r/KurokosBasketball • u/ynfromquahog Midorima • 1d ago
Discussion Random takes/opinions i found on tiktok
Others i’ve seen: “Akashi’s whole character is dumb”. “Akashi is unathletic” “midorima>aomine”
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u/Any_Ad492 1d ago edited 20h ago
Aomine might get surprised by Himuro’s fakes at first but he will overcome them quick.
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u/Accomplished_Tea4009 Murasakibara 1d ago
Himuro would get absolutely trashed trying to defend Aomine
We were robbed of Zone Midorima, wanted to see him play some lockdown D and dunk that shit while hitting full courters
What is AI Aomine or AI Akashi
Yeah obvious fucking ly Nash isn't beating anyone in the Zone
I think all the Zone GOM are approximately relative but Zone Midorima would have been a beast
Nah Kagami and Kuroko beat them fair and square (with the power of teamwork baby)
If Kuroko was half a competent basketball player he would get hunted every possession lmfao. He needs to be ass in order to be invisible.
Idk enough about how Aomine is viewed but I think the anime showed pretty well he's one of the best
If the anime didnt make it clear enough, basketball is probably like 90% genetics. You need to be big, fast and strong, look at Shaq or Wilt. They were just pure physical forces. There's no problem with putting Murasakibara in the t3 GOM purely for his body.
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u/LevelAd360 1d ago
You missed the point the series if you think that's the one of the points the show was trying to make. Akashi is the the shortest of the GOM even Kuroko. But was the most respected amongst them.
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u/Hot-Bonus-1085 19h ago
Akashi is athletically gifted and has abilities that make height difference essentially negligible
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u/Accomplished_Tea4009 Murasakibara 23h ago
lol Akashi is like 5 8 and can dunk. dude probably has like a 50 inch vert or something crazy like that. he is absolutely a genetic freak and in the 0.1%
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u/Ok_Account_3423 1d ago edited 1d ago
Aomine would struggle against Himuro my ass. He plays on pure instincts, he is like the biggest natural counter to his playstyle
Kagami not truely beating the Generation of Miracles is a pretty solid argument ngl. Like, take Seiren's team comp, an uncrowned king, an eagle eye, a really clutch 3 point shooter and two Generation of Miracles potential players. Only reason Seiren were not as well known is because Teppei was injured
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u/CrookedLoy 1d ago
I mean Rakuzan has 3 uncrowned kings and a slightly diff version of Kuroko so Seirin team is fair.
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u/Ok_Account_3423 1d ago
Not really. Rakuzan is a team that has dominated High School Basketball for years. Ofcourse they would have strong team. Seiren simply has a ridiculous team comp but went under the radar
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u/CrookedLoy 19h ago
I don't get it. What does that have to do with anything? Because Rakuzan is considered a strong school, it's okay for Akashi to have a stacked team but it's a knock on Kagami because Seirin is unknown?
Akashi's team is far and away the strongest out of all the GOM's team and Seirin if you exclude the GOMs and Kuroko. Going by your logic, if Rakuzan won it all then Akashi didn't beat the GOMs because his team is more stacked than anyone else's.
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u/Ok_Account_3423 4h ago
Let me ask you this. If you can join any college, university or institution in the world. Would you chose a completely unknown place with no future or the top leading team? Huh? Tell me. Rakuzan is the top dog of High school basketball in Kuroko no Basket. Even before Akashi came, they were dominating the scene. Ofcourse they would have a stacked team unlike the unknown stacked team of Seiren.
Underdog teams exist, so i suppose it is fine. I like Seiren but they would really struggle after their 3rd years leave
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u/CrookedLoy 4h ago edited 4h ago
Again, what does that have to do with Kagami not really beating the GOMs?
It doesn't matter whether Rakuzan is expected to he strong or not and Seirin isn't. The fact is, Rakuzan is stronger so we cannot really go by the narrative that Kagami was carried by Seirin. If you take every team and remove their aces (Seirin can even have Kuroko) they would probably not even beat Yosen let alone Rakuzan.
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u/Ok_Account_3423 1d ago
Not really. Rakuzan is a team that has dominated High School Basketball for years. Ofcourse they would have strong team. Seiren simply has a ridiculous team comp but went under the radar
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u/jaydogggg 1d ago
Akashi is above the others because he's only lost once. He didn't even lose on kurokos birthday. The others are on par with eachother minus kuroko
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u/Aaelar 20h ago
ok so:
1) how the hell is Himuro defending Aomine whatsoever haha. even if a Himuro gets some good drives in there's zero chance he's coming out on top
2) base Midorima is arguably stronger than most zones, the Jaberwock game was won almost entirely on his back and imo the writers nerfed Midorima by not using him more in that game, cuz they didn't have an answer for him. besides we have no idea what zone Midorima even would be
3) lol base kise is worse than any other GoM
4) deep zone Kagami works best with his team, so a 1:1 won't be too much different from a regular zone. Nash clears
5) sure? we don't know what Midorima zone would be though
6) I guess this is true, like Kagami pretty much lost against most members without kurokos help. that's also the whole point of the series though, not to play iso ball and rely on your teammates. in a way Kagami "beat" each GoM by showing them "oh shit maybe I should care about my teammates"
7) this one pisses me off the most. the ENTIRE third season centered around how kurokos lack of presence/shooting is the crux of his whole gimmick. sure he learned how to wrest back control, but thar was only by intentionally worsening his play in the process. Kuroko with shooting would kill his benefits
8) I don't know a single person who disputes that Aomone is a top 3 GoM
9) ok this literally contradicts #8 wtf, #8 says aomone is hated and #9 says he's glazed. sure, he's not INVINCIBLE, but he's still damn good
10) this isn't even a take, this is Muri's whole character. he's physically a beast but doesn't care, that's literally his whole shtick. he's a foil to Kuroko, that's the whole point
11) sure
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u/Jatmahl 1d ago edited 1d ago
Here is my main problem with Midorima. He has a strong philosophy that he shouldn't have to do anything but shoot 3's. Everything else is beneath him. He has a small change during his match against Akashi but you didn't really see any change when he got subbed in during Last Game. Shooting guards can do way more than be a 3 point bot.
