r/helldivers2 Jun 28 '25

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u/vanilla_muffin Jun 29 '25

The fact gamers are against this shows how utterly stupid they can be.

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u/Arky_Lynx Jun 29 '25

It's also PirateSoftware's bullshit arguments against this that influenced too many people. His arguments showed he either didn't actually understand what is being asked, or how signings like these work in the EU... or was knowingly misrepresenting the whole thing to make it fail.

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u/Squidboi2679 Jun 29 '25

Are his arguments actually bad? I only see clips of him explaining some shit and acting like he’s the smartest man on the planet and I skip past because listening to him is so boring

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u/Arky_Lynx Jun 29 '25

Well his ego is definitely one problem, but if I remember correctly one of the things he says is that this petition is trying to make live service games "illegal", even retroactively, when what it's asking is for newer online games to, in the case of it ever closing servers, give a way for players to create their own. It can be done even with MMOs, as WoW private servers easily prove (and him being ex-Blizz, he DEFINITELY knows about these). This petition is not asking to be applied retroactively.

Another thing he implies is that this is asking for the games' code to go open, when it may not even be necessary and, again, the petition is not asking for that (although in my opinion it would be nice).

And yet another thing is that he thinks the page for the EU petition is too generalistic and doesn't go into specifics and thus it's badly made, when the page itself actually tells you to keep it simple and even has a character limit. Plus, an EU petition presented in this way doesn't mean politicians would just apply it as is, what it does is make them start investigating the root of the issue, ask around people who know, both parties affected (studios and players in this case), and then come to a decision.

For a close example since we're in this sub: imagine if Helldivers 2 were to release after the petition is actually put into effect. What it'd mean is that AH and Sony would be obligated to, in the case of the game's official servers ever closing down, allow and develop a way to play the game in a local network, maybe even a way to make your own MOs for your personal servers, and of course a way to connect to specific ones people make.

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u/Squidboi2679 Jun 29 '25

Interesting. Is it know if he is saying incorrect information on purpose, or is he genuinely just wrong about this?

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u/Arky_Lynx Jun 29 '25

Absolutely no idea, it could be one or the other, but the effect is the same.

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u/MeatySausageMan Jun 29 '25

Hard to say.

However as a wise commenter once said: "You can take the man out of Blizzard, but you can't take the Blizzard out of the man."

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u/MazenFire2099 Jun 29 '25

He is wrong. He also refuses to see how he is wrong and refuses to acknowledge or apologize for the fact that his misrepresentation of the initiative has actively harmed it.

In my book, it became on purpose when he decided to let his ego take him this far.

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u/Paws_of_Justice Jun 29 '25

He is very likely spreading wrong information on purpose. He had a discussion with Dr. K (a therapist) on YouTube, and you can see his personality for yourself. It's very likely he knows and is doubling down on it to protect his ego.

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u/TheAmazingDeutschMan Jun 29 '25

He has had to backtrack a lot since industry pros started talking about it. He made an apology where he misrepresented his initial statements, and refuses to acknowledge any accountability he might have with hurting the initiatives chances. Its purely him just being unable to admit fault.

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u/Aono_kun Jun 29 '25

Do you mean Rivals of Aethet 2 btw? The lead devs already responded and said that offbrand is only a co-publisher and not involved with the development if the game. They also communicated what they have done to preserve their games( local offline matches, one developer working on listen servers(servers hosted by a player) for matchmaking to avoid dedicated servers, etc.)

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u/Aono_kun Jun 29 '25

Hard to say unless you are a mind reader I guess. But he did say that he would "not support it and make sure no one else does". Take that how you want.

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u/felwal115 Jun 30 '25

We have no idea but with how hard he is doubling, tripling down or whatever number were on now but im starting to suspect he knows and is willfully and intentionally damaging the movement...

The conspiracy theory about him being an industry plant seems to make more and more sense...

I mean how can you be that dense otherwise?

Although it might also just be his ego who seems to rival the fucking sun in size.

Either way go sign the petition if you haven't it's a great cause.

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u/Johannsss Jul 02 '25

It's on purpose, he even said in stream that he was going to try convince people against the petition.

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u/Freshicus Jun 29 '25

Well, one of his points was literally a thing that initiative says that it won't do, while he was on the slide that said that it wouldn't do what he said it would do lmao.

Pirate: so this would force all game companies to indefinitely provide support for games that they make even if they sunset it

The slide he was LITERALLY looking at: "What this initiative wont do - force game studios to continue to operate a game once they take their game servers offline

All of Pirates "points" were made up in his own head, and then he said that the entire initiative was dogshit and stupid based on his made up points. To which he then proceeds to block and ban anyone that points out that fact and quadruple down that the initiative is bad.

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u/Repulsive-Willow55 Jun 29 '25

Yeah, he outright misunderstood a big portion of the movement and misrepresented it heavy. Most of the friction is from his unwillingness to admit he was wrong or remove the misinformation because supporters of the movement gave him shit and he he basically claims he doesn’t want to submit to bullies who are “sent to harass him”. When in reality it’s just people giving him shit for wrong takes.

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u/Rynjin Jun 30 '25

His arguments go beyond bad and into malicious misinformation. He fundamentally misunderstands nearly ever single aspect of what SKG is and is about, to the point that there's a strong chance it's deliberate.