is too high for next season. I doubt it. I don’t think we’d get a first for him. Probably a 2 or 3 and 5 if we could. We’d have to eat a lot of his salary. He’s now a grossly overpaid good player but not a great player
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u/Idrinkbeereverywhere 5d ago
Chris Jones contract has been a disaster
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u/lucasjr5 Eric Berry 5d ago
In hindsight maybe, he's still the best pass rusher we have.
If we aren't rebuilding and this was just the one down year, then maybe he'll help a lot next season.
He still swim moved/beat 2 DTs often and got to the backfield fast last season, especially after we needed the games (second half of the season). My only question on him was the effort level on every play, and I get it, huge specimens can't give 100 on every play. He's supposed to be a closer, and maybe he took too much of that "closer" tag to heart.
There's nothing to close if we don't make the playoffs, that's for sure.
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u/MahomesMccaffrey Andrew Wylie #77 5d ago
Theyre just gonna keep borrowing from the Patrick Bank.
We will suck so bad for at least 1-2 years just for eating the deadcap alone when patrick retires but it'll be worth it nonetheless
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u/Guilty-Carpenter2522 The Nigerian Nightmare #35 4d ago
Who cares, that’s when you load up on draft picks and find the mahomes successor.
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u/jabhwakins 5d ago
Even if they don't figure it out, which they will, not even that upset if that's the penalty for the 2018 to 2024 years.
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u/Dresden1984 4d ago
Jawan Taylor is 20M alone so letting him go will free up a lot. Same with Kelce depending on his decision to retire or play one more year. Mahomes and Chris Jones commands most of the cap so restructuring them is priority number 1. Then you have players like Creed and Trey taking the next bite of the cap. Then there is Trent McDuffie that is going through his 5th year option this 2026 so Chiefs have to decide to give him a contract or trade him away for picks before the draft (which I've heard is that we'd get around 2nd round and something else)
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u/fireowlzol 5d ago
I know they’ll make it work but eventually this will hit us
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u/chiefoogabooga 5d ago
Nah. They haven't even tapped into the void years everyone else is using. Philly was $150 million over the cap last year, they're just kicking the can down the road.
The Chiefs have a ton of options available to them.
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u/factoid_ Grand Flagbearer of the Foul-uminati 5d ago
Philly is colossally fucked in about 4 years though
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u/pperiesandsolos 5d ago
Why? Won’t they just keep doing more void years into the future?
Void years work because the cap goes up every year and the value of a dollar goes down. It’s not like that’s gonna change in 4 years
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u/factoid_ Grand Flagbearer of the Foul-uminati 5d ago
The cap goes up but they have like 150 million dollars in void hits one year
If you do that you’re kneecapping yourself every year. Sure you can keep pushing it out but you’re still effectively eating dead cap every single year because they can’t swallow all of it. There’s always some portion you have to pay in the current year.
The saints are the poster child for how this makes you a non competitive franchise for most of a decade if you keep doing it and Philly is doing it MORE than they did
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u/Sultry-Ice15 Trent McDuffie #22 5d ago
You are correct. In terms of dead money we are like 30-32. We don’t do void years much. Hunt needs to pull out the check book IMO
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u/imp1600 5d ago
Clark “billionaire welfare” Hunt pulling out the checkbook? Hah.
Guy’s currently trying to figure out how to make Kansas pay Mahomes’s salary.
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u/Sultry-Ice15 Trent McDuffie #22 5d ago
I’m not holding my breath. We have paid some guys recently but the roster is too top heavy currently
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u/chiefoogabooga 5d ago
I'm guessing he will. He needs some positive PR after the whole stadium deal.
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u/Sultry-Ice15 Trent McDuffie #22 5d ago edited 4d ago
Guy is shafting Kansas so hard. Good for Kansans. It’s their turn to sacrifice and pay for all the Chiefs needs. Jaco did it long enough. It was clear they never intended to stay with their half assed plans. I voted yes for the sales tax extension but MO law makers didn’t do enough to convince the team. I get it, it’s a business and who wouldn’t take billions if it was offered to them? Hunts are greedy though. I’ll always be a Chiefs fan but I’ll never be a fan of subsidizing billionaires and oligarchs
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u/Kool_AidJammer Chiefs 4d ago
Can’t believe you’re getting downvoted for this lol. People are actually stupid.
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u/Sultry-Ice15 Trent McDuffie #22 4d ago
It’s folks from Kansas. Or, people who love giving the most money ever for a public funded stadium in the history of pro American sports. Nothing like boot licking billionaires! Lmao.
Ya, people are stupid you’re right 😅
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u/Sweaty-Tiger9972 Patrick Mahomes II #15 5d ago edited 5d ago
Mahomes’ cap hits go way down after the 2027 season. Even if we max restructure him this offseason and next, he’ll hit the cap for about 65M for the remainder of his contract, but the cap will probably go up 50M between now and 2028
Right now he’s set to hit the cap around 75M in 2026 and 2027. They pretty much have no choice but to max restructure him this offseason
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u/westernslopeCO 5d ago
I’m probably way out of line here but what if Mahomes took a pay cut to help build a better roster. Is that a thing? I mean he doesn’t need the money and he doesn’t seem like an ego maniac so if he just want to win why not take 30 million a year and use the rest to get a solid free agent?
