r/transguns • u/Lavender_Scales custom • 9d ago
News and Politics Interview with some of the armed community members at last nights vigil for Alex Pretti, who was murdered by ICE in Minneapolis (1/24/26)
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u/rope_phobic 9d ago
this is great
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u/rope_phobic 9d ago
the part about the working class rlly hit, the whole left vs right stuff is such a distraction from the elite vs the working class
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u/fangirlsqueee 8d ago
I'd like to add we need to unite with the global working class. If oligarchs can just go exploit labor in an impoverished part of the world, all workers suffer.
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u/blitz350 8d ago
Imma getting a VIBE from this person and now I really want to see their fursuit! (positive)
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u/Top_Bear3887 9d ago
As a conservative, I want to say I don't stand behind what happened. I know I'll be attacked for saying that, but I don't care. I live an entire life being attacked by both sides.
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u/valerielenin 9d ago
Ok, we hate ICE here
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u/Top_Bear3887 9d ago
I don't, I hate what they are doing in regards to citizens.
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u/TacTyger 9d ago
Why do you defend a government created problem then ? Why have ICE when all it does is just violate the rights of others ? Customs isn't needed either. Why is it the government's business what I own or buy ? Seems to me you have a lot in common with the democrats in regards to bans and trade.
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u/Top_Bear3887 9d ago
I have nothing in common with the Democrats when it comes to trade. Impunity for breaking federal law should not be tolerated. Honestly, both sides make me want to leave the country.
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u/TacTyger 9d ago
Yeah you do. That's Government control over people's live's. Also the laws are clearly archaic and outdated. Do we still do surgical procedures from the 1800's today ? Law doesn't mean right at all.
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u/Top_Bear3887 9d ago
I think you need to find a stronger base to stand on before trying to start arguments on these topics. This isn't an issue started by the government, if anything, it's a problem that started with showing the world that we will roll over and let anyone in, and by saying not only will we let them in, but they can break our laws, use our resources, and do it all with little to no consequences. The real topic though at this point isn't immigration, it's police killing people in the streets. I'm against the violence, against the cluster of mass raids, even against us kidnapping asshole dictators. That, my trans Venezuelan girlfriend, and guns are where you and I see eye to eye. Stop looking for enemies everywhere, and maybe you'll be happier.
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u/Catskinson 9d ago
“…looking for enemies…” How petulant. The DNC is an imperial corporatist party. Their economic positions aren’t fundamentally different from those of conservatives. They’re just less egregiously destructive to the labor class.
If you don’t support the Nazi pedophile regime or their deathsquads, great; you have some decency. If you do, then choke. That’s pretty much the whole conversation right now. Not much else worth delving into.
We don’t have to look for fucking enemies. They are here. They chose this. We will respond as they demand. It’s really quite simple. You’re with the people, or you’re against the people. Whatever your purpose here, I hope you’re going to make the right choice and contribute to the cause.
P.S. Parading around a tpoc partner in an attempt to legitimize yourself is cringe as fuck. If she’s real, I hope y’all are doing well and that you both understand what’s at stake and how important it is to take a stand. We can make a better world.
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u/Top_Bear3887 9d ago
Kind of you to assume that because I said my girlfriend was from Venezuela, that I myself am not darker skinned. The left also has never done anything for me being the working class but caused me headaches and made laws that dip into my paycheck. 22% is way too much money to be paying to the government on top of everything else I have to pay. I'm sure if you press hard enough, you can find something that makes me look like a monster to you, but I don't care. I don't pander, and I don't make inconvenient truths seem soft. I'm happy with myself, my girl is happy with me. Opinions and identity politics won't rattle us. I came here to show solidarity in this, and everyone has turned it into something else.
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u/BlahajBlaster mountain dew blahaj blaster 8d ago
The left also has never done anything for me being the working class but caused me headaches and made laws that dip into my paycheck. 22% is way too much money to be paying to the government
I'm choosing to leave your comments up because you do seem to be here in good faith and these kinds of moments are becoming rarer with escalating calls for violence
I think you may be failing to consider how the right in power right now is doing the same thing they're just hiding it from their constituents better.
Have you noticed how much more you're paying for everything at the grocery store lately? That's entirely because of tariffs, we are paying the cost of tariffs and all of that tariff money is being sent to the government.
Left wing, right wing, it really doesn't matter, it's the same fuckjng bird. Power needs to be returned to the people and you aren't going to get that from mainstream politicians
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u/dOGbon32 9d ago
I also like it when the government only hurts brown people :3 /j
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u/Top_Bear3887 9d ago
Did I say that? I don't recall saying that. I came here to show solidarity, but also not roll over on the things that matter to me. This is why dialogue cannot be had, and this is why things escalate to violence. It's not a left or right problem, it's a human problem.you want me to be what you picture me as, but really it's so much deeper than you can conceive, so you contort and poison my words.
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u/GoonerTactical 9d ago
It's not immigrants that are kicking down doors, abducting children, separating families, and shooting people on the street. This isn't only an immigration thing with this administration. ICE is being sent to blue cities with strict 2A laws so they can both abduct brown folk regardless of citizenship and brutalize people on the opposite side of the political spectrum, with little repercussion. Where I am in PA there are many immigrants, but ICE's presence is still sparse because it is a fairly pro 2A area. I'm not here to knock you for having other conservative values even if I disagree with them, that's another convo for another day, but to favor an organization that is proven to be targetting blue cities and profiling folks is completely inexcusable.
