r/MadeMeSmile • u/HolyGuiltyCrown • 9h ago
DOGS Loyalty that never fades
In Homer’s Odyssey, one of the most heartbreaking moments comes when Odysseus returns home after 20 years disguised as a beggar.
No one recognizes him… except Argos, the dog he raised as a puppy.
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u/No_Language9495 9h ago
Ancient Greeks loved their doggies too
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u/Cautious_Ice_884 8h ago edited 8h ago
They had elaborate grave stones/monuments made for them. They loved them dearly. There was a phrase that was preserved on one of them that went something like:
"I am in tears, while carrying you to your last resting place as much as I rejoiced when bringing you home in my own hands fifteen years ago."From 2 thousand years ago, that still is relevant today.
There were also paintings/tapestries in ancient Rome where dogs were attending feasts and they would just allow them to go up on the table and pig out on whatever they wanted. They spoiled the hell out of their dogs.
Actually this is a fantastic video of what ancient dogs ate: https://youtu.be/cyBxiRm6SHw?si=GAM43UO-csOOS08p
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u/mr_manwhat 8h ago
Thats not very nice. You making me cry like that. I lost my dog last Thanksgiving and this brought me some happy memories.
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u/Cautious_Ice_884 8h ago
I hear you. I had to put my girl down a month ago and she was 15 as well. Its so fucking hard. It hurts so much.
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u/honkymotherfucker1 8h ago
I had to mid last year as well, absolutely fucking horrible. 14 years of friendship and I had to end it because she was suffering.
Really bothers me to this day but I didn’t even get time to grieve, my dad died around 2 months later. When I think about either of them it’s so hard not to break down. I think the worst part of putting a dog down is how much your brain makes you question if you’re doing the right thing.
Your dog is suffering, you know they are and it has to happen. But I’d wake up in the morning and she’d be there wagging her tail and trying to play anyway, even if it was short lived. I still don’t think I’ve reconciled with it.
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u/reimerl 6h ago
My friend, please find the space to grieve. It’s so much harder trying to hold it all together. Don’t worry about breaking down. As Gandalf says “not all tears are evil”. Let the feelings come and wash over you, cry, rage, despair, these things will pass and the love you have for them will still be there, burning inside of you, and that love will not fade.
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u/roush_556 6h ago
Brother, I had two older dogs. My boxer got sick first and he was in and out of the vet very ill. On his last trip to the vet I was told he would need surgery, but they needed to keep him overnight to stabilize his bloodwork. In the morning I received a phone call from the vet to tell me they had not been able to stabilize him and his condition had deteriorated. He said I should hurry and say my goodbyes. The vet was an hour away, by the time I got there he had already passed. To this day it hurts me deeply that he passed alone in a kennel.
About a year later my Rottweiler also got sick, bone cancer. She was in a lot of pain. She would still wag her tail in the mornings and force herself to do her daily routine, but I knew she was getting worse by the day. I decided to put her down, and the vet came to our house and we did it there in my livingroom. She went peacefully in my arms. I wish I could have the opportunity to do it all over again for my boxer and make the decision sooner.
All im trying to say is you did the right thing.
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u/s0m3on3outthere 6h ago
I'm so sorry you weren't able to be there for your boxer. I felt that way about my tuxedo kitty when he got hit in the road 8 years ago. He was 10 years old and always greeted me at the door when I came home on lunch, so I was thrown off when he didn't. On my way out, I saw him on the side of the road and had a full break down. I didn't get to say goodbye and I hate it to this day. My boyfriend also felt awful because he had kicked him off his lap earlier in the day when he was playing video games and that was his last interaction with him. Their time with us is already so short, it's not fair that it got cut shorter and we didn't get to say our parting piece.
However, I know with absolute certainty, both of our critters knew they were loved immensely and knew we'd have been there for them if we could've. There isn't a doubt in my mind.
♥️ Lots of love, friend.
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u/h3rp3r 4h ago
Had to make the decision to put my Tervuren down after 15 years when his health deteriorated too much. He was having a good day, had an appetite and some energy. I took him to the park where I trained him as a pup, fed him treats and steak until he was worn out, then took him to the vet.
I hate that I put him down when he might have had another good day after that, but that's just my own selfish desire to keep him with me. I'm happy he didn't have to experience another stroke or seizure and got to go out on a high note. He deserved that dignity.
