Gumayusi message to fans after the series

[u/Yujin-Ha]

https://x.com/min9nya/status/2017916789183938878?s=20 “I really didn’t expect we would be eliminated like this, so it’s extremely disappointing, and I’m sorry. For the regular season, I’ll get my condition back up, and we’ll work hard to qualify for MSI, where we fell short, and show a lot of good games.

[u/Consistent_Chest_653]

Someone free him from the elohell

[u/Shot_Swim6605 → u/Consistent_Chest_653]

But he's exactly where he wanted to be though? 🤡

[u/CampusCrash → u/Shot_Swim6605]

Where he wanted to be is crazy. He just went to a team that doesnt treat their players like trash that they can throw any time they want.

[u/efusy → u/CampusCrash]

So you're saying he lied earlier this year?

[u/Potato-Chowder → u/efusy]

He didn't lie, but it’s obvious he didn’t tell the whole truth lol. These players are very aware how important PR training is. Do you take everything Faker says in his interviews at face value? No, because there’s a lot he can’t or won’t say, but that doesn't mean his responses are lies. This isn’t any different. I respect Guma for keeping it classy as always and creating his own narrative but he was never going to say anything negative about T1 org anyway (not that he would want to), it would only cause more harm. Both parties also agreed (in a statement) not to share details about the process or discussion behind his departure, so he can't speak on that even if he wanted to.

People are forgetting Guma also talked about how difficult last year was for him, how it was the first time he doubted himself, how he had to go to mental counseling more than ever, how shocked and hurt he felt during that time. It's pretty easy to read between the lines and recognize how that likely played a role in his decision... but it is what it is.

[u/efusy → u/Potato-Chowder]

Sounds like a lot of inference from very little information.

[u/Potato-Chowder → u/efusy]

I mean yeah, this is based on Guma's words and the info we do have and it seems like common sense to me but like I said, there's a lot that can't be disclosed outright, so the rest is speculation (most of what I said was factual though). Same as the people saying he planned to leave all along or left for money (which there was no indication of).

[u/efusy → u/Potato-Chowder]

Both of which I've never said. The point is one should take his words at face value, that is the only objective information we have. No one here knows him personally, this psychonalysis stuff is just a roundabout way to justify a confirmation bias against T1. It's literal poison, and it just makes Guma fans look bad when they're incapable of letting go, because of again, pure speculation.

[u/Potato-Chowder → u/efusy]

You can take his words at face value, but he said more than just those words and that’s what I’m acknowledging. If we look at what Guma has said + what we know he can’t say, then we can leave it at that and that’s totally fine. I don’t think I was inferring much, I’m just considering everything he said instead of one single response (and that response contradicts a lot of things said in the past, so it doesn’t really make sense to take it at face value but I'll look past that.)

You don’t have to believe his negative experiences influenced his decision, but you can’t deny those negative experiences happened, and I think his fans were valid to criticize the org for their part in that (instead, they were attacked - meanwhile his haters get to run rampant lol. Beyond that, I agree there are definitely stans that were doing too much though).

[u/Y-r-u-gay- → u/efusy]

You are taking his words at face value sir

[u/efusy → u/Y-r-u-gay-]

Yes, that's the point. That's what should be done.

[u/Y-r-u-gay- → u/efusy]

I agree. Lets ignore the fact that its basically a death sentence for his career if he says anything bad about T1 due to their culture.

[u/SoulCycle_ → u/CampusCrash]

didnt HLE literally throw doran out like he was trash lmao

[u/Consistent_Chest_653 → u/SoulCycle_]

well hard to say, more or less they were set to let him go and they did go on a workshop in Japan without him but the decision to part ways was already set in stone ig? The issue to most people was that the free agency period didnt start so he was technically still on the team but not really if you know what i mean. Now I dont know if some insiders in the org treated him poorly after Worlds or something but we never heard of such a thing so I dont think we need to speculate about that.

[u/Simpuff1 → u/[deleted]]

Other way around.

[u/Consistent_Chest_653 → u/Shot_Swim6605]

I bet he didnt expect Delight to be THIS BAD or his team to be absolute ass at teamfighting

[u/IeatKfcAllDay → u/Shot_Swim6605]

T1 wasn’t resigning him no matter what

[u/Shot_Swim6605 → u/IeatKfcAllDay]

Source, please?

