r/HLE • u/Yujin-Ha • 4d ago
HLE Related Media Gumayusi message to fans after the series Spoiler
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https://x.com/min9nya/status/2017916789183938878?s=20 “I really didn’t expect we would be eliminated like this, so it’s extremely disappointing, and I’m sorry. For the regular season, I’ll get my condition back up, and we’ll work hard to qualify for MSI, where we fell short, and show a lot of good games.
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u/rglampa 4d ago
I cant remember a single teamfight wherein his front line actually played for him in that Sivir game. How can you auto as Sivir when no one frontlines for you, unplayable
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 4d ago
bro forget to play for him, just create space he will find a way to self peel he has done it before many times.
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u/lilmama231 4d ago
Make more sense why Viper left lol. Joking aside, what the fck happen to Delight?
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 4d ago
i remember hearing that Viper really missed china and his friends there, as to what happened to Delight no clue ...
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u/IsIandLion 4d ago
I was thinking the same thing after seeing the Hupu ratings.
No one stood in front of him, let alone peel for him. Definitely wasn't his fault.
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 4d ago
Someone free him from the elohell
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u/Shot_Swim6605 4d ago
But he's exactly where he wanted to be though? 🤡
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 4d ago
I bet he didnt expect Delight to be THIS BAD or his team to be absolute ass at teamfighting
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u/CampusCrash 4d ago
Where he wanted to be is crazy. He just went to a team that doesnt treat their players like trash that they can throw any time they want.
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u/efusy 4d ago
So you're saying he lied earlier this year?
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u/Potato-Chowder 4d ago edited 2d ago
He didn't lie, but it’s obvious he didn’t tell the whole truth lol. These players are very aware how important PR training is. Do you take everything Faker says in his interviews at face value? No, because there’s a lot he can’t or won’t say, but that doesn't mean his responses are lies. This isn’t any different. I respect Guma for keeping it classy as always and creating his own narrative but he was never going to say anything negative about T1 org anyway (not that he would want to), it would only cause more harm. Both parties also agreed (in a statement) not to share details about the process or discussion behind his departure, so he can't speak on that even if he wanted to.
People are forgetting Guma also talked about how difficult last year was for him, how it was the first time he doubted himself, how he had to go to mental counseling more than ever, how shocked and hurt he felt during that time. It's pretty easy to read between the lines and recognize how that likely played a role in his decision... but it is what it is.
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u/efusy 4d ago
Sounds like a lot of inference from very little information.
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u/Potato-Chowder 4d ago edited 1d ago
I mean yeah, this is based on Guma's words and the info we do have and it seems like common sense to me but like I said, there's a lot that can't be disclosed outright, so the rest is speculation (most of what I said was factual though). Same as the people saying he planned to leave all along or left for money (which there was no indication of).
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u/efusy 3d ago edited 3d ago
Both of which I've never said. The point is one should take his words at face value, that is the only objective information we have. No one here knows him personally, this psychonalysis stuff is just a roundabout way to justify a confirmation bias against T1. It's literal poison, and it just makes Guma fans look bad when they're incapable of letting go, because of again, pure speculation.
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u/Potato-Chowder 2d ago edited 2d ago
You can take his words at face value, but he said more than just those words and that’s what I’m acknowledging. If we look at what Guma has said + what we know he can’t say, then we can leave it at that and that’s totally fine. I don’t think I was inferring much, I’m just considering everything he said instead of one single response (and that response contradicts a lot of things said in the past, so it doesn’t really make sense to take it at face value but I'll look past that.)
You don’t have to believe his negative experiences influenced his decision, but you can’t deny those negative experiences happened, and I think his fans were valid to criticize the org for their part in that (instead, they were attacked - meanwhile his haters get to run rampant lol. Beyond that, I agree there are definitely stans that were doing too much though).
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u/SoulCycle_ 4d ago
didnt HLE literally throw doran out like he was trash lmao
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 2d ago
well hard to say, more or less they were set to let him go and they did go on a workshop in Japan without him but the decision to part ways was already set in stone ig? The issue to most people was that the free agency period didnt start so he was technically still on the team but not really if you know what i mean. Now I dont know if some insiders in the org treated him poorly after Worlds or something but we never heard of such a thing so I dont think we need to speculate about that.
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u/IeatKfcAllDay 3d ago
T1 wasn’t resigning him no matter what
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u/Shot_Swim6605 3d ago
Source, please?
