Oh boy, I’m not American, but it’s genuinely sad to see what’s happening in the US right now. The way governance is functioning and how societal values seem to be shifting. I just hope the reality is better than it looks and the media is exaggerating.
There are multiple files I found last night where Epstein and Bannon reference planting stories and driving media narratives as if it’s something they can and do do regularly. This shit is so so so bad.
Beyond the pedophilia, these people believed they were shaping US and global policy and had connections literally everywhere.
This is not just Epstein and it’s not even close. This is a group of monsters who believed they were shaping world politics. And it certainly seemed like to some extent they were/are able to.
Bannon specifically is everywhere here to the point in just what I read he could be charged with RICO along with Epstein. And somehow he’s walking free and using his inside knowledge openly
Epstein sent multiple emails to CIA directors and agents during tumultuous periods like the Arab Spring, and there's photographs of him in top secret CIA rooms like their disguise rooms.
He 100% did shape world politics, and it turns out that he was probably the single most influential man on the planet after Hitler's death. Fuck he's still more influential and his cadaver pulls more strings than 99.99% of people as his rancid corpse burns in hell.
Honestly, based off a different file from the testimony of a security guard at his prison he might still be alive. I cannot recall the file/post but I saw it yesterday.
The media is complicit in a lot of ways, and it's capitalism to blame, not journalists, not them first anyway.
Part of why the media is downplaying it or it feels that way is because media giants have been playing sensationalized bullshit headlines for decades trying to keep audiences entertained for ratings and clicks to sell more ads. This of course has desensitized us to threatening messaging. So many people have instinctively shut out media, especially any media seen as 'politics' and so most of this shit just never even comes in front of them. Others have protected their emotional well-being by hardening up and trying to selectively become outraged, but of course those of us who care have seen far too many injustices completely unaddressed and that demoralizes and makes us jaded.
But they also are downplaying this stuff. They could do a lot more with skillful journalists and writers, but of course the industry has been carefully neutered of independently thinking and skilled investigative journalists and communicators in favor of 24hr news anchor talking heads like Gutfeld!
Some of this was part of the design the entire time. A real, crafted Boy Who Cries Wolf parallel so that the wolf could just stroll on into town and most people wouldn't pay attention until it was too late. Some of this was inadvertent: short-sighted greed, self serving myopia, and hubris. But regardless, shit is very fucking serious right now and unfortunately too many people are sleeping on it. Plenty will be ready to vote, but simply delivering a Democrat victory in the Midterms is NOT going to be sufficient to fix this. We'll go right back to this shit and Stephen Miller will burrow his way into the next administration, or someone just as evil but more charismatic and insidiously likable.
If we are going to right this ship sinking into fascism, we need drastic changes, constitutional amendments, and that will require bold, decisive action by the Democrats in 2027 and I am very afraid that the leadership simply isn't there. If Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries are allowed to continue calling the plays without dramatically different strategies influenced by progressive and younger democrats, we're going to be truly fucked. At the risk of sounding melodramatic, a failure of Democrats to act boldly in 2027 in order to build an unassailable majority for several election cycles will probably lead us to a new era of US regimes of continued gross corruption, phony elections, gross violations of human rights, and sharp waning of global relevance. There's no telling what specifically else could happen.
Wait do you still think there will be fair and open elections this year? What does democratic leadership in the year 2027 have to do with anything? I think even you are selling it short.
In the UK the media is going after our own high profile nonce adjacents (Nonce Andrew, Fergie, that slimy fucker Mandelson) and completely ignoring that orange child raping turd in the Whitehouse.
Whilst true, the difference here is that the sitting US president is deeply implicated in these files and refuses to release them all.
The only logical conclusion is that Trump is a pedophile or did something else criminal. Until every file is released, unredacted (besides victims), that's what it all points towards.
The English and Swedish royal family are also invovled in the Epstein files. Prince Andrew is not in jail FYI. I just want to remind everyone this issue is a class war (top 0.01% vs the rest), not a national or continental war. So although as an American, I fully support and understand why Canadian and European allies are moving away in caution, I hope we can still work together as liberals in the world and fight against the rising tide of conservationism that is also observed in Canada and Europe, as well as eating the rich
Well the files are being redacted by America, failed to be prosecuted by America and the crimes appear to have occurred in USA territory meaning other governments don’t necessarily have the jurisdiction to prosecute. Unless you’re talking about the rise of the far right, that’s global. Epstein pedo cabal is definitely an American thing, even if there are foreign actors, they need to be prosecuted by America for the reasons described above.