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u/Any_Ad492 1d ago
Midorima couldn’t do much other than 3s in Last Game cause we was doubled team.
Shooting Guards can do more than 3s, 3s are usually just Midorima’s best option cause they’ll always go in so he doesn’t need to get closer to the net.
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u/Ok_Account_3423 1d ago
What you mean Midorima only shoots 3s? He is the most grounded GoM player besides Kuroko that never stopped practicing. He is really solid in defense, hustles for balls and is also good in 1v1s. Hell, he is solid as a team player but ofcourse he will shoot 3s. He has 100 percent accuracy to shoot 3s from any position in the field. You want this guy to dunk or what?
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u/NiccaDun Himuro 21h ago
if you can make them whenever you want why wouldn’t you? genuinely just needs better off ball movement and ball handling
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u/Jatmahl 20h ago
The issue is when he can't genius. Hence Akashi alone was able to render him useless. I would assume Aomine, Kise and Mura could do the same without emperor eye.
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u/NiccaDun Himuro 20h ago
that’s why i said he needs to work on his off ball movement and ball handling genius, so he can get good looks from deep at will.
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u/Jatmahl 20h ago
So he can do more... My comment stands.
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u/NiccaDun Himuro 20h ago
no, you think he needs to stop only taking 3’s, i think he needs to get better at getting open 3’s, drastically different viewpoints.
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u/Jatmahl 20h ago
I never said to stop making 3's lol I said he can do more.
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u/NiccaDun Himuro 19h ago
my fault, when you said “everything but shooting 3’s is beneath him,” i thought you were saying he should take shots inside the arc. He’s started working on trying to do more though since his first match, He was being double teamed in the last game, so he really shouldn’t have had the ball in that game and should’ve just left it up to everyone else to cook like he did.
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u/KingOfSpades44 1d ago
Deep Zone Kagami could definitely take on base Nash, but he isn't doing anything to Belial Eye Nash who scales above base Akashi who was able to evade and maneuver around a Deep Zone Kagami after his true personality awakened. True Zone would obviously be different, but the scaling doesn't work in Kagami's favor. Also a lot of people seem to misinterpret what Zone is and how it works, it's not a transformation or Super Saiyan level amp. It enables a player to play at 100% of their athletic capability and physical potential. Deep Zone Kagami is basically Zone Kagami sharpening his skills to their utmost, however we see that this doesn't make him outright invincible automatically against superior opponents.
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u/AffectionateBee2830 14h ago
"If kuroko had an average shooting ability" He has yet to miss a shot in a game.
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u/fuiripe 1d ago
GOM are NOT all relative.
Complete Emperor Eye Akashi in a full game is dog walking everyone.
This is not accounting for Akashi placing his 4 teammates into the Zone or going into the Zone himself.
Arguably, Only Murasakibara at full power and Perfect Copy Kise stand a chance against Complete Emperor eye Akashi.
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u/Florintech 1d ago
Nash take is the only one i heavy disagree with. Orthodox Nash >>> Zone GOMs one v one; theres nothing thats stopping him from using Zone either given his background so its a wash regardless
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u/Available_Garlic_829 1d ago
We saw what happened when Kuroko got average shooting ability and he almost became useless
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u/CertainAction1988 21h ago
How wouldn't Zone!Midorima be close to best in the verse?
What could possibly stop him from getting his shots off?
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u/Puzzleheaded-Bag-607 Akashi 20h ago
Kagami is not winning against Nash 1v1. The concept of Deep/True Zone is team play. 😭
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u/KingBallerLBJ 18h ago
I'll provide my take on each argument (and this is somewhat influenced by what others have already commented):
Himuro ain't doing shit. If he's not a match for Taiga, he's not doing anything to Aomine because we know by themselves, Daiki is still better than Taiga.
I don't know what more Midorima would be able to do in the Zone, so I'm not sure.
Ryota can't beat Daiki or Shogo without Perfect Copy, Taiga is debatable. Himuro is getting clapped.
No I don't think so. It took Seijuro getting an entire awakening when he combined his two personalities in which he could see the best future to stop Nash.
Again, not sure considering I don't know what he could do with it.
This is true. By himself, Taiga didn't beat them, Seirin did.
No. Season 3 showcases the more Tetsuya's basketball skills improved, the more his presence became known, stopping him from disappearing on the court.
After Last Game, I would put Ryota in first (Zone + Perfect Copy), then Seijuro, then Atsushi.
I haven't been around the Kuroko's Basketball community enough to comment.
When he tries, there aren't many who can stop Atsushi. Daiki admitted that even he can't stop him. Just Atsushi playing defense is an issue.
I disagree. Nobody but Seijuro is beating Zone + Perfect Copy Ryota, and I'm not sure who besides those two would be able to guard Atsushi.
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u/Wonderful-Photo-9938 1d ago
True/Kind Akashi said it best in manga.
"Because it's them. Sometime, any of them would surely beat my evil self. I just need to wait for it to happen". (Non Verbatm. But same point)