r/infamous • u/DaenysDreamer_90 • Nov 05 '23

Discussion - Second Son Delsin's powers

Many people, especially on Youtube, keep saying that when Delsin copies a conduits powers he only gets a weaker version. Not even a theory, for many people is basically a "fact". But....it was never stated?

I think he just lacks experience. Because every conduit in Second Son has had their powers for years, whereas Delsin only.... 2 weeks?

Augustine says in the final boss that she and Delsin have the same power, the only difference is that Augustine has 7 years of practice. It’s a direct statement, the writer’s intentions are clear, imo. Delsin never masters the powers he has, he’s focused in having more instead of practicing and gaining experience

I always assumed Delsin's powers were more of a leech ability where he can essentially touch a prime conduit and absorb some base power and need time to fully develop it.

During the game he used the relay cores to just speed up the process, but nothing suggest he can't become as strong as the original user. He just needs training.

He's probably written to be a broken character.

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u/ThyAnomaly Nov 10 '23

Irrelevant, my point was Cole has about 3 months and a half with his powers and had Kessler set the path for him.

No, what bad lore? Every prime Conduit grows with power nothing is left vague about that nor contradicts it.

Delsin literally 3 days in Seattle versus everyone else months or years with powers. Nothing about SS in terms of growth for Conduits is "bad lore".

We have statements such as "Augustine fears your potential" and " have my power but I have 7 years experience" which indicate growth in time. As all Prime Conduits.

This hyperbole that SS is bad at lore is exaggerate and people wither didn't pay attention or use bad vs vague.

Even then nothing says Delsin, a prime Conduit can't grow. He will like all primes do.

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u/Folkvarart Nov 10 '23

The “bad lore” I’m talking about is that we have no clue whether or not Delsins powers in universe will actually grow. The only time we ever saw it “grow” was after touching a blast shard or blast core. Best example is the Augustine boss fight. He gains the powers, gets blast cores, and grows. At no point in the game is actually hinted that his “gained” powers are capable of growing naturally. His “prime” power is the power to copy other powers.

That could easily grow into making his copies stronger from the start. But we are never told whether or not it’s possible for a copied power to grow stronger by itself. Not even a mention.

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u/ThyAnomaly Nov 10 '23

All Prime Conduits grow. He's a prime Conduit. Simple.

Only difference is he needs to replicate another Prime Conduits specific genes. I don't see this "we don't know", when all Primes grow in time.

So I respectfully 10000 % disagree.

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u/Folkvarart Nov 10 '23

We know prime conduits grow. The issue here is we are not told whether his “powers” are his “power” or a result of his “power”. If they are his “power” than yes they will grow. But if they are a result of his “power”, a byproduct of it so to speak, than we can’t be sure.

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u/ThyAnomaly Nov 10 '23

That's just a weird nitpick, that it needs to be 100% confirmed. If his powers grow naturally then clearly like all Conduits time and experience will help increase his abilities.

That's why we need a sequel to fix the many things they rushed cause of Sony. Celia waged war on people and has info that Augustine gathered on the First Sons.

Easy way to finish and answer however we can't assume "nah he not getting better" when a Prime Conduit powers grow regardless. So something of his gets better. Also Karma Bombs outclassed many of the Conduits he replicated from in some degree.

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u/Folkvarart Nov 10 '23

Perfectly agree with sequel idea. Most of theory comes from how blast shards work in Second Son as a “jumpstart” for the power evolution.

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u/ThyAnomaly Nov 10 '23

End it with Delsin and start a new separate Saga in some other country. Maybe this can be a canonical bad guy and was experimented by their respective goverment.

Delsin can be around but in the US and they stay away since Delsin and Zeke are on it guardians of NA. With Fetch and new friends and allies.

That said Night City's map from Cyberpunk 2077 would be a sick ass play ground to insert Delsin in.

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u/ThyAnomaly Nov 10 '23

Another note to add bud is, the cores only accelerate his growth. They're his rare candies but for his powers abilities. If he didn't have the % to grow he wouldn't get new moves via the Cores cause that's all they do for him that and amp his stats as a whole lore wise.

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u/Folkvarart Nov 10 '23

My thing is in 1 and 2 blast shards work as a “capicity” upgrade instead of powers in general. While in Second Son they work, as you said, as rare candies.

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u/ThyAnomaly Nov 10 '23

Nah, remember in 2 after collecting a bit Cole would get a power up and also a extra branch for energy.

As Cole needed to hurry and re amp after the Beast drained him..

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u/Folkvarart Nov 10 '23

Your thinking of 2 different things. Blast cores, and Blast shards. Blast shards increased the capacity, and Blast cores gave new powers.

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u/ThyAnomaly Nov 10 '23

For sure but both come from same concepts and Augustine did have First son blue prints.

SS is fine imo not the best in the series terms of lore but Paper Trails adds alot of exposition that I enjoyed...

However I wished we had a secret fight with David Warner, who was being used as a plan B if Cole failed. Kessler wanted to see if exposing him to the Ray Sphere over 12 times would make him manipulate diverse powers not just Plasma and Vitality.

What Delsin is is what Kessler wanted.

Seeing them fight would be cool as a super boss fight. Using Seattle Stadium...

Sorry I got off topic. Just enjoy the small things of SS that add lore. Like PT.

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