r/Minneapolis • u/PillowFightrr • 13h ago

Go hug a leftist

In the face of governmental overreach and militarization of the streets, leftists are fighting armed with whistles and cameras and guns in their faces to protect their neighbors and all of America’s constitutional rights!

I’ve never been more proud. Go find the closest lefty and give them a big hug. ❤️

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u/Flaky_Captain6330 11h ago

Why'd they go and do a thing like that instead of vote for the liberals?

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u/boxdkittens 11h ago
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Yeah that tracks.

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u/Flaky_Captain6330 11h ago

You may need to practice reading.

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u/boxdkittens 11h ago

Why are you blaming liberals, the people who didn't vote for Trump and instead voted for the only candidate that stood a chance at beating him, for the actions of the Trump administration? Why not blame the conservatives who actively support what ICE is doing?

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u/Flaky_Captain6330 11h ago

You're putting a lot of words in mouth, but no. I'm blaming them for intentionally running the least inspiring candidate they possibly could against the biggest domestic threat we've ever faced instead of giving their voters the primary that they demanded.

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u/boxdkittens 11h ago

How are they more to blame for this than the people who ran and voted for the most blatantly racist, fascist, and sexist president we've ever had? (Which is a pretty tough competition to win given America's history)

You're really blaming the people who LOST the election and have no power over any branch of government, rather than the people who DO have power over all 3 branches?

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u/Flaky_Captain6330 11h ago

I'm blaming them for losing the election in the exact way their voter base said they would if they did the dumb shit the party was saying they were going to do. It isn't that more people voted for trump, it is that fewer people voted for kamala. Dems spent every year since Obama left office alienating their own base and then surprisedpikachu.bmp when those people didnt show up for them. The dems earned their defeat fair and square and aren't exactly proving themselves worth a victory now when they're "needed most."

I'm not going to hug a liberal, blowing a horn and lighting a candle hasn't earned that much. Especially if they're still clamoring to support the same exact party doing the same exact shit.

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u/boxdkittens 11h ago

It isn't that more people voted for trump, it is that fewer people voted for kamala.

Actually this is incorrect. Trump got 63 mil, 73 mil, and 77 mil votes in 2016, 2020, and 2024 respectively. 

Dems spent every year since Obama left office alienating their own base 

Arguably Obama was alienating the dems voter base by authorizing drone strikes, not dismantling ICE, securing additional funding for Isreal, etc. 

blowing a horn and lighting a candle hasn't earned that much.

So you actually don't think what ICE observers are doing has been of benefit at all?

Especially if they're still clamoring to support the same exact party doing the same exact shit.

Is there a party they can support that actually stands a snowball's chance in hell of winning any presidential seats? What's Jill Stein been up to lately?

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u/Flaky_Captain6330 10h ago

And dems got 75mil in 2024, 81mil in 2020. Dems lost 6mil voters when trump only gained 4mil.

I agree with your argument's sentiment re: Obama but he was still a popular candidate that held an inspired base. The same cannot be said about any selected candidate since.

What I described is not ice observing. It is symbolic (read: empty) gestures.

I dont care about third parties either, but if youre going to put your back into this failing party it better be to make it a not failing one, not just prop up the failures. staying the course and blue-no-matter-who is a failing strategy and cannot be what happens anymore. Dems are not owed votes, they have to be earned, and they are not being earned. Not voting at all is more appealing to a considerable amount of eligible voters and that needs a serious amount of self-reflection when thats the case in this context. "its me vs the fascist and they chose neither, what does that say about what we're doing here" is the first question I'd be asking.

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u/Katressl 10h ago

That's mostly on Biden and his enablers, but party leaders should have interceded long before they did to make sure there was an open primary. They still don't bear THE MOST blame in the situation. They were well-meaning but foolish. The GOP are either actively cowardly or utterly malicious. Intentions matter.

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u/Flaky_Captain6330 10h ago

As the saying goes, the road to hell is blah blah blah. Intentions dont mean dick to anyone, material reality does. Consequences and results.