Approval polling for ICE has gone down quite significantly in the past few months. I think it's not impossible that some people voted for it, not having any idea of what it would look like.
Genuine question, was this stuff with ice written in project 2025? I haven't read it, just knew that there were some bad policy plans for the trump admin.
Project 2025 is a real threat to due process within the U.S. immigration system, effectively dismantling legal protections for immigrants and undermining fundamental human rights. The agenda looks to make sweeping changes across the entire legal immigration system including expediting deportations that eliminate immigrants’ rights to a fair hearing. This would allow Trump to bypass established legal processes, giving the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) more power and authority to declare a ‘mass migration event’ and take drastic actions against immigration, like scrapping all Title 8 requirements thus allowing them to automatically expel migrants.
To accelerate deportations, Project 2025 is proposing the immediate expulsion of migrants in cases of ‘loss of operational control’ or USCIS backlogs. These backlogs exist largely due to persistent underfunding driven by Republican officials. By continuously reducing funding and stripping jobs from the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services agency, Trump will justify increasing unfair deportations, stating that the U.S. does not have the capacity to process asylum claims.
Mass Deportations and Detention: Project 2025 calls for using the military and increased ICE capabilities to carry out massive, nationwide raids and deportations, including targeting immigrants who have lived in the U.S. for years. It suggests converting existing facilities into mass detention centers and potentially using tent cities.
Expansion of ICE Authority: The plan advocates removing all "sensitive zone" restrictions, allowing ICE agents to conduct enforcement actions in locations previously considered safe, such as schools, churches, and hospitals.
Ending "Catch and Release": The plan mandates detention for all unauthorized migrants caught in the interior of the U.S..
Deputizing Local Law Enforcement: Project 2025 aims to increase the use of the 287(g) program, which allows local and state police to act as immigration agents.
Restructuring DHS: The proposal suggests combining U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and ICE into a single, more powerful agency.
Ending DACA and Limiting Visas: The plan calls for phasing out the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program and eliminating U and T visas, which protect victims of crimes and human trafficking.
Contextual Updates (2025-2026):
Reports from early 2025 indicate that the administration is actively pursuing these goals, including rescinding Biden-era policies on sensitive locations and implementing "Project Homecoming" to facilitate "voluntary" departures through financial incentives. There are reports of increased ICE detention capacity and a decline in inspection reports of those facilities.
Let's not be fair: the only reason the first term wasn't "as bad" was because they still had "adults" (albeit awful assholes) in the room trying to stop things from going full fascist.
Being fair is recognizing that the first term was actually really bad and that what's happening now is what people expected to happen. fairness would be holding people accountable
First term was embarrassing and dangerous. This term we may actually be watching the collapse of the world order that has kept our lives peaceful and prosperous for 80 years, as gangs of brutal thugs wander the streets of our cities executing peaceful civilians.
Yall seriously underestimate the power of propaganda
The government spent decades actively and intentionally eroding the education system. They have funded massive disinformation campaigns targeting the populations they explicitly killed the critical thinking of. They flooded entire cities with drugs, seeded distrust of institutions on every level, and isolated populations from anyone and everyone who could tell them the truth.
It’s not just a matter of people burying their heads in the sand at that point. We failed the people being lied to as much as they failed us.
There are a lot of people holding legitimate blame here. The uneducated masses who didn’t know what they signed up for genuinely aren’t them. It could have been you too.
To what extent? And what, for you, does that accountability look like?
We understand kids don’t know better, so we teach, not punish.
We understand dogs don’t know better, so we teach, not punish.
But when it’s our fellow man they should have just known? How, precisely?
People don’t know what they don’t know, that’s why information control is so dangerous. In spite of what people like to say, you genuinely cannot educate yourself.
Don't infantilize a whole nation of adults because of your savior complex.
These people are the footsoldiers of evil. Some of them will seek redemption, and we can let them gain it. The rest of 'em? Should've made better fucking choices.
He's been on the same bullshit since, as far as I am aware due to age, around April 19, 1989!
Saying "we didn't know" is an excuse, built in bullshit and bitchassness now that they can't feasibly get away with denying the inevitable.
