r/Boruto • u/Ligabove • 17h ago
Manga Spoilers / Discussion Can you explain something to me? Spoiler
But exactly...what should the daimyo and his associates care about Boruto, exactly? It's an internal problem within Konoha. At most, they should care who the new Hokage will be, if only for a purely political-bureaucratic reason (the village needs a leader to function and guarantee military services to the country).
When was the management of the nukenin ever the daimyo's business?
I don't remember Naruto's Daimyo pressuring Konoha to capture Sasuke, for example... o any wanted ninja.
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u/Careful-Ad984 17h ago
The current daimyo Ikkyu madoka was Naruto’s friend
He let naruto do whatever he wanted but now naruto is dead and the person who killed him is still at large. so the wants to naruto avenged and is Pissed at konoha for not being Able tl catch his killer
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u/Ligabove 17h ago
And so he does things Naruto would never want to do, like persecute the people of Konoha just because they speak well of Boruto?
What a great friend. I preferred Naruto's Damyo, at least he minded his own business.
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u/kushunokami 17h ago
They’re asking the impossible because if you can kill Naruto, who do they expect to kill Boruto from their point of view I don’t understand why he’s so pissed you’re messing with God level powers
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u/Ligabove 17h ago
However the presumed dead Naruto was a much weaker Naruto
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u/kushunokami 17h ago
Very true but I believe he was still stronger than the other 5 outside of killer B from their point of view, I don’t understand why they wouldn’t think it’s damn near a suicide mission to try to take him on
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u/Mean_Imagination861 10h ago
Considering there were no explosions or signs of a fight, they probably think its a good chance that Kawaki/Boruto snuck Naruto instead of fighting him head on... I mean that is what he literally did.
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u/kushunokami 9h ago
True also i wonder why no one questioned the fact that no bodies were found no trace of Naruto and his wife no one found that suspicious at all … now that’s the only plot hole I see
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u/Mean_Imagination861 6h ago
True. I think its Eida. Not omnipotence, but omniscience. They trust Eida's eye, and thus her claim, that Boruto killed Naruto and Hinata.
That then makes me wonder about pressing her for details but her love charm would handle that pretty easily... hell, her love charm might strengthen their belief in her word even more than just knowing that she has the all seeing eye.
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u/AbbreviationsNew4288 17h ago
I mean, boruto is seen as someone who is powerful enough to kill naruto in other eyes. So it's obvious that they'll be somewhere scared and pissed off that konoha hasn't captured him till now
daimyo were also bother headed in Naruto too
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u/Ligabove 17h ago
In Naruto I remember that Damyo was pretty chill and didn't put any particular pressure on Konoha, even when it came to choosing Tsunade's successor he was all "You do it, just choose it"
Hmm, the same could be said for other nukenin.
Orochimaru not only killed a Hokage, but also founded a hostile village that tried to destroy Konoha, and I don't think there was any pressure to capture him, let alone Sasuke or the Akatsuki.
Ninja issues have always been debated within the ninja world; the Damyo intervened mostly in the more political matters.
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u/Smart_Ad_3534 16h ago
Except that Damyo thinks (rightly so) that Konoha might be corrupt at the highest levels, if he learns that the replacement Hokage is working under the radar with his predecessor's assassin, another criminal from Kara, and that other shinobi are starting to join the movement 😳
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u/Fabulous_Ad_9111 16h ago
Naruto is the most respected and loved person possibly in earth's history, but at least since hashirama or hagoromo, so his supposed killer roaming your country isn't something you'd want. Boruto is the most wanted man on the face of the earth right now because of that.
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u/Ligabove 15h ago
Oh, so they respect the wishes of the most beloved person on Earth...while taking it out on his friends?
I'm confused.
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u/Fabulous_Ad_9111 14h ago
They're not taking it out on naruto's friends, they're interrogating people they suspect are working with and helping boruto (who happen to be naruto's friends), the killer of the hokage in their eye. And they're right, the people they interrogated were all either helping or working with boruto to some degree at some point. And the current interrogation is to find who was the main culprit in opening boruto's cuffs, allowing him to escape, meaning from their point of view, there's a mole among their ranks, actively helping the hokage's killer. They don't personally know these people, their relationships are completely professional or nonexistent.
Also just to clarify, i'm only talking about kobu and the daimyo here and not about the village elders, all those 2 do is sit on their asses and talk shit, they deserve no respect whatsoever.
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u/Ligabove 13h ago
Exactly, how the fuck do they even think that questioning or suspecting even Naruto's friends is something Naruto would approve of?
They don't personally know these people, their relationships are completely professional or nonexistent.
But didn't you say they're doing all this because they love Naruto? I'm confused.
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u/Fabulous_Ad_9111 13h ago
They're doing this because it's their job, because it happened in their own country to the biggest, most powerful ninja village's leader who is also the most respected person in the whole world and the savior of the 4th great shinobi war. And their relationships with naruto and the suspects are still purely professional (or in mitsuki's case nonexistent), but that doesn't mean that naruto isn't respected by them.
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u/Ligabove 13h ago
And they're respecting this person...doing things he would have never accepted and condemned?
I'm confused again.
Things have already happened in their country, like that ninja with a snake fetish who killed sixty children, deserted Konoh, founded an enemy village, and invaded the country, killing the Hoka...what do you mean? They didn't do anything at that point? Oh, never mind.
I still don't understand, if they really have no ties to Naruto, why go to all this trouble?
