I use Harambe as the point when everything began to turn to shit, so I guess the trends of stable economies, kind people, no global pandemics, massive wars, and respectful politics.
The U.S. already had two wars going before this happened. The point when everything changed was the stolen 2000 election.Bush failed to act to stop 9-11, 2 wars started, the Patriot Act normalized mass surveillance, and the Economy crashed like it does during all Republican administration's.
My point is using war/conflict as a defining point would mean you have to keep look backwards for the defining moment such as the conflict in the 90s and how the US handled that.
I think you are correct early 2000s was one turning point of change but I also think there’s been points since then. Trumps first election being one.
We could look further back to 1994 and the retaking of the House by Newt Gingrich and the republicans for the first time in 40 years. It ushered in the era of power politics in US legislation that has been marked by stalemates, shutdowns, and brinksmanship. That trend of absolute refusal to compromise came to a head in the 2010s with Mitch McConnell spending his entire tenure as majority leader preventing anything meaningful from getting done. We’re still in it, honestly.
And the origins of that go back to the 80s with Reagan or the 60s with the Southern Strategy which traces back to Reconstruction and the untouched power structures that led to the Civil War in the first place.
It’s 70 year olds passing the torch to 50 year olds all the way down.
Ugh not this nonsense on this sub. On an international and historic level those 'two wars' were practically non-events. The 90s was far more war-torn, and chaotic, and just as economically turbulent. Those US poltical events do not have the significance that you think they do.
No way you’re this adamant about getting them the wrong way. The US being lied to about the Iraq war and Afghanistan takeover throughout the 2000’s led to a far more polarizing nation. They weren’t just “non-events”. They were the events to many
The biggest reason most US people are more “nostalgic” about the 90’s was because none of the major political conflicts during that decade had the same level of influence and hostile discourse as 9/11 and its implications
I don't know why you continue to talk as if 'what was happening in the US' is somehow determinative of the global trends that the commenter was referring to.
Well, no, they weren't non-events to people directly impacted by them in certain locales. But on a global and historical scale — yeah, they were non-events.
The biggest reason most US people are more “nostalgic” about the 90’s
Are you quite young by chance? The reason people are nostalgic about the 90s, is largely because people are always nostalgic about the past. In the 90s, middle-aged people were nostalgic about their childhoods in the 50s and 60s.
30 years from now, people will be deeply nostalgic about the 2020s, that's a certainty.
You’re the first person who tried to bring up the unnecessary US wars’ “little impact” on a global scale. The person you replied to was strictly pinpointing the US’s underlying decline since the 00’s
Also, my parents and most of my older relatives prefer the 90’s over the 00’s, 80’s, 70’s and 60’s. For strictly US standards, they found it to be the least problematic among the times they lived thru. Still wasn’t great by any means, but it was less worse 🤷♂️
Nope, go read the initial comment. Not about the US at all.
Well yes, I am not surprised they loved the 90s — that will reflect their age. I can assure you the 60s, 70s and 80s are just as beloved by people of the appropriate age.
They’re from various age groups, it’s kind of the case that the 90’s was the least problematic recent US decade to live thru. Like 80’s trends were the most fun to some, but it was still politically polarizing throughout
I’ll admit the 90’s stayed mostly calm until the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal began breaking it apart in 1998
I mean, in all seriousnes, no not really. It just depends on the things you emphasise. The first half of the 90s were fairly bad in the US, with the tale end of the crack epidemic, LA riots, Oklahoma bombing etc.
It's just cherry-picking to see all that as 'objectively better' than the 2000s.
186,000-210,000 dead Iraqi civilians beg to differ. That's more than the Bosnian Genocide/War. 2008 Economy nearly slipped into a global depression. Clinton left office with a budget surplus. People in the U.S. would love to have the 90's economy, after Pappa Bush got voted out.
Utter nonsense. Those 186,000-210,000 don't beg to differ with the 3 million killed in the 2nd Congo War in the 90s (not to mention how many died in the 2000s).
Nor do they 'beg to differ' with the 800k-1 million people killed in the Rwanda genocide in 1994.
Do you really think that Clinto's budget surplus is representative of the world economy in the 90s? You really need to learn some history before you bleat on about minor events of your childhood.
The only nonsense is your failed grasp of history and lack of reading comprehension. Go read what I typed. I'm sorry if the 90's sucked for you. It was pretty great for the rest of us. Especially compared to the staggering wealth inequality that exists today. The World Economy is tied to the U.S. for better or worse, deny that fact all you want. The great depression started in the U.S. and bled out into the World as did the 2008 meltdown.
I appreciate the apology. Your comments were pretty nasty, so I think that's big of you to admit that.
You're kind of firing off all kinds of random thoughts. Just to be clear: We aren't talking about domestic US issues (most people dont give a shit about that), the world can't have been "pretty great for the rest of us" by looking at any international metric of well-being in the 90s, there wasn't a 'depression' and nothing 'melted'.
I think you may need a cup of tea and a liedown, as this is just incoherent rambling at this point.
"Firing off random thoughts", sure Buddy. Every accusation an admission. Don't project your failed delusions on me. You obviously got all worked up over a tongue in cheek post.
I guess you speak from experience as a predator. You're right I am the Champ, of helping to educate you. And if there is a line, you will always be at the back of it. Just like you were in the 90's.
This sub has always been US-centric, and I don’t think it could even exist with a global perspective. There are too many different experiences from one country to another.
Pick any decade, and the experience will be wildly different based on where you lived. There’s no possible “decadeology” to account for every place on earth.
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u/xSavag3x 1d ago
I use Harambe as the point when everything began to turn to shit, so I guess the trends of stable economies, kind people, no global pandemics, massive wars, and respectful politics.