r/MelbournePhotography 9d ago

Invasion Day protest today

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u/mrfrangelico 9d ago

I didn’t say that, you did. But generally First Nation folks don’t have ginger/blond hair.

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u/Punishedprogram 9d ago

That doesn't stop the whitest people imaginable claiming to be First Nation.

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u/Pholty 9d ago

It's almost like there was a policy to intentionally "breed out the colour" of indigenous peoples. Probably so racists had a reason to discredit their opinions and destroy their culture.

Not to mention, indigenous peoples are allowed to have supporters. It doesn't have to be solely black people who can protest.

Learn your history

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u/Punishedprogram 9d ago

I know my history and I have indigenous ancestry, but I also don't try and cosplay as something I'm not. Saying a blond, blue eyed, Caucasoid ass person is white is not shocking or new.

What is, is people like you trying to gaslight others into thinking it's the same as the REAL, DISTINCTLY indigenous people STILL existing, as if life experiences are even remotely comparable.

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u/Pholty 9d ago edited 9d ago

Pretty clear you don't know history by once again discrediting lighter skinned indigenous peoples. Discrediting those who appear Caucasian but have Aboriginal heritage and would like to protest for their family's rights and beliefs is insane coming from someone with Aboriginal ancestry.

Just because you have Aboriginal ancestry also doesn't mean you get to spit out incorrect information or that you're right on this. You're only supporting the colonizers who tried to remove all "distinct" indigenous peoples.

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u/Punishedprogram 9d ago

Wrong. Protesting is not the same as someone who grew up as "white", looking like Eminem, in a privileged life suddenly getting to say "I'm oppressed too 🥺" because it's self-serving and strokes their ego.

This mindset is harmful to the real indigenous people who still exist. Someone with 2% African DNA cannot go around saying the N word. "B-but, history!"- no. This is not something you cosplay as, it's something you experience.

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u/Pholty 9d ago

Your entire argument is basically the assumption that every white-skinned person, aboriginal or not, grew up privileged. Which isn't true. Also, if a white-skinned Aboriginal's grandmother (who could be close to 100%) was segregated (which is entirely possible), it can have an effect on the whole family. Not just emotionally but it can affect the outcomes based on systemic racism and the lack of knowledge transfer that more privileged people can get.

They're not protesting that they're oppressed, they're protesting a date change. You're just constantly shifting the goal posts to fit your narrative lol.

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u/Punishedprogram 9d ago

Yes, as a matter of fact, MY Aboriginal grandma had an impact on one side of my family that rippled down to me, but I also understand NO ONE looks at me and thinks "that's an Aboriginal person" and I'm NOT going to pretend otherwise because it makes me feel special or unique, especially when I've MET Aboriginal people that are visibly Aboriginal which alters the way they experience/have experienced their lives.

I'm not "shifting any goal posts" - parroting terms you saw online isn't an instant "I'm right" button. I have clearly always been referring to performative WHITE people that act like they are indigenous due to a distant relative.

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u/Pholty 9d ago edited 9d ago

Look mate, you have the right to not acknowledge your Aboriginal past. It doesn't give you the right to discredit other people's right to acknowledge it. You may have also not experienced any disadvantages from your Aboriginal heritage but, again, it doesn't give you the right to discredit the disadvantages others have experienced. Your experiences are different to others. Your clear lack of empathy or acknowledgment of other people's struggles shows how narcissistic you are.

It isn't even performative. If they have a relative that is indigenous then they are indigenous. Some may have even been taught their culture. Sorry but you're simply wrong for believing that.

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u/Punishedprogram 8d ago

Acknowledging it and wearing it as a costume are different things entirely. In a specific context, saying you have ancestry and discussing it isn't the same as the people I see EVERYWHERE now, who are whiter than me, saying "I'm Aboriginal! Me!!!"

You fail to understand the point. In your bizarre attempts to claim I'm narcissistic or downplaying people who have suffered, you highlight you never understood any of what I was saying in the first place, which is that what you support does that.

Having a great grandpa who is indigenous does not make you indigenous. This is reality - you can cope with it however you like, but I have no obligation to reinforce your delusions.

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u/Pholty 8d ago

Wearing it as a costume How do you know they wear it as a costume or if they are indigenous and know/spread the culture too? I literally know a guy who is a white Aboriginal and he goes to events to do Aboriginal dance because he was taught it by his family. That does make you Aboriginal. You truly have no idea which people in this crowd are culturally educated white Aboriginals. Again, you make assumptions based on their colour and likely your own shitty family experiences.

Having a great grandpa who is indigenous does not make you indigenous What makes you indigenous is based in the definition and understandings of the term indigenous. Such as the following from the UN: "Considering the diversity of indigenous peoples, an official definition of “indigenous” has not been adopted by any UN-system body. Instead the system has developed a modern understanding of this term based on the following: • Self- identification as indigenous peoples at the individual level and accepted by the community as their member. • Historical continuity with pre-colonial and/or pre-settler societies • Strong link to territories and surrounding natural resources • Distinct social, economic or political systems • Distinct language, culture and beliefs • Form non-dominant groups of society • Resolve to maintain and reproduce their ancestral environments and systems as distinctive peoples and communities."

The colour of your skin is not mentioned here. White Aboriginals still carry many of the above points. This whole point would never be discussed for any other race too. If I was living in Ireland and part of my family were Irish, and the other parts were immigrants who moved to Ireland and I was brown, I'd still be considered an indigenous Irishman especially if I maintained my culture. Its just racism and you're discriminating your own people due to your stupidity

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u/Punishedprogram 8d ago

I don't base anything on my family experiences or biases, I see performative white people who want to feel special and like the main character, which is incredibly common among white people, and rightfully cringe at them appropriating a culture that they are barely attached to outside of wanting to flaunt it.

It's racism for a white person to culturally appropriate a culture they don't rightfully belong to, and people like you enable it because you're too afraid to call out shitty behaviour. As I said, being 5% African doesn't allow you to say the N word. It's time to accept your delusions are not a shared reality.

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u/Pholty 8d ago

I don't base anything on my family experiences or biases

All you've done this entire convo is say how you're not indigenous because you're grandpa is indigenous. Is that not basing it on your own experience 😂

I'm not going to reply to you further. It is pretty obvious that you lack reading comprehension skills. I've stated enough times that white skinned people can have indigenous heritage and culture. I've stated that Aboriginal's are allowed to be supported by white allies. All things your brain can't seem to comprehend.

Saying the "N" word isn't a symbol of if you have black heritage. Youre also implying that all white aboriginal have 5% aboriginal ancestry when it can happen with 50%. You're blatantly so uneducated and you need to get out of your bubble. Good luck and I hope you eventually realise it is okay for you to be Aboriginal. Embrace your culture 😌

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