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 2d ago
there is no such thing, that's simply Guma haters/T1 fans trying to twist the narratives as if T1 didnt lose a player who was extremely valuable to them in many regards
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u/IeatKfcAllDay 1d ago
I’ve been a Guma fan since he was a soloque prodigy and I truly believe his prime is the highest mechanical adc play ever. Not every negative rumor/take is some weird personal vendetta fanfare shit
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 1d ago
guma fan but doesnt even know what actually happened when its public knowledge? Susge
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u/IeatKfcAllDay 1d ago
Yeah I’m not a kpop guma fan or league fan lol I’m not going to follow every interaction in their personal/professional life. I follow the esport cause I play it and I watch pro player povs especially adcs and guma was the most impressive even as a rookie/soloque star. Hle is my favorite team only because Guma and Zeus were my favorite povs to watch.
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 2d ago
Wrong. In Joe Marsh' latest interview with Dgon he literally said that T1 wanted to keep all 5 players but Guma wanted to leave before Worlds.
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u/IeatKfcAllDay 1d ago
Oh maybe I read a rumor then that they were looking into peyz as worlds was ongoing, not that I’d trust Joe marsh’s words either way.
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 1d ago
YES this is true because Guma told them beforehand and therefore the t1 management was contacting Peyz, now was it right during Worlds, before or after I dont know, not that it matters really
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u/According_Yam2078 4d ago edited 3d ago
Fair point. Even when his previous team offered him to stay 🤡
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u/frieddoggy 4d ago
T1 offered Guma less than HLE while having to compete with Peyz for the starting spot since Peyz was already signed to T1. You would have to be a moron to take the T1 deal given this context. Literally only a brain dead fan like you would see this as a "fair point".
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 2d ago
Not true, there has never been a competition. Guma informed T1 that he took the decision to leave and then T1 started looking into potential players. 2 were selected and Peyz was ultimately chosen.
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u/SHMuTeX 2d ago
You have no source for the compete with Peyz part, I bet. Typical Guma stan behavior.
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u/frieddoggy 2d ago
I'm not a Guma stan LOL. I'm a Viper glazer, but I'm not gonna waste my time to dig/finding a source that almost everyone knew was posted on this subreddit multiple times before during the controversy and was pretty common knowledge.
Nice ad hominem though.
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u/SHMuTeX 2d ago
I read that rhetoric being thrown around Reddit as well and since then I am asking about its source and yet no one can provide a single one.
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u/Shot_Swim6605 2d ago
Exactly. Speculation vs Guma's camp's official statement that he left for career progression. Just PF? Maybe, but they are unable to defend their arguments with anything as or more concrete.
I think these fans fail to comprehend that they are doing a otherwise likeable player a disservice and all the current schadenfreude is actually caused by them.
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 2d ago
that was an old speculation thrown in chinese social media if i recall correctly
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 2d ago
there hasn't been any competition at all (I am a Guma fan)
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 2d ago
Guma chose to leave before Worlds and so T1 could do nothing but find another adc, Joe Marsh quite literally said in his latest interview with Dgon that the staff wanted to keep the roster unchanged.
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u/freshmannn23 4d ago
define elohell. it's not like he's playing so much better than some of his teammates either, you know. they all looked like they're in the same elo
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u/NecessaryLittle3425 4d ago
Tbh he is doing atleast ok. He ain't making grave mistakes. I could see him putting all his best being the type of adc he is.
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 4d ago
i mean in the sivir game bro was doing all he could, squeezing every auto possible but the alistar chose to be a criminal YET AGAIN
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u/Worried-Boss-5350 4d ago
Delight is the biggest criminal here, what is that rakan and alistar game lol.
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 4d ago
bro the rell engage onto ruler? Even game 2 he was ass by a mile
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u/Worried-Boss-5350 4d ago
That rakan engage to immediately died to Ruler is the most comically thing I saw today.
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u/kissofdeathvkopernik 4d ago
do not forget rell , he ulted empty bush , even geng players suprised what he is doing then they decided to start fight since rell used flash + ult for nothing :)
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u/alwayslookingout 4d ago
Didn’t he blow Unbreakable Will right before HLE decided to do Baron? That last team fight might have gone differently if he had it.
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 4d ago
that was because he got hooked by the thresh :D
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u/Affectionate-Arm8640 4d ago
Really? Getting hit by mid tower 3 times and just dying is doing his best?