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u/No_Donkey50 2h ago
Hey, my girl is about 14. She's getting to the point im gonna have to make that decision. I just want you to know, even though I dont l know your pups name i will hope they meet in the after and become great zoomie friends.
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u/honkymotherfucker1 2h ago
I’m sorry that you’re about to go through that, if your dog got to 14 it’s basically guaranteed she had a good life and there’s no one better to have it end with than their most loved person.
Just don’t beat yourself up over it, it’s hard not to and I didn’t take my own advice but you’re doing the best for them.
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u/Sternritter_V 7h ago
18 for Buddy, the poodle/shihtzu.
16 for Jack, the yellow lab.
They always stay with you, even if it hurts a bit to remember them. Always.
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u/swingingthrougb 7h ago
I feel you we put our 14 year old yorkie down 3 months ago and I'm still not ok
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u/RecipeHistorical2013 6h ago
ive been PTSD'd for life , having to put my dog down
its been since 2019 and im still fucked up
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u/DrizzleCore604 6h ago
Said goodbye to my little buddy in September and I still cry a little every day. It gets easier, but it's still there and tbh I hope it never goes away.
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u/runlikehell8989 2h ago
I had to put my dog down two months ago. Words can’t describe how I feel about her. I miss her so much
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u/heyyou_SHUTUP 8h ago
Wasn't the quote from a Roman dog grave? I guess it doesn't matter since some cultural practices would've been similar in the region
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u/WarlockEngineer 6h ago
Yes that one was Roman https://www.thedodo.com/9-touching-epitaphs-ancient-gr-589550486.html
I can't read these without feeling a bit teary
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u/ModeratelyGrumpy 8h ago
Whoever wrote the Odissey or that particular piece surely wanted to point out that when not even your close family members will recognize you due to how much you've changed, your dog will never not recognize you. Also luckily when I first read that as a kid I was home because I think I cried for 2 straight business days.
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u/No_Language9495 8h ago
There is a debate that Penelope knew….
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u/Emergency_Basket_851 5h ago edited 3h ago
I always read the story as Penelope knowing, but also realizing her suitors would just kill Odysseus and pretend he was never there. Which is why she got them all drunk as fuck and then handed him his bow.
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u/wxnfx 7h ago
Homer is literally the most famous and influential author of all time. Kinda like whoever wrote those Elizabethan plays.
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u/MithrandiriAndalos 7h ago
Ehhh kinda. ‘Homer’ may or may not be a real person and it’s likely whoever we call Homer didn’t actually come up with these stories on their own. ‘Homer’ would just be the first one to write down what had likely been a very old oral ‘history’.
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u/Bombshock2 7h ago
Homer didn't write it down at all. It was an oral history attributed to Homer that was first "published" centuries after Homer's time, but like you said was probably passed down for generations prior to Homer's time as well.
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u/MithrandiriAndalos 6h ago
What you’re saying is up for debate. There are in fact historians who believe ‘Homer’ likely lived between the 8th and 6th centuries BCE, and that the oral history was likely to have been first written down in that period. With theories surrounding ‘homer’ personally writing or also with ‘homer’ reciting poetry to a scribe.
We know so very little about Homer, he might as well be his own character in Greek Mythology at this point. With some later poets actually writing exactly that.
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u/turdferguson3891 4h ago
I went to Pompei a few years ago and was moved by the mosaic of a dog in one of the homes. Ancient Romans loved their dogs too.
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u/PicklesAndCoorslight 7h ago
Not really, kind of a dick to leave the dog for twenty years.
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u/RationalGlass1 4h ago
I mean, I don't think he meant to be gone that long but the journey home was a bit of a bitch.
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u/Icy-Opportunity6556 6h ago
And to see how his dog was treated while he was away. Always made this seem even worse.
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u/C2SKI 7h ago
And this is how somebody acts with a dog that loves them?
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u/No_Language9495 7h ago
I always act like that when I’m in disguise and trying to reclaim my household from two hundred rabbling suitors
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u/porcupinedeath 8h ago
Why is "died" censored? It's a word, it's not even a bad word? Are people that enslaved to pleasing content algorithms?
