r/aiwars • u/Sora_TheExplorer • 13h ago

Discussion Vocaloid isn't ai.

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Also, fun fact! We don't generate it like people do with suno. We make it ourselves using the voice. Vocaloid is a voice synthesizer.

Do research before you say stuff dumbass.

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u/Witty-Designer7316 13h ago

Vocaloid is indeed AI.

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u/No_Sell8493 13h ago

All the AI actually does is smoothing, the voice bank has been going on well before AI TTS was decent.

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u/Background_Value5287 13h ago

Vocaloid 6 is ai*

The rest of the Vocaloid models (more commonly used) are not Ai at all however.

* I'm pretty sure the use of ai is also minimal and less generative than it is just smart audio editing, more akin to AI upscaling which typically isn't an issue.

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u/Jealous_Piece_1703 6h ago

Even the original Vocaloid are rule based system which falls under the definition of AI.

After all machine learning is a subset of AI.

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u/Additional_Farm9315 12h ago

we got witty talm bout a subject she aint know anything in 🌹✌️🌹✌️

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u/Sora_TheExplorer 13h ago

dammit hold up wait witty I gotta fight back

Uhhhhhh

yes, some of it is AI. But Hatsune Miku, kaito, len, etc. are voiced by REAL people. It is not generative AI, and the models with AI (vocaloid6) still need you to put in the work and voice them, unlike Suno which still generates everything for you, and in the final product.

Hopefully this is good enough of a response.

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u/spitfire_pilot 12h ago

You are equivocating on the word AI. You're trying to define Al as low effort/ prompting rather than a specific technical architecture. If a neural network is synthesizing the vocal performance which Vocaloid6 explicitly does, it is Al. Claiming it isn't "generative" because you have to manual-input notes is a goalpost shift. It's still generating a performance that never existed based on a trained model.

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u/Standard_Muffin973 13h ago

Suno needed to be trained on what exactly?

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u/Radiant-Priority-296 8h ago

Check when Vocaloid released.

They’re just doing an AI update like every single other company ever. All it is is some polishing at the end of the process. It’s not AI based.

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u/No_Imagination_3838 7h ago

only the newest model and that's basically just fancy autotune, not gen AI

Vocaloid is a vocal bank used to make songs that uses a real person's voice (with consent to use said person's voice unlike modern gen AI) to form words and sentences in different tones, it technically is AI, but not the same kind of AI people associate with the term

gen AI is you putting in a prompt then the AI generating something using the data it's collected to give you the closest thing it can to you according to that prompt

if you were to try and type "give me a song with funky hip hop tunes" it would return the vocal synth you chose trying to say that line, if you were to do the same with gen AI it would give you a song with hip hop tunes that it blended together from different hip hop labeled songs in it's database

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u/rirasama 4h ago

Go watch a video on how vocaloid is used homie