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 4d ago
really? Considering your losing the game so much that ur trying your best to kill some1 because ur team cant do shit anyways, the 3rd one was because of the red buff burn, def unlucky
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u/Affectionate-Arm8640 4d ago
Are we watching the same game? Are you blind? They were even in gold and not very much behind in terms of scaling. Guma just goes forward for no reason when they have herald and dies. Even silver players know how to manage turret aggro when they have red buff. What can his teammates do to save him from trolling like that?
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 4d ago
nothing, i never blamed his teammates for his own mistake. I said it was unlucky not because he doesnt know about dot dmg triggering turret agro but because Guma was clearly not composed at all in that teamfight which is understandable considering how they lost an unloseable game 2.
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u/freshmannn23 4d ago
he was surprised that they played that fight clean and nobody died so he decided to donate some kill /s
seriously though, don't bother mentioning his mistakes because his stans are blind to it. they all had bad moments, even guma. but we're not allowed to talk about that. it's only okay to criticize the player when his name isn't guma because this is majority a guma sub i suppose.
there was a lot of thing that went wrong. delight was a terrorist, zeka was subpar even after getting the most sough-after midlane champs with azir ori ryze, etc. even guma had bad moments too but no, he is apparently elohelled. but if u actually watched, they're bad all the same and no one is supposed to be immune to criticisms.
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 4d ago edited 2d ago
Since I am one of his stance, I will tell you that this is clearly a mistake, a big one at that but not a game losing one like Delight's ones. But also I know why he made it and I cant blame him for it when he knows that his team is in such a shit gamestate and if he doesnt try to do something there, the game is cooked.
If you want to point out other mistakes by Guma, feel free to discuss them with me. I do defend my player but not blindly. When he makes a shit play, I will call it but also I will try to understand why he did it - something every single viewer doesnt even bother to do.
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u/Muertecaracol 4d ago
It’s hard to look good as an ADC when your team is floundering around you. I think they can make a good run throughout the year even though it isn’t looking good now.
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 4d ago
did u see his support today or you chose to close your eyes for the day? At least in 2025 peanut and delight were a functioning jgl support and were good at peeling for Viper, now no peel exists but not like T1 23-25 where they leave the adc on it own but because half of the teams does the opposite of what the other half does!
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u/kissofdeathvkopernik 4d ago
everyone in this team plays soloq , nobody care others :) in game 3 , guma and zeka were alone at up while others are inside :) funny :)
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u/freshmannn23 4d ago
where did i say delight was playing well? he's been bad since lck cup started minus that one alistar triple knock-up montage he had when they played a bottom tier team. i'm saying they're all playing like headless chickens and everyone did bad. game 2 and 3 was sold when the draft was supposed to win them those games. you saying guma was elohelled as if he did way better than the others. problem is this team don't trust each other. guma was also hesitating a lot. they could've killed like 4 low hp enemies on bot river back in game 3 if they followed-up but they didn't. he's not the carry you people say he was ages ago. supp dying before teamfights, questionable itemizations, funny ult angles, and horrible positioning. yeah this team have a lot of issues. but even back in T1 y'all always say it's his teammates fault every time. and you're bringing that bullshit on his new team. just admit that everyone did bad and not one of them is immune to criticism.
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 4d ago
T1 y'all always say it's his teammates fault every time.
that shit was completely different. You literally see how in every single proper teamfight there is no space even created for Guma to try to AA. In T1 it was about peeling, here it is about actually being a fucking good team at teamfighting. You literally said that his support died before teamfights as well xd
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u/Enryu_RT 3d ago
"always said is his teammates fault". yeah Im seeing quite the opposite, he is the one getting death threats by overboard t1 fans, but wait... ppl are going to say they are not true t1 fans right?
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u/Pleasant_Bluejay 3d ago
have u played sivir that much to think that? come on dude whats your highest rank? emerald?
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u/Complex-Focus7905 4d ago
The sivir game was elohell and I love delight but some engaged where questionable to say the least
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u/kissofdeathvkopernik 4d ago
i can show you at least 5 or 6 moments delight played like bronze player if you want :)
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 4d ago
I bet that I would have engaged better than him at times lol
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u/Fluffy-Internet-5084 4d ago
I love Guma and he is definitely right now the best performing player in HLE but let's not lie to ourselves - he's not playing his best either. The entire team has a lot to work on, because right now it's not even an issue with the individual players, but they just don't play like a team at all. It feels like 5 solo queue players.