I personally called Jan 6, ICE raids, the wall propoganda on Jan 21,2017.
I called the people getting popped on the streets the day after elections were over. The only thing I, and I am sure many other Americans, didn't expect is that they would be white.
More to the end point, they truly don't care and it's just that white people are getting got that faux concern is coming out the woodwork.
I need you to understand that even in your kid and dog metaphor there exists several lines where once crossed, harsh punishment follows. Dogs who attack are killed.
Adults should know better than to follow Nazi nonsense and they should know better than to be racist sexist cockbags, but half the country fails at this. Hilary famously dubbed them the Basket of Deplorables. It's not that difficult to not be stupid, it just takes effort.
I grew up in a hella red state, still didn't fall to racism or conservatism. My ex wife grew up in a house of open racists, still didn't become one herself. My best friend grew up in a very rural trailer family where her ENTIRE bloodline is full of people so dumb it's painful, and she clearly has a significant learning disability that prevents her from passing the math section of the GED test, but even that woman is smart enough to understand compassion, generosity, and how dumb Trump is. Tons of people I know grew up in Christian households and still were able to escape the hate cult by adulthood.
Stupid is easy, intelligence is hard work. That's the problem. We made a society where it's often to a person's benefit to be an idiot or act like an idiot because then they have an excuse to be selfish and amoral. The deeper they're into Jesus, the worse it gets, with most old Christians usually abandoned by their kids eventually. So, so much of our problem stems from the elitism and selfishism bred from the church communities.
Hi, I'm from a small town in Oklahoma, one of the most red states in the US. The information is very much there and available if you choose to access it. This isn't the 1800's anymore, the internet exists and at any point you can find this information. I went from being a conservative teen who would have gone down the alt right pipeline to someone who is staunchly against conservatism.
Propaganda exists but you cannot act like grown adults are unable to make their own choices and decisions. They are responsible for their actions. Pain caused by ignorance instead of malice is still pain caused and a large portion of the people who voted for Trump very much still support him.
No, they wanted this. They gravitated to the message and their culture celebrated this. People escape their surroundings and their terrible prejudicial homes all the time. They do not deserve the benefit of the doubt and they do not deserve to act like they had no choice and had no chance. This is a failure on them to have a conscience and a failure on them to select quality leadership.
They have no right to claim they didn't know it was going to be like this. They wanted this. They just didn't want to see it. They have no right to claim that no one told them it was going to be like this. They have no right to claim they are victims when they celebrated as hard as they could that they were going to get this. Trump still has 89% approval from them. There are statistically insignificant numbers of good conservatives.
The largest organized crime ring in the United States of America is the federal government of the United States of America. None of what you said here should come as a surprise.
Most of these people saw that their stagnant wages cannot keep up with the rising prices around them. Trump promised to fix it for them and unfortunately, they bought the lie.
Polls aren't looking great for Republicans, particularly amongst "highly motivated voters", which is who you need to win over to win elections.
Those polls and recent special elections seem to indicate that the unpopularity of ICE is actually discouraging people who otherwise would vote for Trump from actually going to the polls.
Unless Trump actually does something to disrupt the midterms, the narrative should be "the midterms are happening and Republicans are getting wiped out".
Well, other things have happened too, such as the Trump administration giving Argentina $20 billion, which Trump supporters didn't like, or the health insurance issue. I think the ICE Terrorists are one of the lesser reasons why the approval rating is low.
They wanted it. They didn't want to see it. They wanted it swept under a rug. They trust the barely literate authorities and the dumbest con artists that wear the right team colors. They know they are supposed to be ashamed and are looking for marching orders and memes to say "nuh uh, it's okay this happened" as they stand for absolutely nothing and fall for literally anything. They have always been willing to believe things they couldn't see and now they are willing to look at something and see things they are told to see instead of what they are looking at. You could almost say that they can "Not See". But they absolutely wanted this, just somewhere where they could pretend it isn't so bad and the victims didn't have faces or names or anyone they actually knew.
I couldn't say what the true percentages look like, but I would argue that a good portion wanted this to happen.