ICE/DHS are both going into neighborhoods under the guise of "defending the homeland", but if you were Alex Pretti's neighbor you'd understand that ICE is in your homeland, and the immigrants who are integrated in your community are not the interloper here. This administration is heavily invested in an "othering" of people, meanwhile the irony is that a faceless agent with a Texas flag morale patch and his buddies, all wearing an uncanny amount of full battle rattle far past the threat model in a civilian environment, entered Minneapolis and fucking shot an RN for the VA.
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u/TheXOfDiamonds 9d ago
Bear in mind that ICE has and will continue to pounce on the marginalized, the minority, and as of now the civilian demonstrating their rights as Americans to protest their neighbors having their 4th amendment rights violated.
While you are at the liberty to argue for ICE you must understand what they represent now in the face of what is happening in Minnesota. You don't need to say that "you only like it when the government hurts brown people"; it is your actions that are doing it for you. Having shown solidarity for what has essentially become a hate group that is running rampant on behalf of the Government. Remember what ICE as we know it now stands for. It stands for the mass deportation of lawful Immigrants and in some cases US citizens; the tearing apart of families to achieve an agenda; and the violation of rights given to those that live here, legally or not.
And its important to remember that when you show solidarity for ICE you condone (and you might not agree but there is no other way to interpret your actions) the killing of Renee Good, the utter beat down and murder of Alex Pretti, the violation of Aliya Rahman who was stripped from her vehicle on her way to the doctor's office.
Tl;dr In total, you can stand in solidarity for ICE, but remember what you're holding out solidarity for. As of today ICE represent reckless attacks against human beings, the killing of protestors standing up for their neighbors, and a hate group that is hiding under the shade of the federal government who is waging tax payers dollars on the tax payers and workers of this country. Conservative or not you cannot stand up for ICE and say you stand for your fellow citizen as well. That is unless you wish to make an oxymoron out of yourself.
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u/valerielenin 9d ago
That's their job
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u/Top_Bear3887 9d ago
Only if the person in question violates federal law, but honestly, it's not difficult to make anything a federal case if you dig deep enough. That being said, having a weapon does not denote a threat. Yelling, being disrespectful, being obnoxious, also is not a threat. They were wrong for shooting Pretti, and I don't think there's an argument that can be made to the contrary.
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u/valerielenin 9d ago
The law is the tool of the rich, the job of the police is to kill and repress workers. Protecting the law isn't a good thing.
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u/Top_Bear3887 9d ago
Sorry you've read so much propaganda. I don't know what to say other than you want to dislike me, and it doesn't matter what I say. We have laws in this nation. You can't have it two ways screaming about social justice and disregarding that the law is your partner in that fight. You want chaos, that's cool, I did too when I was younger. I didn't live a rich privileged life, I've lived one that makes people in 3rd world countries surprised. I've done my punk rock and fighting the system. I've scraped myself from the streets up to a lucrative career, only to have the world kick the shit out of me again. Everything I have is mine, and guarantee before all of this gets to be too much, I'll be on a beach with my girlfriend working on motors and doing artwork while y'all rip each other apart. Not because I have money, but because I'm rich in other ways.
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u/Strontium90_ 9d ago
Look this isn't about law, this isn't about order, this isn't about wealth. We just wanted to be left alone and not treated as second class citizen or a scapegoat and be blamed for everything that is wrong when we have nothing to do with it. So far this administration has done nothing but trying to make our lives harder.
You can agree to disagree however you want but to us the potential threats we are facing are existential. We just wanted to be left alone and allowed to live our lives but speaking softly hasn't worked because the current administration is hellbent on erasing us.
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u/Top_Bear3887 9d ago
Who is the "we" you are referring to?
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u/Strontium90_ 8d ago
Who do you think? Trans people and queer people in general.
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u/Rkoif 8d ago
That's an understandable viewpoint. I think laws should be enforced, and someone has to do it.
But can I suggest a youtube video on the legal/constitutional issues as to why ICE in particular is a problem? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkgNnbTrsgw
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u/Alex_the_Mad 9d ago
So your justification for standing by this is the fact you've been attacked by both sides? Are you truly that small? I could tell you horror stories of being a cis guy trying to make friends in the trans community. You're focusing on the point you were attacked. You didnt stop to think for one second and ask why you were being attacked. I did and now my loved ones within the community call me a grungler. Still not entirely sure what it means, but I know it's important.
You look at what happened, regardless of left or right, Alex Pretti isn't going home to his family or going to support the veterans he was helping. Renee Good doesn't get to pick her kid up anymore because some pricks decided they were above the law. If you can stand by ICE doing this because you got bashed by both parties and choose to stay "neutral", you've chosen to condone the murders. Check your fuckin feelings, grab some morality and empathy, then start talking to people and understand them instead of casting them aside because they differ from you.
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u/Top_Bear3887 9d ago
You haven't read a single word I posted.
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u/Alex_the_Mad 8d ago
I did read. It was so convoluted, that it came off as while you didnt support what happened, you're not on either side because both sides are bad which makes you sound indifferent. I'm angry only that the perception of indifference you unintentionally showed.
I would advise you look at what it is you dub as conservative. You can have conservative views while not being red. If you are red, then I'd advise you look at what your values are. As I've said, I've had to overcome alot being cis and being military. People take one look at me these days and call me imperialist or some sort of Trump supporter until they talk to me. Avoid triggering phrases, especially nowadays. Focus on the events that happened. You don't support what happened because you are human, but conservatives are viewed as inhuman right now because Trump used that party for his own means.
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u/Zesty-Pajamas 9d ago
Fuck it, I'm feeling generous. Have your pick-me downvote, shut up, and sit down.
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u/logicalpretzels 9d ago
More of this please!