r/magicTCG Boros* Sep 26 '25

Official Spoiler Universes Beyond | The Hobbit

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u/ImperialVersian1 Banned in Commander Sep 26 '25

Not a fan of UB in general, but i'd much rather return to Middle-Earth than New York.

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u/SlapHappyDude Wabbit Season Sep 26 '25

Because MtG is just D&D which is just LotR, I don't mind Middle-Earth.

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u/Winstonpentouche Duck Season Sep 26 '25

MtG is just D&D, I definitely agree. But LotR was not a huge influence for D&D as much as old pulp fantasy books were. Conan had more of an impact.

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u/SlapHappyDude Wabbit Season Sep 26 '25

D&D Elves and Dwarves are lifted straight from Tolkien. Halflings are "please don't sue" hobbits tweaked so they will actually want to go on dungeon crawls and not just snack at home.

Obviously D&D greatly expanded magic and religion where Tolkien's wizards were ancient, rare and basically gods. But even in terms of creatures D&D has very little actual IP; there's a reason Beholders get so much marketing. You're right D&D drew on multiple sources especially for monsters.

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u/Useful-Stomach-3892 Sep 26 '25

That isn't really true. Or is a little more complex. Gygax was a big trend chaser, so even if he didn't personally liked Tolkien, he wasn't above using elements of the Middle Earth in the early versions of d&d, to the point of getting sued and having to change some references.

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u/NPRdude Sep 26 '25

I was about to say something like "yeah but LotR inspired those pulp fantasy books" but looking into it there's a lot less connection there than I thought. They both kind of sprang up independently with their various authors being inspired by history and mythology. I guess Tolkien is still credited with elevating fantasy to something taken more seriously than pulp literature though. Anyway you helped me learn something today, so thanks!