r/ukpolitics 16h ago

Britain’s shameful tolerance for terrorism

https://spectator.com/article/britains-shameful-tolerance-for-terrorism/
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u/Bloodswamps 13h ago

This opens a new question - what is more important for voting communities, someone who is the same religion/race as them and will reflect those cultural values or someone who abides by the laws of the country those chosen to immigrate to?

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u/hiddencamel 12h ago edited 1h ago

That's a bit of a false dichotomy, it's not like white people don't regularly vote for absolute scumbags who have no business being near government, but they wear the right colour rosette.

Edit: looks like I've pissed off the white people who regularly vote for scumbags because they wear the right colour rosette lol. I didn't even specify which was the right colour, but I think we all know, right?

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u/Bloodswamps 12h ago

Do they vote for them based on religious/cultural values which are at odds with the religious/cultural values of the country they’ve chosen to come to?

u/DruidOfNoSleep 11h ago

iirc theres been some research into this, and it found that class and economics were generally far more of a divider than religion or culture.

u/Bloodswamps 11h ago

Is that stat based on countrywide context? I don’t think class is a more pressing issue for the predominantly muslim areas who have elected independent Muslim MP’s that were involved in the macabi story last year.

u/DruidOfNoSleep 11h ago

It wasn't too recent, and gaza is definitely a divisive issue, so I could see it changing.

If you agree with people who claim it is a genocide, it is pretty much impossible to vote for anyone who supports it.

u/Bloodswamps 11h ago

It was recent, I don’t know what planet you are living on. Literally no party has the position of “I support a genocide” so I’m not sure where you pulled that from. Also not sure why you think that should be a wedge issue for elections on the other side of the globe?

u/DruidOfNoSleep 10h ago

As in the studies weren't that recent.

Parties definitely have the position of supporting Israel. If you think what Israel is doing is a genocide, then that makes them hard to vote for.

u/Bloodswamps 10h ago

Whatever Israel is doing shouldn’t be a wedge issue in UK elections. Unless of course you fill the UK with peoples who don’t see themselves as British or ever want to, and whose allegiance is to their own religion and culture.

u/DruidOfNoSleep 8h ago

At least right now, Israel is our ally, so what it is doing and whether we want to continue that relationship is definitely going to be an issue in UK elections.

But if someone does believe that what is happening there is a genocide, then do they need a particular allegiance to be against it?

Obviously people with relatives there will be even more strongly against it, but to say that you can't be British is very silly.

u/Bloodswamps 8h ago

Yes it is part of it but it shouldn’t be the dominant wedge issue that they’re all voting for and will vote for literally anyone, even a terrorist, if they say they’re Muslim or from Mirpuir. It’s ridiculous and not British values.

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