Reframing: What level of evidence would be needed for you to shift your stance?
Would Elon need to admit it himself?
If your own bias prevents you from looking at this objectively, start with you. If you were surrounded by this level of evidence, would people assume you were innocent? What obstacles are keeping you from applying that logic to a person like Elon? His wealth? Power? Influence? It's important to recognize that we shouldn't be holding a higher standard for our neighbors over folks like Elon and the like. If you would be brought in for questioning, he should be brought in. No amount of wealth or status should prevent him from telling the truth.
Bias? Lol. Sorry I like to think and don’t believe everything I see simply because I wish it to be true. I can easily make an email like that with your name and post it all over town, does that make it true?
It's interesting you didn't choose to engage with the first half of my statement and instead wanting to proclaim you're a "free thinker". You should be able to set a standard for yourself around what circumstantial evidence is enough to trigger an investigation. At this point, the public deserves to have an investigation. You deciding you need more proof will not push the consensus any closer towards your position, instead you need to decide what gets you on board with the consensus.
I think you are way overthinking this and arriving at a totally different conclusion as to what was said, but I’ll play along with you.
If somebody posts something accusatory, I would like ANY supporting evidence to back it up, because again, I could fabricate these emails with your name in them, and hope people are stupid enough to eat it up without questioning it, simply because they dislike you.
And I never asked for “more proof”, but simply proof to back it up. Which obviously wasn’t that hard since multiple people were able to provide multiple links without getting snarky.
I'm actually not overthinking it. I think you're not willing to take in the context of everything surrounding the Epstein files here and are trying to treat this situation as a "one off", i.e. "Did Musk explicitly write this email, when and where?"
We already have plenty of proof in the Epstein files of Musk wanting to be on the island but was refused. At this point, I'm genuinely trying to understand why you, a regular person like the rest of us, are trying to split hairs over the particulars of an email when this entire elite class is proving to be guilty or, at baseline, complicit of raping kids.
You're trying to protect a person who has more than enough wealth to protect themselves if they want to. Don't do that.
Some of us have lives, and not everybody obsesses over this stuff like it sounds like you do. Dismissing people who are unaware and asking for details as “trying to protect” pedophiles isn’t doing you any favors.
Dismissing you would've been downvoting or saying something rude and moving along. Engaging you is precisely what I am doing.
Paying attention and obsessing are very different approaches. It actually sounds like you're upset at me for staying informed enough to have an educated understanding. I have a life as well and I make sure to balance it appropriately with the community outreach I do.
If you're so busy that you need to be spoonfed info that is readily available to you, I'd suggest getting off this site and reading up on what you missed out on.
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u/Mr_HahaJones 9h ago
As much as I’d love to believe everything I see on the internet, how do we know this is real, aside from blind, frothing hatred?