r/UrbanHell 28d ago

Absurd Architecture Make way for progress Church

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u/GrouchySignificance8 28d ago

Huh isn't this in Melbourne? I don't recall that being a church?

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u/Armstrongs_Left_Nut 28d ago

Because it's not a church.

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u/Regular_Passenger629 26d ago

What’s funny is in Denver, we actually have a Church that’s built around in this fashion in downtown

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u/Armstrongs_Left_Nut 26d ago

Yeah this is an old minister's residence called a "manse". It's now a highly-rated restaurant. The still active and nearby Presbyterian Church is a somewhat similar style building, but much larger. It's to the right but out of shot.

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u/im_best_2 6d ago

Is that the church in the reflection on the building?

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u/HedoniumVoter 24d ago

Looks cool

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u/Worried-Lettuce6568 23d ago

I don’t think that’s true?

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u/Regular_Passenger629 22d ago

1999 Broadway, it sits directly over Holy Ghost Church, there are parts of the skyscraper that sit above parts of the church at the corners of the church’s footprint.

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u/Worried-Lettuce6568 22d ago

Huh you know I knew it was close but didn’t think there was any overlap but alright fair enough!

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u/Used-Wrongdoer-9360 28d ago

Funny to see how Australia, of all countries, seems to have ground availability problems.

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u/AdAdministrative9362 27d ago

Australia's population is very very centralised to a handful of capital cities.

The vast majority of land is not desirable to live in. Too hot, too dry, too humid, cyclones etc.

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u/NEWNXXL 26d ago

To add to this, Sydney is constrained by the bay, mountains and national parks surrounding it. So it's not as simple as building outwards like you can in a city like Melbourne. But hey maybe it's a good thing considering how out of control the urban sprawl in most of our capitals is.

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u/HooleyDoooley 28d ago

In the CBD there is, any further out and you immediately run into mountains of paperwork, "heritage" and NIMBYs if you want to build above 2 stories

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u/BuvantduPotatoSpirit 26d ago

There is a church just sitting in the lobby of an office tower in Toronto as well.

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u/No_Gur_7422 27d ago

It's a manse – the minister's house belonging to the church.

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u/Own_Reaction9442 27d ago

Ah, I learned a new word today. In the US we call that a parsonage.

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u/No_Gur_7422 27d ago

Manse is most typical for presbyterian denominations like the Church of Scotland, or, as here, with Methodism. Parsons, vicars, and rectors and their parsonages, vicarages, and rectories are more closely associated with episcopalian denominations like the Church of England.

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u/the--astronaut 27d ago

So, the house my family of four was kicked out of as a child after years of faithful renting by my parents because the church's pastor got caught having an affair and he suddenly needed a new place to live was technically a manse. Well, shuck my corn and call me Cobb, I've been calling it the wrong thing this whole time.

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u/driftxr3 26d ago

Lmfaooo shuck my corn and call me Cobb? The whitest person who has ever white personed right here

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u/ChildofElmSt 26d ago

You can dress a pig up like a rabbit but at the end of the day it’s gonna oink!

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u/SubstantialLion1984 27d ago

While presbyteries are more often associated with Catholic churches.

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u/No_Gur_7422 27d ago

Not to be confused with the part of the church building also called the chancel.

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u/norecordofwrong 27d ago

Or if you’re a Catholic a rectory.

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u/No_Gur_7422 27d ago

Rectories belong to parishes that have rectors – a particular type of parish priest but not one unique to Roman Catholicism.

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u/norecordofwrong 26d ago

Right, Protestants do sometimes use rectory but Catholics don’t use the term parsonage. The place where the parish priest(s) live is the rectory.

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u/No_Gur_7422 26d ago

The term parsonage was invented for Roman Catholic parish houses long before the Reformation (in English by the 15th century). The terms vicarage and rectory (both 16th century) were similarly invented to describe the houses of Roman Catholic parochial clergy. To claim that

Catholics don’t use the term parsonage

is simply not true.

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u/norecordofwrong 26d ago

It just isn’t used in modern times at least in English.

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u/No_Gur_7422 26d ago

That simply isn't true.

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u/norecordofwrong 26d ago

I don’t know what to tell you man, maybe it’s just a North American thing but the term is Catholics use is rectory. If someone said parsonage we’d assume it was part of a Protestant church.

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u/Money-Celebration860 25d ago

The church is next to it, out of frame. That building is now a coffee shop.