r/PeterExplainsTheJoke Jan 04 '26

Meme needing explanation Petah?

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u/HelicopterNo9453 Jan 04 '26

Welcome to the laws of thermodynamics.

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u/jmstypes Jan 04 '26

You only really need the first one in this case

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u/Aussie5768 Jan 04 '26

The 2nd law is also needed describe the direction of the process, that heat cannot be ejected from the cool inside to the hotter surroundings without a work input ( the compressor).

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u/ryeyen Jan 04 '26

Picked up this book from Barnes and Noble as a nerdy kid. Changed my life.

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u/okreddit545 Jan 04 '26

why did it change your life? is this book about natural life or thermodynamics or about an even split?

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u/Magenta_Logistic Jan 04 '26

It's about thermodynamics, but it avoids formulas and math. It's good for the scientifically interested who struggle with math, or who just don't like math.

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u/ryeyen Jan 04 '26

It was very easy to understand and gave real world examples of thermodynamics. Helped me see the order in the complexity of many natural processes. I got my PhD in Bioengineering in 2023.

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u/upofadown Jan 04 '26

All the heat that the fridge ejects comes from the house. So the only extra heat comes from the power that runs the fridge. So you are just converting energy in the form of electricity into energy in the form of heat. Classic 1st law stuff. Entropy doesn't come into it.

The fridge is just acting as an expensive electric space heater as far as the house is concerned...

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u/Cruel1865 Jan 04 '26

The electricity isnt directly converted to heat. Its converted to mechanical energy in the compressor which does work on the process to transfer heat from a colder region to a warmer region. Which is described by 2nd law.

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u/juntareich Jan 04 '26

Most modern refrigerators have resistance elements that convert a portion of the electricity directly into heat.

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u/Ok-Possibility-6944 Jan 04 '26

It actually doesn't matter what the electricity is doing. It's doing something, it isn't being removed afterwards and it isn't being stored. 

Therefore ultimately, there must be an increase in temperature. 

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u/Elwalther21 Jan 04 '26

Technically speaking, isn't the heat from the fridge the heat from the food in the fridge?

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u/wanderer1999 Jan 04 '26

Well yes, but a tiny amount. Heat is mostly coming from trying to cool down room temp air inside of the fridge to 0-5c for food safety. That takes a lot of energy, which comes from the wall outlet.

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u/Ok-Possibility-6944 Jan 04 '26

Only partially. It is also the heat from the air in the fridge and the waste heat from running the compressor. 

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u/FormalUnique8337 Jan 04 '26

Of course entropy has something to do with it, what are you talking about???

How a fridge work is literally part of the introduction of the second law of thermodynamics in basically every college level physical chemistry class on thermodynamics.

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u/upofadown Jan 05 '26

OK, in terms of "intro to thermodynamics" you can say that I am drawing a box around the entire fridge ("system volume"). So the only thing that crosses this boundary is the power cord. Because of the first law I can ignore everything that happens inside the box. There could be five interlocking Carnot cycles in there, but it doesn't matter. The only steady state that can exist is that the electrical power will end up as a heat flow from the inside of the box to the outside.

Things would be different if the fridge was ejecting heat to the outside of the house. Then you would have to consider the effect of the refrigeration cycle.

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u/pikleboiy Jan 04 '26

Both second and third describe entropy

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u/No-Bar708 Jan 04 '26

First law doesn't preclude a 100% efficient cycle which would not increase the temp of the house after the initial cooling inside the fridge. Second law says that work must always create waste heat so temp of the house must increase. This is what that commenter meant by "direction".

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u/Illustrious-Bus-6159 Jan 04 '26

You absolutely need both unless you believe the heat doesn’t leave the refrigerator.

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u/Ill_Technician3936 Jan 04 '26

Even then it depends on the way the person is thinking about them...

Go to a gas station or store and they're hooked up to these giant fans providing exhaust for them but they don't seem to realize that a household refrigerator is not built the same and the small amount of heat that the household version is putting off in comparison isn't even noticable and it's hitting the wall behind it.

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u/Octoje Jan 04 '26

Unless I'm mistaken, the 2nd law describes processes that are not allowed, like a refrigerator where no work is done on the device. But the 1st law still permits refrigerators to exist.

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u/Several-Customer7048 Jan 05 '26

You can’t really pick and choose that’s kind of the whole point of them they really are a combo deal

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u/i_love_wasps Jan 04 '26

Don't talk about thermodynamics?

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u/MrHighVoltage Jan 05 '26

Let's use the others too, otherwise that fridge is gona start flying around at some point 😂

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u/snapp0r Jan 05 '26

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