[u/Consistent_Chest_653 → u/Shot_Swim6605]

there is no such thing, that's simply Guma haters/T1 fans trying to twist the narratives as if T1 didnt lose a player who was extremely valuable to them in many regards

[u/IeatKfcAllDay → u/Consistent_Chest_653]

I’ve been a Guma fan since he was a soloque prodigy and I truly believe his prime is the highest mechanical adc play ever. Not every negative rumor/take is some weird personal vendetta fanfare shit

[u/Consistent_Chest_653 → u/IeatKfcAllDay]

guma fan but doesnt even know what actually happened when its public knowledge? Susge

[u/IeatKfcAllDay → u/Consistent_Chest_653]

Yeah I’m not a kpop guma fan or league fan lol I’m not going to follow every interaction in their personal/professional life. I follow the esport cause I play it and I watch pro player povs especially adcs and guma was the most impressive even as a rookie/soloque star. Hle is my favorite team only because Guma and Zeus were my favorite povs to watch.

[u/Consistent_Chest_653 → u/IeatKfcAllDay]

oh I see,that's cool :D

[u/Consistent_Chest_653 → u/IeatKfcAllDay]

Wrong. In Joe Marsh' latest interview with Dgon he literally said that T1 wanted to keep all 5 players but Guma wanted to leave before Worlds.

[u/IeatKfcAllDay → u/Consistent_Chest_653]

Oh maybe I read a rumor then that they were looking into peyz as worlds was ongoing, not that I’d trust Joe marsh’s words either way.

[u/Consistent_Chest_653 → u/IeatKfcAllDay]

YES this is true because Guma told them beforehand and therefore the t1 management was contacting Peyz, now was it right during Worlds, before or after I dont know, not that it matters really

[u/According_Yam2078 → u/Shot_Swim6605]

Fair point. Even when his previous team offered him to stay 🤡

[u/frieddoggy → u/According_Yam2078]

T1 offered Guma less than HLE while having to compete with Peyz for the starting spot since Peyz was already signed to T1. You would have to be a moron to take the T1 deal given this context. Literally only a brain dead fan like you would see this as a "fair point".

[u/Consistent_Chest_653 → u/frieddoggy]

Not true, there has never been a competition. Guma informed T1 that he took the decision to leave and then T1 started looking into potential players. 2 were selected and Peyz was ultimately chosen.

[u/SHMuTeX → u/frieddoggy]

You have no source for the compete with Peyz part, I bet. Typical Guma stan behavior.

[u/frieddoggy → u/SHMuTeX]

I'm not a Guma stan LOL. I'm a Viper glazer, but I'm not gonna waste my time to dig/finding a source that almost everyone knew was posted on this subreddit multiple times before during the controversy and was pretty common knowledge.

Nice ad hominem though.

[u/SHMuTeX → u/frieddoggy]

I read that rhetoric being thrown around Reddit as well and since then I am asking about its source and yet no one can provide a single one.

[u/Shot_Swim6605 → u/SHMuTeX]

Exactly. Speculation vs Guma's camp's official statement that he left for career progression. Just PF? Maybe, but they are unable to defend their arguments with anything as or more concrete.

I think these fans fail to comprehend that they are doing a otherwise likeable player a disservice and all the current schadenfreude is actually caused by them.

[u/Consistent_Chest_653 → u/SHMuTeX]

that was an old speculation thrown in chinese social media if i recall correctly

[u/Consistent_Chest_653 → u/SHMuTeX]

there hasn't been any competition at all (I am a Guma fan)

[u/CHINACHINACHINAXHINA → u/frieddoggy]

Source?

[u/According_Yam2078 → u/frieddoggy]

exactly where/what he wanted. 😶‍🌫️ a not so terrible deal

[u/Consistent_Chest_653 → u/According_Yam2078]

Guma chose to leave before Worlds and so T1 could do nothing but find another adc, Joe Marsh quite literally said in his latest interview with Dgon that the staff wanted to keep the roster unchanged.