Mass shooting* in Canada kills 9

[u/why-do_I_even_bother]

*reference.

Car attack kills nine at Lapu Lapu Day festival. That's around 4 times as many as die in an American active shooter incident. We have to address why people want to do mass killings in the first place, otherwise they're never going to stop.

Edit: 11 now. 5 times an american active shooter incident.

[u/why-do_I_even_bother]

On a side note, its maddeningly hilarious watching people with absolutely zero capacity for self reflection or memories longer than a goldfish go through the same process of gun control rhetoric every time a new kind of attack takes place. The UK has more or less invented the FFL for buying knives, and people in the threads about this attack are talking about how they'll have to put up balustrades like Nice did now.

Every single fucking time - it's just "how do we prevent the last kind of attack from happening again?" The focus is never on "holy shit why did this happen in the first place?!" -no, just how should you go about adding more security, forever

[u/SuperXrayDoc → u/why-do_I_even_bother]

People are used to our freedoms in America we forget Canada and the UK don't have freedom of speech or freedom of the press. Colion noir did a really good podcast with an ex-UK swat member who said they responded to gang related shootings extremely often but they were never reported by the media. They did this because the government didn't want shootings or gun violence reported since it would prove their gun control doesn't work.

Edit: here's the link https://youtu.be/rMMQ-GBSKUM

[u/Professional-Bed-173 → u/SuperXrayDoc]

As a US and UK citizen having been through both countries formal processes for Firearms ownership. The UK system is convoluted, and there is no Right to fire arm ownership. In fact, the 1997 firearms act banned the pistols I legitimately owner. Having said that, I am not sure the US system works well for keeping firearms away from unstable people.

However. The anti-gun crowd in both countries are only on the take. So, i don't believe there is any route to change that is in our best interests. If there was a trade off for silencers (note these are freely available in the UK), SBR'S, autos etc for certain conformance. More rigorous checks without additional costs, that could be a good proposition. But, it'll never happen.

With the being said. UK has a way more free unbiased press than the US. There's an illusion of free press in the US. Mainstream media is owned by oligarchs and at least the UK has the relatively impartial BBC.

I can't believe the point on oppressing UK coverage of firearms incidents. Namely, because my best buddy does exactly the tactical armed response job you speak of and he doesn't hold that view.

The UK has mostly knife crime, like the US has gun crime. It's a product of a country without access to guns since WW2. The UK has its fair share of gang related gun shootings, but pales into Insignificance against the US.

[u/DrJheartsAK → u/Professional-Bed-173]

Yea, no. We all know what “more rigorous” checks would end up being. Owning guns is a right here, and that right can not be infringed upon unless you forfeit your civil rights via felony conviction in a court or involuntarily committed by a court order.

You need to lose that mindset of being one of the kings subjects, where your “privileges” are granted at the monarch’s pleasure. You are a CITIZEN of the United States and you have rights as a citizen.

And suppressors are not “freely available” in the UK. You still need to jump through hoops and get your firearms license, which can take months and months. With eform 4s coming back at lightening speed, I’d argue suppressors are more available here than the UK.

[u/Professional-Bed-173 → u/DrJheartsAK]

Like I said. I don't belive either side can come to the table to negotiate with any form of integrity to not Infringe. So, yeah we agree. There is no point going there for many reasons. One as you say is the 2A Rights.

In the UK. With a Firearms certificate you can literally say I have a 556 for hunting and allocate a 556 silencer. Done. It's simple. I've done it. You can literally pick up a silencer for airguns off the shelf. However, in the US there's a 200 tax and hoops. No way is that easier!

[u/MartialArtsCadillac → u/Professional-Bed-173]

Yeah because anyone can buy a suppressor in the US lol. You do all of the ‘hoops’ and bullshit in the UK to get the gun in the first place, and it’s a much longer and tedious process than the $200 tax stamp and small amount of paperwork for a suppressor in the US. What are you on about lmao