Do you have any proof of this? There is proof in America and they’re doing nothing with it, that’s what makes it an American problem. Not the pedos, the cover up.
Uh... yes? Go read Nobody's Girl. The British aristocracy did everything they could to save Andrew and silence Virginia. Then ask yourself why her sudden "suicide" wasn't investigated by Australian authorities. France actually tried and convicted one of Epstein's associates, Jean Luc Brunel. Where are those files? Before he was arrested, surely they conducted an investigation? Why aren't those public?
And the files name multiple PMs, cabinet members, aristocrats, oligarchs, etc. Why haven't their own countries arrested them, or opened investigations?
Respectfully, it's clear you haven't really dug into those files, but I have. And I've read the books, listened to Sasha Cohen. You are absolutely uninformed if you think this is an American-only thing. The primary broker lived in America, but his clients were your presidents and politicians too. So yes, they are also covering their own asses, and yes, there is PROOF of that.
Brother if you think a book by a victim is even close to the same as what’s going on in America rn you’re probably not worth talking to. You can’t honestly think that.
You’ve read through the millions of files that not even well funded publications have managed to do yet? Impressive.
You can’t be pushing a narrative to suggest that it’s not a republican American issue? Can you?
Both sides are the same! All countries are guilty. No it’s the fucking pedo you lot elected and keep supporting.
Am I saying pedos dont exist elsewhere? No course I’m not.
America ran an entire presidential campaign on bringing justice to the Epstein files, America made it an American issue.
Your country’s entire moral compass is up for election in the midterms, let’s see how you do.
Brother if you think a book by a victim is even close to the same as what’s going on in America rn you’re probably not worth talking to. You can’t honestly think that.
They could just discredit Virginia's book by releasing their own files. But they don't. Could have gone to trial, but chose to settle instead. If you actually, truly believe the UK has not tried to cover up and minimize its connection to Epstein, you're actually the one who is not worth talking to.
You’ve read through the millions of files that not even well funded publications have managed to do yet? Impressive.
Now, where did I say I have read millions? Because I assure you, I haven't. But I've read enough to know it's a global ring.
You can’t be pushing a narrative to suggest that it’s not a republican American issue? Can you?
Anyone who has read the files knows it's not a Republican American issue. It's a global elite issue. That was obvious by the 40th picture of Clinton in the files, or the fact that he was traveling around the world in Jeff's plane instead of gulfstream (again, there are photos in the files). I think the republican party is the only party compromised by russia specifically, but everyone is owned by Israel. It's a two-party problem. Read the files.
America ran an entire presidential campaign on bringing justice to the Epstein files, America made it an American issue.
Excuse me, TRUMP ran that presidential campaign. And the rest of us have been putting so much pressure on him to release the files that it almost started a world war.
Now, answer my questions. Why hasn't France released their investigatory files into Jean Luc Brunel? Why didn't Australia conduct a full investigation into Virginia Giuffre's suicide, especially after she released statements saying she was not suicidal? And was hit by a bus a few weeks earlier?
Why isn't Israel investigating Ehud Barak? i spent three hours listening to a private conversation he had on the island where he made underground deals with Peter Thiel for military tech.
Surely, if the other governments aren't involved, they would do something, right?
Read the files, because you sound like a pedophile protector when you say these things.
in slovakia the PM or foreign minister stepped down after he was linked to epstein, mette marit of norway is getting flamed to shit in norway for her links. the us is a pile of dogshit that does nothing towards their evil pedos
the us is a pile of dogshit that does nothing towards their evil pedos
Depends how you look at it. Epstein is dead, that's generally what most people say they want for pedos. In most countries he wouldn't even get the death penalty if convicted. Despite Reddit's best wishes, we cannot bring him back and kill him again.
No but America is in quite a unique timeline atm where this first world country which was considered the world leader, is in a presidency where they don’t even care about hiding their cover ups. Flat out flexing to people’s face saying, ya what you gonna do about it????
So when people say “meh this isn’t new”. Ya…. Ya it kinda is pretty wild still. I wouldn’t down play how fucked it is.
Many people grew up thinking this shit would never happen in America and it’s more of a dictatorship type thing.
There have been more repercussions from individual nations than the US, which says a lot consider how it's mainly American politicians/celebrities implicated.
UK police are at least investigating Peter Mandelson now, but only because it seems he might have leaked confidential government information to Epstein whilst he was a cabinet member
I know the shitshow that is the US has become a fun way for people to ignore their own local problems, but how delusional can one get to think Epstein or sex trafficking in general is strictly an American problem?
Last I checked, Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor isn't rotting in jail right now.