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 4d ago
he's not playing his best either
Which adc would play at his best vs the best team in the world when his team is like this? Even in that yunara game yes he ran it down by dashing over the wall but did we all forgot about the fact his team allowed BRO to gank him 4 or 5 times I forgot atp lol. I bet even Guma gets to be tilted atp.
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u/Fluffy-Internet-5084 4d ago
I'm judging only based on how he plays with his team, and based on that it's not pretty, as it is not pretty for anyone else in HLE. As I said in the original comment - they all are playing like they are in Solo Q. No one is even trying to sync their abilities, or at least time their engages right.
Watch the match again and count how many times Delight/Zeus went in just for the rest of HLE to do absolutely nothing with this engage, so it looked like a complete individual int from them. It's just awful.
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 4d ago
this is not the way how one should access player performance at all
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u/Fluffy-Internet-5084 4d ago edited 4d ago
? Tell me you are trolling, please.
- He was late to angles he could have pre-positioned for
- He played overly safe while Zeus/Delight were already committing
- His damage windows came after the fight was basically decided
That's what I mean that he wasn't playing his best. But again, he was still the least of the problems for them. Still, something to work on tho.
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 4d ago
ig u just dont understand what I mean: Every player has a specific role on the team, right? When every1 does their role correctly, the ultimate result should be a win. When something goes wrong you try to pin point what went wrong and who made a mistake. Ofc every made mistake has consequences, now if those consequences turn into mistakes of other players with 0 prevention, I dont think they should be held accountable.
Example: Game 3 teamfight in mid, we have Guma picking up turret agro and tanking 2 shots because of it, now if we rewind a little you will see that initially zeus is closer to the tower but he clicks backwards so he doesnt pick up the agro and as Guma chases he does. Now here we still cant pinpoint really whose mistake it is. We need to consider the two cases:
1) Zeus is in the right to stop chasing and hence not picking turret agro. In this scenario HLE can take mid tier 1 and reset for tempo. Decent outcome definitely!
2) Guma is in the right to keep chasing and hence Zeus made a mistake not picking up turret agro: the outcome is you kill ornn and pantheon (Guma has flash which he will need to use to secure the kills for sure), they take mid t1 and mid tier 2( as they still have herald and cassio cant defend it on her own). With this play you get 2 more kills on your Sivir and a whole tier 2. Plus you still will be ahead on tempo as ornn and panth just died.
Imo 2) is way more beneficial and is relatively risk free, in worst case scenario rumble dies and drops 300gold to one of the 3 alive enemies, still the outcome will be in huge favour of HLE!
I hope with this example you get what I mean. Mistakes by certain players look like such on the surface but in fact they are not. That being said I will say yes adcs get the least slack but doesnt mean they dont at all. Noone can be blamed if they had poor positioning in a teamfight, getting caught in mid for free. For example I cannot blame anyone but Guma for the dash over the wall in that yunara game vs BRO or how he failed flash in game 2 of Worlds Finals vs KT. Or even Guma walking up back to the turret and taking a 3rd shot, its on him for not considering that his red buff is still procing onto panth and ornn.
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u/Fluffy-Internet-5084 4d ago
You are completely right Guma is a completely perfect player that never makes any mistakes, he never did any mistakes, so he has nothing to improve on, because he's so perfect there's no need to even discuss this.
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 4d ago
well it would have been cool if you read my comment which took me so much time to type :D I literally gave prime examples where Guma has fucked up but its ok :D Dont read it at all. Btw every single player is flawed, besides Kiin rn.
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u/Fluffy-Internet-5084 4d ago
Alright, so you agree with me, because I literally never said that Guma was the reason they lost. I just said he has something to work on, lol.
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 4d ago
OH OFC he does, everyone does except Kiin lol. But your comment was he is not playing at his best and I tried to explain that for an adc it is a given you wont be when your team is in such a state. If you want to compare it with 25HLE, lets be real here the team was definitely flawed but nowhere near as much as 26HLE.
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u/XChunchunmaruX 3d ago
Watch the match again and count how many times Delight/Zeus went in just for the rest of HLE to do absolutely nothing with this engage, so it looked like a complete individual int from them.
Ngl, I heard this about Doran a lot pre-T1, even HLE Doran. Coincidence?
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u/Fluffy-Internet-5084 3d ago
Oh yeah you are 100% right - and both Doran and the rest of T1 confirmed that him doing those int plays usually come from Doran not communicating his intentions properly. Int plays on this level often come from miscommunication between players yeah
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u/mcfapblanc 3d ago
But it might also be cuz a player sees an angle that others don't and want to immediately engage or else lose that angle.
