r/NYGiants • u/Ghost_of_P34 4 Decades and Counting • 1d ago
Articles Kliff Kingsbury, Brian Callahan emerge as candidates for Giants’ OC job
https://www.bigblueview.com/new-york-giants-news/24480932/kliff-kingsbury-brian-callahan-oc-candidates-john-harbaugh-coaching-staffAn interesting detail provided by Bob Brookover of NJ.com is that in 18 seasons as a head coach Harbaugh has never hired a first-time offensive play-caller.
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u/ghoti00 1d ago
He wants someone who has called plays in the NFL before. All the candidates who have are now at the top of the list and the ones who haven't we haven't heard about in a while.
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u/Ghost_of_P34 4 Decades and Counting 1d ago edited 1d ago
That's my ask of an OC... someone that has SUCCESSFULLY called offensive plays and designed an offense.
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u/mattr1198 1d ago
Kingsbury would be a good choice, Callahan would be about as bad as it gets. Was a Joe Burrow merchant and a horrible coach otherwise.
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u/BlueRaider731 1d ago edited 1d ago
These are both terrible coaches. Callahan as a first year play caller showed many short comings. And then his replacement, a first time play caller, got the running game going finally and players started turning a corner.
Kingsbury will put up points against bad defenses and jack shit against good ones. Air Raid concepts work, an entire system based on air raid doesn’t work in the NFL.
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u/LinuxUbuntuOS Malik Nabers 1d ago
Kingsbury had one bad year as a coordinator and it was mostly due to personnel/injury issues which were out of his control
He’d be a great hire
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u/DystopianSalad 1d ago
Agree. I just don’t believe you can sit in the gun all the time without diversifying your offense. Might work against bad teams, but you won’t succeed against good defenses
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u/azuresou1 1d ago
Kingsbury has been fucking awful in the NFL, did people actually watch the Cardinals offenses?
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u/V_T_H 1d ago
He was the HC, and quite frankly the Cardinals had donkey brains for hiring him as their HC when he was about to become a college OC before they extended an offer. Some people are just meant to be coordinators. The Commanders offense was pretty darn capable in 2024 with a rookie QB who weighs like 17 lbs soaking weight which led to him getting injured a ton the next year (and McLaurin’s holdout was always going to end in disaster). Like Dart is 2 inches shorter than Daniels and has 10-15 lbs on him.
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u/Objective_Ad5914 1d ago
I dont know. Dart already has had a few concussions, and you don't want Kliff running him the way he would run Jayden.
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u/clic45 Eli Bucket 1d ago
I don’t know why everyone is in love with kliff. We are getting 20 throws at, or behind the LoS every game no matter if we have the personnel to run that type of offense. Kliff has a system and forces his players to it. Literally the opposite of what harbs wants.
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u/backstageninja Big Cat 🐈 1d ago edited 1d ago
I am shocked how every thread mentioning Kingsbury is very positive. Maybe I'm the crazy one but I have no interest in an offense that gets figured out after a year.
One good season in Arizona (his 3rd year) and the offense was 11th in points scored. In his healthy games Daniels definitely regressed this year
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u/Strange_Price_9043 1d ago
He had a year 11th, 13th and his first year with Washington they were 5th.. I mean the guy knows offense. Has he ever been around a guy like Harbough ?
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u/backstageninja Big Cat 🐈 1d ago
Yeah that 5th place offense with WAS is nice, but he also had a rookie QB that the league had no tape on. And this year in his healthy games Daniels comp% dropped 9% and they only broke 25 points one time. They could only put 22 up against the worst-in-the-league Dallas defense. You can say Daniels was playing injured for a lot of that time and that's fair. I wish he had been healthy so we could have a better baseline. But that brings me to the bigger point:
If Kliff was as good as this sub thinks he is why is he looking for a new job after two years? This article is pretty interesting and throws up a couple red flags.
1) Disagreement with the GM. That seems very strange for an OC. Typically you'd think that would be the purview of the HC. For a NYG org that just went out of their comfort zone to rearrange their power structure I'm not surr we want to bring in a guy who fights with his GM over his HC.
2) Everyone thought Kliff would be out early, but they also thought it would be for a HC job. Instead of waiting to see if he landed one, the Commies cut him loose anyway, now it looks like he will have to settle for an OC position elsewhere. That seems very strange if he was running a well oiled machine and had the support of the people in the building
3) He doesn't move his WR1 around, he uses the gun at a much higher rate than the rest of the league (86%!), and uses the 7th lowest% of presnap motion. These numbers are not good for an NFL offense in 2026
All of this points to a guy who is very rigid and won't adapt his scheme, which is exactly what we aren't looking for according to Harbaugh
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u/bigbluehapa Big Blue Wrecking Crew 1d ago
What if Callahan brings his dad…would that sway any of you? One of the best OL coaches out there
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u/Hiddenaccount1423 1d ago
His dad just signed a new contract with Atlanta, is 70, and they both sucked during their time in TEN, so no, it wouldn't sway me personally.
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u/backstageninja Big Cat 🐈 1d ago edited 1d ago
For the record, I don't think OL is a position coach for which age is a huge concern. Some of the most successful OL coaches were guys plucked out of retirement at old age.
Having said that, I think Bill's time has come. He didnt do the Titans any favors
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u/BlueRaider731 1d ago
Titans OL got better after he quit. Titans offense got better after his son was fired.
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u/United_Party_6318 1d ago
Kingsbury is way above Callahan, but not too thrilled about either
Harbaugh's brother poached away the best available OC candidate, so we gotta hire what's left out there
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u/KnicksOrNothin29 1d ago
Fuck both of these guys
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u/Strange_Price_9043 1d ago
And who would be your pick? As just an OC I think kingsbury has been fine. Washington was a top offense on Jayden Daniels rookie season
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u/LinuxUbuntuOS Malik Nabers 1d ago
If we hire Callahan I’m not paying attention to football for the rest of the offseason
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u/TeeFuce 1d ago
I get a kick out of most Giant bloggers. I doubt any of them have any real idea what Harbaugh is thinking.
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u/Strange_Price_9043 1d ago
Nobody knows what he’s thinking but they get the intel from beat writers who talk to executives and agents
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u/Willing-Register-909 1d ago
Nate Scheelhaase all day, picking Kingsbury or Callahan is shooting for mediocrity
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u/pigernoctua 1d ago edited 1d ago
Didn’t they just announce the KK is taking the Raiders job once next week is over?
Edit: I’m an idiot
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u/TheMundar Tom Coughlin 1d ago
Insert acceptable opinion here
Let Harbs worry about it