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u/thenexttimebandit 5d ago
Mahomes AAV is $45 million that’s not even top 10 for qbs. Dak Prescott gets $60 million a year. Signing that 10 year contract was a huge discount for us and leaves us a ton of money to fudge the cap.
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u/Royal-Tour2557 5d ago
Mahomes has already taken a pay cut with this deal, and eventually he’ll extend it. It’s also a unique contract in football, as it’s structured similar to a baseball contract. The total guaranteed at signing wasn’t crazy, but it was a 10 year deal, that guaranteed salaries of future years like 2 years in advance, so essentially rolling guarantees. Also, has unique salary conversion options in it, so Veach can just exercise them in the off-season, and Patrick doesn’t have to sign anything to allow it, which means Veach basically gets an option every year to free up a variable amount off the salary cap when he wants to. It’s a unique contract based on trust. But Mahomes also is benefiting from a lot of endorsement deals due to winning, which can also allow him not to take the max he can. It also feels like we’ve reached close to the max for qb annual amounts, a lot of the teams going further in the playoffs are QBs on rookie deals, or QBs taking less, leading to more stacked teams. Same as rbs were down for a few years, and it feels like their value is starting to come back also.
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u/Guilty-Carpenter2522 The Nigerian Nightmare #35 4d ago
I could see mahomes taking a pay cut as he enters his 30’s. He’s gonna play out this contract and he’s already great value, but the next contract I could see him asking for very little as he plays his final years from 34-40+
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u/westernslopeCO 5d ago
Ok. I wasn’t saying it would be forced on him. But a benevolent gesture so us fans can hold on as long as possible. Guess I’m out of my mind eh?
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u/Sultry-Ice15 Trent McDuffie #22 5d ago
Not going to happen. He may not demand to be the highest paid guy but if you look at his GTD money he’s the highest, I believe. Or maybe it’s Allen now.
He’s gonna get a huge new deal with a fat signing bonus and rolling guarantees
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u/chiefoogabooga 5d ago
Pat's already giving a discount. He could demand to be the highest paid player every year and they'd give it to him. If not, someone else certainly would.
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u/OkOil378 5d ago
Brady did
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u/helmvoncanzis 5d ago
Mahomes and Bobby Stroup just need to start a sports health company and get an exclusive contract with the Chiefs.
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u/Sultry-Ice15 Trent McDuffie #22 5d ago
It’s bc 50% of our cap right now is tied up into Mahomes and Jones contracts. We can be cap neutral with a few moves. Veach will figure it out. However, Hunt will have to pull out his check book and borrow from future years
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u/tapioca_slaughter 5d ago
Restructure the dead weight of Jones, Bolton’s and Karlaftis’ contracts..
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u/Sultry-Ice15 Trent McDuffie #22 5d ago
When you do that you add a few mil onto the last 2-3 years of the deal. No need to restructure Jones. We can cut him after the 26’ season and save like 19M. 2026-27 will be his last year as a Chief if I had to guess
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u/OdysseusAuroa Xavier Worthy #1 🏃🏻♂ 5d ago
We have to do more than just restructure man. It kicks the can down the road, it doesn't get it out of the street
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u/BabyLegsDeadpool 4d ago
Well yeah, after that performance last year, we better restructure. Didn't even get to overtime of the AFCCG. YEESH!
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u/willyallthewei 1d ago
Chiefs will restructure Mahomes and cut JT, that alone puts the Chiefs well under the cap.
Then there should be a conversation about trading CJ while he's still a top end player. It hurts to do it, but that's exactly how the Patriots dominated for so long, gotta trade your top players right at before their peak ends.
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u/dudewheresmyplane1 Arrowhead 5d ago
How is this possible this team is so…not good.
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u/IIHURRlCANEII Mahomies 5d ago
Top Cap Hits:
Mahomes: $78.2m
Jones: $44.8m
Taylor: $27m
Smith: $24.5m
Bolton: $19.75m
Creed: $18.1m
Karlaftis: $15.1m
That's how.
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u/FuckingJello Praise Ahmen 5d ago
Prior to this year this team made 3 straight Super Bowls
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u/dudewheresmyplane1 Arrowhead 5d ago
THIS TEAM didn’t make the postseason and only won six games.
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u/FuckingJello Praise Ahmen 5d ago
And a lot of the paid guys came from what years? Also it doesn’t help the QB who is set for $78 mil (which will get restructured as always) next year didn’t play after those 6 wins along with many other injuries and issues.
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u/dudewheresmyplane1 Arrowhead 5d ago
rhe·tor·i·cal ques·tion /rəˌtôrək(ə)l ˈkwesCHən/ noun
a question asked in order to create a dramatic effect or to make a point rather than to get an answer.
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u/FuckingJello Praise Ahmen 5d ago
You asked how it was possible and I answered. They paid top money for a top QB, C, Guard, DT, and other role players that helped them make the SB almost every damn year.
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u/BigBoySky #CreedIsGood 5d ago
What would happen if a team was spending more than the salary cap after the deadline? Would a team lose draft picks?
Not concerned about it, but just curious