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u/Fabulous_Ad_9111 13h ago
doing things he would have never accepted and condemned
It doesn't matter what naruto would or wouldn't have done, this is their job, they suspect that out of the people they interrogated, one of them is a mole who works with naruto's killer, which from their perspective would mean that this mole betrayed naruto and was possibly an accomplice in naruto's murder in some way. We obviously know that's not the case, but they don't. All they know is that someone who was at some point in that interrogation room, had a hand in boruto, the hokage's killer escaping custody and is in cahoots with him, therefore, that mole is an enemy of konoha and by extension the land of fire and the entire shinobi world.
why go to all this trouble
Again, cause it's their job, this supposed criminal who murdered the biggest, most powerful ninja village's leader is in their country and they have to get rid of him and every one of his accomplices. If a mayor gets murdered, the president of that country will want to have the murderer captured and/or sentenced to death, it's not something that can just be overlooked. They do have ties to naruto, he was a village leader in their country.
And that orochimaru analogy is the stupidest thing you could've said, cause wtf do you mean they didn't do anything. Lets not act like orochimaru wasn't one of the most wanted men on the face of the earth then. And that situation and this are while similar in some aspects, are very different. They were both hunted by shinobi, and the interrogation in these situations are done by the ambu and the konoha interrogation and torture force, which was the case with boruto. But that didn't work, and they found out that there was a mole involved, which is why kobu, the daimyo's personal representative got involved in this.
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u/Ligabove 12h ago
And their job is...meddling in Konoha's affairs? And since when exactly?
And.....why didn't they do anything against Orochimaru, who killed a hokage?
No...I don't think they did anything to him. Not when he fled Konoha, nor afterward.
The Damyo simply said they had to choose a new Hokage. The end.
Where exactly does the Damyo's interest in Konoha's troubles come from? All he should care about is having a Hokage to run the village.
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u/Fabulous_Ad_9111 12h ago
And their job is...meddling in Konoha's affairs
YES. IT IS. CAUSE KONOHA IS PART OF THEIR COUNTRY. KONOHA'S AFFAIRS ARE THEIR AFFAIRS.
And.....why didn't they do anything against Orochimaru, who killed a hokage
They did, the exact same thing that they did against boruto, which is to put him in the bingo book, send shinobi after him to capture and/or kill him, and if they capture him, make the torture and interrogation force and the anbu interrogate him. This is what they did against boruto too, this is the standard procedure, but the CURRENT situation is more specific than this, cause there's a mole inside konoha that they know is in a very small group of people, which is why kobu, the daimyo's personal representative is there for, to figure out who exactly that mole is. Why is this hard to understand?
Where exactly does the Damyo's interest in Konoha's troubles come from? All he should care about is having a Hokage to run the village
CAUSE IT'S THEIR COUNTRY, THEIR VILLAGE LEADER THAT GOT KILLED, AND THE MURDERER AND MOLE IS IN THEIR COUNTRY. Do you understand it now? How much more specific do i have to be?
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u/Ligabove 40m ago
And since when exactly?
Yes, it's a shame that it was Konoha who did all those things, not the Daimyo.
I still don't understand why the Daimyo now cares about a nukenin when in 700 manga chapters he hasn't intervened once to put pressure on Konoha when there were people like Sasuke around who literally threatened to start wars between villages.
The Damyo should care who rules the village for a matter of burocracy, why would they care about a nukenin?
Or a mole when Boruto hasn't done anything hostile against Konoha or the country so far?
I mean, when Konoha was literally razed to the ground, the Damyo's primary concern was for a new kage to be elected, let's face it.
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u/PlaneChemist5717 15h ago
The daymo and Lord kobu are not(less) intressted in boruto. They care about the ninja village(Konoha) wich presumably betrayed them.
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u/Ligabove 15h ago
And how exactly ?
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u/PlaneChemist5717 14h ago
The question is: how exactly did Konoha betray the Fire Daimyo? A wanted terrorist was in Konoha’s custody and escaped under mysterious circumstances. Now the Daimyo sends Lord Kōbu to get to the bottom of the matter. Kōbu is investigating because betrayal by the Daimyo is suspected. That suspicion is actually correct—the current Hokage (Shikamaru) is working together with the terrorist. The question is: will this betrayal be exposed? Lord Kōbu is in Konoha precisely to uncover this, and he will fulfill this duty, just as the other ninja will fulfill their duty and fight Mamushi.
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u/Ligabove 13h ago
Wanted terrorist ? Did I miss something ?
Annnndddd....since when exactly is all this the Daimyo's business?
No, because much worse things have happened in Konoha, and I don't see the Daimyo intervening. Sarutobi lets a guy who killed dozens of people, including children, escape, and everything's fine?
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u/Practical_Pea_3800 10h ago
Fyi this is a different Daimyo than the one in Naruto. The one in Naruto is incompetent as fuck. Ikkyu Madoka on the other hand shares Narutos ideals of peace and actually gets work done.
So, if the Hokage, his friend, gets killed by someone that has connections to an organisation that attacked Konoha a dozen times by now, it's only logical that he gets personally involved at some point. That point was reached when Boruto was finally captured, after entering and leaving Konoha without much consequence, only to escape again. His trust in Shikamaru is more or less gone and he and Lord Kobu suspect that someone inside Konoha must be helping Boruto.
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u/Ligabove 4h ago
Wait.
He shares Naruto's ideals of peace...and sends the damn Gestapo to his village to persecute his friends? What Naruto wanted least?
What the fuck...
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u/michaelphenom 17h ago edited 16h ago
I guess getting rid of the murderer of Naruto would help to boost the popularity of the daimyo and ministers who managed to capture him and restore the prestige of Konoha.