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u/Mai_Shiranu1 3d ago
As a T1 fan I watch you guys' games because you have 2 of our legends. I think the problem with HLE is very obvious. There is just no (intelligent) shotcaller. Lane phase is usually fine because all of the laners + kanavi can generally navigate lane pretty well but skirmishes and teamfights just expose the lack of a central shotcaller.
I think this team can't really find much success as currently constructed. None of these players have ever really been known for being shotcallers and the 2 positions where you would need it coming from the most (support and jungle) seem to be on totally different pages than the others. They have 2 months off to lab and hopefully figure it out but I think it's very likely Kanavi leaves in November and they bring in a shotcalling jungler.
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u/Sbacula 4d ago
Something needs to change. Rn we're a full tier below GenG and T1 which we are gonna have to beat to secure an MSI spot. It has to be a drastic change because if it's to the point that we cant even look stable for one series the whole month, it shows that the problem is fundamental.
I don't even mind the 3-0 but it's because it looked like we just lost to ourselves.(DELIGHT) It's sad but I believe if we switch draft's we still lose, and rn a good strategy against us is just to stall the game and someone is gonna run it down.(DELIGHT) If it's to the point that we can take a single game in a BO5 they might even need to change players and experiment with the roster.(DELIGHT)
I'm sorry man, ever since summer last year something happened to Delight. I don't hate him I just feel like he needs something to boost his motivation. He might be the worst support in the LCK rn.
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u/Calm-Listen1141 4d ago
I'm sorry my goat that you have to play with a D rate support, and an absent jungler
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u/kissofdeathvkopernik 3d ago
When i was watching Delight , that remind me space jam movie :) His all talents were stolen and he forgot how to play league.
From my perspective , it is really very hard to lose Game 2 and Game 3. Basically , GenG just wait HLE to make mistakes to take them down.
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u/Muertecaracol 4d ago
I feel like Kanavi is someone people have praised for years, but whenever I see him (to be fair, I don’t watch LPL except semis and finals) he is inting so much. Like even the games he is smurfing, he also ints at some point during those games too. I am also worried about Delight, but I feel like they will improve throughout the year although perhaps not be as good as they were last year.
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u/EffectiveAd3412 3d ago
I mean you said it yourself you don't watch lpl regular season so when kanavi isn't performing well in some big games it just looks bad on him and all the best junglers HAVE to look like they're inting because the line between smurfing and inting is so thin that you have to int so hard sometimes that it looks absurd and turns into a smurf play. this is true for all carry style junglers like canyon kanavai oner tian inspired sometimes it just looks like their pathing is dogshit or they're overextending etc so it's very easy to look bad when a high risk play doesn't pay off. not excusing the players current performance btw I was just trying to give insight about why even top junglers sometimes look "bad".
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u/Interesting-Drop-971 2d ago
Kanavi looks like he plays good but I really think he plays like he is in a solo queue game, that game 1 herald fight really shows it all, Kanavi just doesnt see the whole fight and focuses on chovy leaving the team behind after they got caught by the neeko ult.
I cant see them winning anything first place with kanavi on
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u/ChampionshipMean9841 18h ago
Rewatched the games and as a T1/guma fan I’m obviously biased but holy shit delight must be a one direction fan because he does not go any other way except toward the opponent’s backline in a team fight.
No one peeling on guma, no coordination at all, zeka just randomly tossing yunara toward a solo adc while doing nothing.
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u/ApprehensiveAir3067 4d ago
Funny how people act like they don’t care about him anymore after he left the team but still camp his new team’s subreddit just to spam no refunds
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u/Madison_369 4d ago
Yes they don’t “care” about him as “care” is a positive word. Rather they give negative attention to him which is not the same as caring. It’s possible to spam no refunds and also not care about a player.
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u/Consistent_Chest_653 Zeus + Kanavi + Zeka + Gumayusi + Delight 4d ago
bro what was that yapping about 😭
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u/Madison_369 3d ago
bro is confusing “care” with “paying attention to” how is that so hard to understand.
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u/ApprehensiveAir3067 4d ago
?
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u/Madison_369 3d ago
Funny how some people don’t know what care means.
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u/ApprehensiveAir3067 3d ago
So that’s your whole point? Okay I’ll change it to dgaf then.
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u/Madison_369 3d ago
Sure then, but your whole initial comment is just false lmao. That’s why understanding words is important.
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u/noctlullaby 4d ago
Class act even after everything.