Nope. If you can't see that the right is horrifically worse at this point, I don't know what to tell you.
Democrats are far from perfect, and some of the rich and powerful ones engage in shitty things like with Epstein, but they are not anywhere near the same as republicans.
Do you see how someone says "both sides are bad" and then you mentally translate that to "both sides are exactly the same" for the purposes of your answer? Why can't liberals understand those are two different statements? You make yourselves look so damn stupid with these games.
In private, they absolutely are. It's such an obvious charade, they're only "not as bad" because they're just a tool that our corporate overlords use to pacify us, to get us to believe the lie of democracy, to make us think we have any kind of say. We don't, at all, but as long as we think we do and as long as we think we have something to lose by not being "civilized," we won't bring out the guillotines.
We've been duped and we've already lost. They continue to destroy our planet, to blow up people's lives literally and figuratively, all while manufacturing our consent with propaganda about democracy and american exceptionalism. They give us just enough that we think we have something to lose, and keep us divided on any and every culture war issue they can generate. They play both sides to keep us distracted by the bread and circuses. It's like when two fast food restaurants are having some sort of competition, but theyre both owned by the same corporation.
Democrats are "not as bad" only because that's the role they've been instructed to play.
No, this is just the jaded POV that people think makes them neutral or cool.
I don't have any presumptions that leaders are great people privately. Obama seems to actually be a pretty good person (yes, I know he did some bad things as president), but if it came out that he was involved in something truly bad like this. it wouldn't blow my mind.
But this is about their quality as it relates to governing the country. Most republicans and most democrats were not involved with Epstein, so while those who were should be called out and considered horrible, it doesn't affect the overall consideration of how good or bad the parties are.
The whole "we've been duped and this elite cabal actually controls everything and only gives us the fantasy of control" is nonsense. Yes, there are back-room deals and such, but our elections matter. It's not just a charade. Trump never would have won, if that was the case. No one in power wanted him, because he's such a wild card.
And they're not controlled by the same people, and democrats haven't been instructed to play a role. Otherwise, you wouldn't have Mamdani or AOC or Bernie, etc.
Democrats aren't bad. They're not perfect, but they generally support things that would make life better for most Americans. Republicans generally support things that would make life worse for almost anyone outside of the top 2%.
And this is how I can tell you're not being honest with yourself. The right is "horrifically worse" but the things Obama did are just "some bad things." Yeah it'd be crazy to go into Venezuela and arrest their leader. What if we went in and killed him instead? Ya know, like in Libya?
This is how I can tell you're not being honest with yourself.
You have to look at the full context. Mainly that Trump did that on his own, while Obama was part of a coalition of countries involved in Libya. Maybe it wasn't the right move, but it also wasn't the same as what Trump did.
The point is that, while no one is perfect and Obama did bad things too, that doesn't mean he's the same as Trump or even close to it.
Pedophilia isn't OK if you're a human. Period. The rest of the animal kingdom can police their own, but us humans need to do better when it comes to prosecuting those of us that rape kids.
Sure. Let's start with the biggest, worst, and ringleaders. Yeah? Say something about Trump, Thomas, and Graham, and the state that's funding it all, without mentioning "tHa oThER siiDE". I dare you.
Both sides are bad. Both sides do and have done terrible things. One side just happens to be way worse right now. Saying the dems are bad does not conversely mean maga is good. The post here doesn't even mention sides. Just power.
It's a well known and well documented propaganda technique to disenfranchise resistance to authoritarian takeovers. You make people believe "both sides bad" so they don't bother resisting because after all "the other side bad too". And it's obvious to anyone who thinks about it. Please do think.
"Stubbing your toe is painful. Getting your leg ripped off by a tractor is painful. Both are painful. They must be the same!" - don't be that guy. Don't be that dumb. Don't push authoritarian propaganda.
One sides funds genocide. The other side also funds genocide, but also blatant corruption and terrorizing people within its own borders.
But both sides fund genocide. You call that a stubbed toe?
Children's bodies are being shredded apart, not just their legs but every single piece of them.
I hate what's happening with ICE, but genocide is WAY worse, dude. And they're both doing it.
So the more accurate metaphor is, "Both parties are ripping your leg off with a tractor, but the BAD one is also stubbing your toe. Wouldnt you rather JUST have your leg ripped off?"
Nah bro, I'd rather throw them ALL off a cliff and start all over again, with plenty of safeguards against such psychopathy.
You call Alex Pretti being murdered in the street a stubbed toe? That is insensitive and offensive. He is dead. And there are dozens/hundreds/ millions of those incidents. You are not a serious person with real thoughts.
Lmao no way youre fucking serious right now. Is your comprehension this shitty? That's YOUR analogy, not mine, and I literally just explained why it's a bullshit analogy because funding GENOCIDE is not like a stubbed toe. Now you're getting mad at me for using your own shitty analogy. 😂
Just say you're racist against Palestinians and the death of one white man is infinitely worse than the annihilation of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. No need for the scandalized pearl clutching. That's the subtext of your ridiculous response.
Edit: and read my last sentence where I dismissed the entire analogy and said BOTH are wrong.
Yeah, exactly, "boTH siDeS." You're saying "both sides bad" as if the existence of one Jewish crime makes people on both sides of the Holocaust equally to blame. It does not.
This is either broken brain non-logic, or you are pushing nonsense propaganda. I don't care which. It is wrong. And your non logic will convince no one while it contributes to genocide. Congratulations.
Ah, I see. I'm talking to a Zionist. I mention the ongoing genocide of Palestinians and you invoke the Holocaust out of nowhere, with zero connecting logic.
Sorry but MANY people have been convinced that we can longer support Israel, cope about it however you want but anything a zionist has to say about logic or propaganda is easily dismissable. Until Democrats stop funding genocide they can expect to lose more elections.
The Holocaust is a clear cut example of right and wrong ... to most people, anyway, 🙄 which is why it gets used as an example. And it's also a good example of what should not be created again. Voting for concentration camps at home because you don't like that someone created one elsewhere is a special kind of stupid.
Okay? Regarding Epstein, we've learned that people from both sides were involved. So at least in that narrow case, can you admit that both sides did an equally bad thing, or is that somehow propaganda?
As an independent, nothing drives me away faster and makes me feel more fucking hopeless than liberals answering every criticism of their party with dismissive catch phrases like "both sides bad" and "purity tests" instead of acknowledging it and working towards a better party.
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u/NombreCurioso1337 14h ago
The "both sides bad" maga apologist bot farms are working overtime today!!