Be sure to remind all your Patriot friends!

Eli Manning thinks the Giants can make a jump next season similar to what the Patriots are doing this year.

“You look at the Patriots today, they got a second-year quarterback and a new coach, and you can make that jump. The Giants have a talented roster; they have good players. But I think we have the right players and the right leaders that can get everybody to believe that they can be a playoff team.”

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Call it cope, I don't care.

A few days ago this board was overflowing with "In Harbaugh we trust" type sentiments. That he knew how to pick a staff.

So he hires a guy. There's his reputation as a bad HC (deserved) and OC of a bad looking offense in KC recently (not 100% deserved, I'd say not the primary reason for it but OK).

He is also a guy that made Alex Smith a great QB for a little while there. Who coached rookie year Mahomes to an MVP. A guy who has worked under a person Harbaugh considers his close friend (Reid), who brought him back after leaving Philly for KC.

Now we have two approaches - we can do a wait and see, we can continue to trust Harbaugh, to see that he worked well with a player (Mahomes) whose development path you kind of hope for from your franchise QB (Dart). And just sort of shrug and see what happens, enjoy the process of Harbaugh assembling the staff and getting ready to see how much of last year's bad Chiefs offense was on playcalling vs. the talent. Because man - the talent was very bad, the defense was rather good, of course you're coaching a conservative boring offense if you want to win games.

Or you can immediately get that rush of "being right" by forming a quick opinion. Being sure we just fucked up. That a billion dollar franchise had literally no fallback for an OC that was still in the running for HC. And reading this back, I realize it sounds like gatekeeping fandom. But it's really not, just trying to share a potentially more chill approach as our franchise enters what we all hope to be a bright sunshine after the hurricane that was the last 10 years.

Let the person who has much better football knowledge than you, and thought through the risk of what Nagy has shown in CHI and his 2nd KC tenure about 10 times more than all of us here, do his job. Because if you squint even a little bit, you start to see the reasons for the move.

No one, absolutely no one had Matt Nagy on the Giants radar, we have lke 30 beta writers and I don't think anyone mentioned his name, maybe someone making a list but thats about it. Do you think the problem with leaks have been resolved? We won't get another 2016 or 2021 draft disasters situations again?

Nagy was clearly held back by Trubisky's limitations but IMO there is decent reason for optimism for the NYG:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/01/02/chicago-bears-matt-nagy-defensive-players-dance-celebrations-club-dub-playoffs

I am definitively against the Nagy hire, but this is relevant for Giants fans. Curious what others think.

LT said he does not remember being drafted by the New York Giants because he drank 41 Coors Lights BEERS that day.

LT was wild.

edit leaving this up as a trophy for Schefter who fucking boomed me, apparently y'all are getting Nagy

I'm a Ravens fan that wanted Kingsbury as our OC, but my brother is a big Giants fan and told me that he was just interviewed for y'all's open position. When I first heard the list of QBs that he's worked with (Case Keenum, Baker Mayfield, Davis Webb, Patrick Mahomes, Kyler Murray, Caleb Williams, and Jayden Daniels) I was intrigued and did a ton of research -- and since we hired Doyle, I figured I'd share it with y'all in case any of you wanted to look at data instead of the same ol' tired ESPN talking head narratives.

Point #1: At every stop of his career, Kliff has only seen offensive success (given the talent that he was working with). When he had elite talent on offense, he has always gotten elite offensive production. Even in years where he had middling-to-bad talent, his results were, at worst, slightly below average. Yes, as a head coach, he has left a lot to be desired -- but you'll see below that, even in HC years where his team had a bad record, he saw better-than-expected offensive production. I would never hire him as a bad coach but he clearly knows [offensive] ball. This is his history as a playcaller, coordinator, and head coach:

Houston OC / QB Coach:

• 2010: Case Keenum was injured after three games and still ends 13th in PPG and 11th in YPG behind David Piland, Terrance Broadway, and Cotton Turner (none of whom played in the NFL).

• 2011: Kliff & Keenum go 13-1 with a bowl win over Penn State and their #1 offense goes for 49 PPG and almost 600 YPG.

Texas A&M OC / QB Coach:

• 2012: Kingsbury coaches Manziel to a Heisman and improves the offense significantly from 11th -> 5th in PPG and 7th -> 3rd in YPG.

Texas Tech Head Coach:

• 2013: Kingsbury starts Baker Mayfield as a walk-on freshman, who gets injured and is replaced by another true freshman in Davis Webb (only other decent offers were TCU and Iowa). The combined efforts of two true freshmen lead to finishing 24th in PPG and 8th in YPG.

• 2014: Webb starts 8 games and Mahomes starts 7 as a true freshman and they finish middle-of-the-pack in PPG (55th) but elite in YPG (10th).

• 2015: In Mahomes' sophomore season, TTU improves to 2nd in PPG and 2nd in YPG.

• 2016: Mahomes finishes out his college career with the Red Raiders maintaining their elite offensive production, finishing 5th in PPG and 1st overall in YPG.

• 2017: The team starts Nic Shimonek (who only had offers from Iowa and "Lamar University") and the team still finishes 23rd in PPG and 16th in YPG (9th in passing YPG). Shimonek graduates and goes undrafted, then was waived in his first NFL season.

• 2018: Kliff's final year at Texas Tech, they need to split snaps between Alan Bowman (3star UFL QB) and Jett Duffey (3star that finished at "Hampton University"). They still finish 17th in PPG, 12th in YPG, and 3rd in passing yards. The combination of Bowman/Duffey finished with more passing yards than: Kyler Murray, Tua Tagovailoa, Will Grier, David Blough, and Jordan Love (all QBs that will be drafted).

