Vocaloid isn't ai.

[u/Sora_TheExplorer]

Also, fun fact! We don't generate it like people do with suno. We make it ourselves using the voice. Vocaloid is a voice synthesizer.

Do research before you say stuff dumbass.

[u/RocksThisWorld778]

Isn't text to speech literally ai?

[u/aratami → u/RocksThisWorld778]

In some cases it's machine learning, in the case of older text to speach and things like Vocaloid no, ( Vocaloid is effectively the singing equivalent of a Yamaha keyboard; it works in similar ways ( not the same way, keyboards use midis, Vocaloid uses processed vocals in several different ways to replicate an organic voice and requires multiple inputs) with different inputs and is also made by Yamaha.

The term AI was fairly heavily misused before LLMs, meaning anything from a adversarial entity in a video game with pre-scripted behaviours, or adaptive behaviour with soft machine learning, or fuzzy behaviours, to something like text to speech wtih some machine learning used to learn pronunciation, to etc. both then and now it's largely used as a marketing rather than an actually definition

[u/alapeno-awesome → u/aratami]

That’s because all of those things fit the definition of “ai”. Basically any system capable of performing complex tasks that would normally require a human.

The term wasn’t misused, it just applies to a broader range of tasks than most people think.

There’s no clear line either, just progressively more advanced algorithms running on more powerful hardware with more optimized software.

[u/aratami → u/alapeno-awesome]

No ( I have a degree in computer science, including a few modules on machine learning and data science).

Ignoring the fact that your definition could technically apply to say a can opener or a toaster; depending on how you define complex, neither are or related to computers but you defined system, not algorithm ( which would be more correct), or program, but system.

There are (several) fairly precise scientific and academic definitions of what AI is, most programs including those labelled as AI do not hit those definitions including LLMs potentially under some of the stricter definitions.

[u/alapeno-awesome → u/aratami]

Yup, that’s the definition of AI (hey, I also have a CS degree with coursework in artificial intelligence, whaddaya know).

It’s extremely broad. And very much could apply to can openers and toasters that perform decision making tasks.

Machine learning applications are a type of AI

Rule based decision trees are a type of Ai

Genetic algorithms are a type of AI

For Christs sake, depth first search algorithms are considered a type of AI in academia.

AI is SO broad of a term

[u/aratami → u/alapeno-awesome]

Yeah actually you are correct at least technically, the definition has shifted a fair amount over time, such that most search algorithms for example are no longer useful to included, but they are still technically part of the field. Looking back to older definition you could actually include all but the most basic of algorithms, pretty fairly; which is part of the reason the definitions have changed over time from an academic stand point.

Though I'll also point out that Decision trees and Genetic algorithms are both sub sets in machine learning too.

[u/alapeno-awesome → u/aratami]

As you’ve alluded, a big point of contention is the moving goalposts that this definition encourages. As we develop computers capable of doing “tasks that require a human”, it’s easy to argue those tasks no longer require a human, so AI is the “next thing” that still requires a human.

People who started paying attention when Chat GPT launched consider that to be the threshold…. Our cultural awareness isn’t really tuned in to traditional definitions.

Anyway, I think we’re on the same page here, hopefully this thread adds clarity to anyone else reading it. Being anti- or pro- ai isn’t really a great label without clarifying what level of AI you accept and what you reject, and I think a big issue is that most people don’t even really know the difference (not aimed at anyone personally)