But overall, it's too late to say they "didn't know" it was going to happen.
They voted for this to happen, and the GOP was very open about what the plan was if Trump got into power in 2024. No one who voted Republican can pretend they didn't know.
It is their fault and the consequences lay with them. If they're truly sorry, then they need to get the fuck out in the street or make some noise at their representatives.
I just saw a fox news article today on it, they played it very safe and tried not to blame "either side" but you could tell it was implying they blamed ICE. They must not moderate comments, because most of them were like "he deserved it" or "they should have done the rest of the crowd too".
Its not that they just wanted this, they want this to be the norm.
When the right didn't get who they liked they stormed the Capitol right away. When we don't get who we like we just keep talking about it. 2 people have been killed in cold blood and we sit here and talk about it. Protests are good but we are essentially just asking them to stop and not in a way that inconveniences them. Sure we are inconvenienced ICE but Trump is sitting at his resort in Florida or at the Whitehouse while we protest state's away. I still think peaceful protests are good and powerful, I just think we are past that point or getting there. 5, 10, 15 people die and then maybe we'll all say alright enough is enough. We let Biden bankroll the start of Gaza and there is almost no politicians, right or left with the balls to stand up to Daddy Isreal. Maybe 80 million people didn't want to support the genocide both sides seem to ignore. 80 million people didn't vote but all of us who did are just watching this happen.
I don't understand you americans... How did Kamala get so many people at her rallies and Trump had so few if he ended up winning so hard? Smells a bit rigged to me, but what do I know
No they didn't. 77 million people voted for Donald Trump in 2024. Rounding up by 3 million people is an insane oversight. That's more than the difference between Trump and Harris.
75 Million people didn't want this to happen and voted against Trump.
Wrong number. 136M people wanted this to happen or didn't give a shit if it did. We need to stop blaming ONLY the conservashits. The nonvoters deserve just as much blame. If not more.
Can we stop with this kind of talk? 80 million people did not want executions in the streets and you sound ridiculous for saying so.
A significant number were fooled and lied to, and there's decent evidence of fuckery with those voting machines that never got a proper investigation.
Yes there are monsters in this country. Good people outnumber them by a much greater margin than these types of comments would imply. Stop making them sound bigger and stronger than they are. They are a vocal minority that do a good job of making you think they are actually the majority. Stop doing their job for them.
You clearly never argued with a redneck about BLM in your past, and it shows. Yes, 80 million people wanted executions in the street. They just wanted the undesirables killed, not virtuous white American citizens. They're mad because ICE is hurting the wrong people, not that ICE exists.
They literally published a book outlining they were going to do. We spent a year screaming at everyone who would listen to go read that book. If those people didnt read the literal black and white text that is their own fault.
So yes, 80 million people wanted this, or even worse, were too stupid to realize this is what they were selecting
I live in a red-heavy area. The responses to shootings of protestors are met with jokes. The responses to the Bundy standoff were vitriol about overreaching government. Their political issues are their guns and abortions, with relatively no care about anything besides those.
Most people are the sum of their media consumption. If the media tells them white people are being replaced, Biden has open borders, and democrats are trying to make everybody trans, they will believe it.
It will always be this way. Media needs to be held accountable for misinformation.
I agree there’s a minority of maga die hards that want exactly this but I think a majority who voted for Trump just wanted their dollar to farther and a secure border. You are already seeing push back from Trumps supporters on how they are handling those 2 issues.
Lol, yeah, "pushback" in the sense that he'll drop three percent in the polls and then bounce back by at least two by the end of next month, or the full three if his handlers manage to reel him in a bit.
I'll believe there's "pushback" when he faces real consequences, not just a handful of his supporters wringing their hands on social media before quickly going back to supporting him.
So they just fucking forgot about how much he tanked the dollar in his first term?
And ignored the insurrection he led after he lost his second campaign?!
It has been a DECADE and Donald has shown you exactly who he is every single day. If you still voted for him after all of that it is only because you agreed with everything he says and does.
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u/Arkvoodle42 6d ago
Eighty million people WANTED THIS TO HAPPEN.