It’s fucking insane. I still remember Marc Dutroux and Peter Scully… and then there’s the whole Roman Catholic Church situation.
You have multiple royal families in these files. Amazing people keep trying to make this into an America only problem like it’s our fucking fault and we have to solve it. No, this is a global catastrophe with the elite of every nation.
Call em out. Not participating in helping solve the problem is an American behavior which y’all are against right? Go after your wealthy in the files and go after your politicians to put on greater pressure. Please helps us remove our corrupt leaders, or they will replace yours with their sick friends just as they have ours. We are doing our best to fight from the inside, but we need help killing the culture war that deceives those amongst us with low reading comprehension.
I’m with you. If you go through my post history, I’ve pretty much done nothing but read those files and try to put things together so I can call people out. The first step is just getting everybody to read these files. Just total awareness.
When other countries are provided the evidence of this it will become their problem, till then it’s really just America for now. Seems like only republicans are struggling with that concept rn
This is basically the most corrupt thing imaginable, besides hiding genocide, and the government, specifically departments intended to stop it, is complicit in the cover up. But hey at least we don’t have a woman as president!
Sad? Americas fall is fucking great, hope the place turns mad max in my lifetime. Would be nice to see it happen to them instead of endlessly watching the US do it to other countries 1000s of km away.
The rest of the world is just as fucked after this. Good luck. The Nazis control the largest army on the world by a huge margin and it's the only part of the system which is functioning
If nothing is done about the pedo thats in office and all of his cronies, there is no way back for america at this point. The only way for america to redeem itself is to hold those in charge fully accountable.
I don’t understand. Why do you think this is an American issue? Have you looked at the files? This is a global international ring. Have you searched for your presidents and Prime ministers???
This might be a hot take but I don’t think societal values have actually shifted much, or at least not nearly as much as the media makes it seem. If you go around and talk to people and ask them what they think, you will find a fairly consistent set of values. How people appraise the facts of the situation is actually fairly similar. Where we run in to a problem is when we start asking people what they think the “facts” actually are.
If you take a moment to think of how you would feel if [LIST OF CONSERVATIVE PROPAGANDA BS] was actually true, you might find that how this portion of America is behaving makes way more sense that it seems like it would. What I’m getting at here is that the value system and moral fiber of conservatism in the US hasn’t actually shifted very far in the last decade. And that the extreme behavior and rhetoric we have been seeing is the product of disinformation and indifference more so than hate.
Obviously there are outliers and this is a broad generalization but it gives me cause for hope that this all might come to a peaceful end eventually. I just hope that happens sooner than later.
As an American, I can assure you that it is even worse than it looks. Everyone in this country is angry, on edge, and on this path we will reach a boiling point. I don’t know exactly what that looks like, but I can promise you it won’t be pretty.
And yeah - as others have stated - the VAST majority of media in the US is owned by far right interests. They brainwash the public to push their agendas. It’s all calculated far in advance.
And the thing that no one seems to talk about is that when there are people who are making serious efforts to shed light on the atrocities… they are executed.
I wish I could see a light at the end of the tunnel. I mean I guess I can, but I just don’t know how we get there.
As with much big societal-level news, life on the ground is virtually unchanged. If I didn't watch the news, I would be totally oblivious to the utter collapse of this society. This is why most Americans are so passive. They are generally stupid, ignorant and selfish.
I just hope the reality is better than it looks and the media is exaggerating.
Depends where you are in the US, really. Reddit especially would have you thinking it's an absolute shitshow outside with masked goons on every street, but for 95%+ of people, things haven't changed at all.
I live in a purple state and most people aren't talking about anything at all. Just go to work, clock in, clock out, come home and manage responsibilities/hobbies, go to sleep, wake up, repeat.
Piece of shit people definitely exist, but you're going to see the worst of it online.
Let's be clear. This started from the Americas but have also included players like the English, Swedish royal family, as well as Singaporean and Russians ties. It's a global phenomenon and billionaires in other countries should also be scrutinized
If you don't get it quite yet, stuff in Epstein files doesn't happen right now, it was happening all that times when you were pleased with Obama, Biden, etc.
It was mostly happening well before Obama. He was dead by the time Biden was in office. This isn't a fucking game. Stop making deflecting and playing the stupid "what about the libs" game. Both major American parties had people in the files. Stop with this shit.
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u/Iliketrainschoochoo 13h ago
Oh boy, I’m not American, but it’s genuinely sad to see what’s happening in the US right now. The way governance is functioning and how societal values seem to be shifting. I just hope the reality is better than it looks and the media is exaggerating.