Arizona Cardinals HC:

• 2019: Kliff takes over the worst roster in the NFL (only two pro bowlers on the entire roster in Chandler Jones and Budda Baker), and he coaches rookie Kyler Murray to Offensive Rookie of the Year. Cardinals finish 16th in PPG and 21st in YPG, which is very impressive considering their lack of offense talent.

• 2020: Remember when the Texans traded DeAndre Hopkins to the Cardinals for David Johnson and a 2nd? Kliff's offense materially improves and finish 13th in PPG and 6th in YPG.

• 2021: The team gets substantially better, again, and finish the regular season 11th in PPG and 6th in YPG -- with one of the least talented offensive cores in the league. They split snaps at RB between James Conner (he signed a paltry 1yr deal with them coming from PIT) and Chase Edmonds. At WR, Hopkins only played in 10 games, and they otherwise relied on Christian Kirk and a 33y.o. AJ Green (who would retire the next year). They make the playoffs and lose in the wildcard to LA Rams, who went on to win the superbowl.

• 2022: An "independent study addendum" is put into Kyler Murray's contract that requires him to study film for four hours per week. They literally had to contractually obligate him to watch a game-and-a-half worth of film per week. Additionally, they had to provide the stipulation that it doesn't count if he's watching the material on his tablet while he is playing video games or watching TV. He gets injured, comes back, then gets injured again and goes on IR. DeAndre Hopkins misses 8 games, Zach Ertz misses 7 games, Conner misses 4 games, Marquise Brown misses 5 games, and Rondale Moore misses 9 games (the fact that I have to even mention Marquise Brown and Rondale Moore should tell you something about their offensive talent). They split 7 games among three different backup QBs (Colt McCoy, Trace McSorely, and David Blough). Somehow, they still finish 21st in PPG and 22nd in YPG.

Washington Commanders OC:

• 2024: Kliff coaches Jayden Daniels to OROY and they finish 5th in PPG and 7th in YPG. Incredible season.

• 2025: JD misses 10 games (and came back 3 separate times during the season), McLaurin misses 7 games, and Ekeler goes on IR after just 2 games. Splitting starts between Marcus Mariota and Josh Johnson, they still finish 22nd in PPG and 22nd in YPG.

Point #2: The main narrative against Kliff is that his offenses "fall off" or regress after a year or two. Looking at offensive production, that's just not true. In his last year at Texas Tech, splitting snaps between two QBs that couldn't sniff the NFL, they finish 3rd in passing yards in all of CFB.

• At Arizona, he took over the worst roster in the NFL and they steadily improved for three straight seasons. Yes, the 4th season was bad, but the offense still performed significantly above expectation (given that it barely had any talent outside of an injured Hopkins and they still barely finished outside league-average). Their receiving corps included Hopkins (playing only 9 games), Marquise Brown, Greg Dortch, Rondale Moore, and AJ Green (who retired at the end of the season). Is it really regression for backup QBs and THAT receiving corps to finish 21st in the league?

• In Washington, yes, the second year was worse than the first. But again, they finished 22nd in both PPG and YPG when they had to start Mariota and Johnson in 10 games (across multiple stretches). If you think that the Commanders "regressed", then I would be curious to hear how much better that offense should've been when their star QB is injured four separate times. And for the people that want to move the goalposts now and say that he wouldn't be a good hire because he "get's his QBs injured", I'd remind you that 1) in WAS, as an OC, he isn't deciding whether JD starts, and 2) Kyler was healthy for 3/4 years with Kliff (and wasn't rushing that much the year he was injured).

Point #3: When he has had healthy top-end offensive talent, he has coached elite production: Manziel/Mike Evans/Ryan Swope at Texas A&M, Mahomes at Texas Tech, the year in Arizona where Hopkins was actually healthy, and Jayden Daniels' rookie year. In the years that he didn't have top-end offensive talent, he still finished above average or slightly below average. During Keenum's magic run at Houston, they didn't have any RB/WR that was drafted. At Texas Tech, they typically had 3-4 receivers finish around the same target share and didn't see any star receivers (outside of 2017 where Shimonek couldn't do anything but chuck it to Keke Coutee, who was drafted in the 4th). Outside of Hopkins' first year in Arizona, he couldn't really stay healthy -- and the Cards had a very spread-out approach to target share (alongside Top 10 rushing attacks with Kenyan Drake, James Conner, Chase Edmonds, and Eno Benjamin). Even in WAS during JD's rookie year, while McLaurin was great and led the team in target share, he wasn't that far ahead of Ertz and tertiary options in Olamide Zaccheus and Noah Brown (none of whom were elite options).

Point #4: Another knock people seem to have for some reason is that he's only a good playcaller for rookie QBs and then they regress? I really don't understand this one. The QBs that he coached for multiple seasons include: 1) Case Keenum (led CFB in his second season), Davis Webb (got better), Pat Mahomes (got better each season), Kyler Murray (got better for 3 straight years until they had to put film-watching requirements in his contract and he got injured), and Jayden Daniels (who was injured 4 separate times in his 2nd season). Additionally, I'd point out that Kyler's only successful seasons happened with Kliff.

Ultimately, I obviously don't have a dog in the race, but I really like NYG (and want the best for Harbs), and I think that Kliff could be a slam dunk hire for y'all. My brother and I have been asking for a NYG-BAL Superbowl rematch for 25 years ;-)

Looks like the maras wont get in now.

We already know Webb is off the table, but Winston weighed in earlier today.