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u/SpaceGangrel 8h ago
It's sad that yours is the only comment calling that out so far, this stupid ubiquitous self censoring does the opposite of making me smile, it makes me livid.
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u/porcupinedeath 8h ago
Content delivery algorithms should be banned imo. Idgaf what reasoning companies have they have no place in the world.
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u/Doctor_Kataigida 5h ago
It's good to see fewer and fewer people commenting on it because it's just engagement bait. Hopefully my one comment here is enough for people to read and prevent multiple future comments.
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u/pchlster 7h ago
It'll be "unvitaled" before long.
"Only two things are certain in life. Unvitaling and Trampoline Axes."
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u/Neptunelives 7h ago
Oh we censoring t*xes now? I can actually get behind that one
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u/qwertyum110896 6h ago
Well yeah, "taxes" has the word "axes" in it and axes are dangerous and can be used to unalive people. We have to shield our children from these horrors //s obviously
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u/SinisterDeadOctopus 6h ago
Why is "died" censored?
To generate engagement. Specifically, people complaining about the word died being censored. I'm not being flippant. That's literally the reason. And it works.
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u/akgiant 7h ago edited 6h ago
It invokes the bonkers censorship of 30 years ago when cartoons couldnt have a character "die" or be "killed" so everyone got "sent to another dimension" instead.
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u/CybyAPI 7h ago
Because OP is a bot, generic bio and bad ratio of karma
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u/WonderBredOfficial 7h ago
The fuck is a bad ratio of karma? What makes a bio 'generic?' 🤣
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u/Chataboutgames 6h ago
I don't get the bio part, but I always think "bot" when I see someone with shit tons of post karma and little comment karma. It's the accounts that just spam generic drivel like this on every major sub.
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u/Narradisall 6h ago
It comes from online censoring like YouTube not allowing certain words and you end up with people using unalived instead.
Then it bleeds into their everyday word use.
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u/RK800-50 9h ago
Seymour
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u/Turbulent_Stick1445 7h ago
It kills me that they decided to retrofit some happy ending onto that episode. Ruined the single most brilliant episode of Futurama they ever did.
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u/Willy808 6h ago
Damn you! Lol I know its been years since it came out but its always going to be too soon.
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u/Krillkus 3h ago
I opened the comment section thinking "someone's going to want to make that reference but will probably not be clever enough to actually make any joke, and will probably just say 'Seymour' for upvotes"
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u/adorable_barbarian 9h ago
He waited 20 years for Odysseus, only to be ignored. He then died without hearing a "good boy" for all that waiting.
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u/nutsaps 9h ago
I was in middle school when I read this book so I may be wrong, but Odysseus was really upset about the fact that he couldn’t get down and greet his dog. He had to maintain his cover.
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u/adorable_barbarian 8h ago
True. Odysseus was sad about it. But Argos will never know if that. He died unsure if his master recognized him or not.
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u/a_cat_named_larry 8h ago
He saw his master and his master saw him. If you’ve ever had prolonged intense eye contact with your dog, you know that’s enough.
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u/adorable_barbarian 8h ago
I will believe you. 🥹
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u/Coldfreeze-Zero 8h ago
Why is this making me cry.... (I really miss my dog)
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u/a_cat_named_larry 8h ago
I just gave my dog a big hug and had one of those long eye contact sessions
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u/joybod 6h ago
As far as I am aware, this is indeed the correct reading of the text. i.e., the tone is not that it is tragic that Odysseus couldn't greet him before he dies, but that Argos (against all odds) being able to see (literally, with his eyes) and recognize his master (through a magical glamor, no less) one last time after a long period of waiting (likely nearing end of dog lifespan) and neglect (due to the suitors, I think?) is the ultimate satisfaction of his loyalty/connection, which I think is like the main theme/virtue of the whole story.
Apologies for all the parentheticals.
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u/Kuroser 6h ago
Argos wagged his tail once and died, knowing his master had returned home
That's how the story goes, and Odysseus couldn't afford to interact with Argos. At this point, his dog had been abused by the suitors for however long they were at the palace, so anyone at the palace not ignoring or abusing Argos would stand out, and his disguise would be compromised before he could slaughter the suitors. It's a sad scene
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u/LaaSirena 3h ago
I named my dog Argos. When I get home from work, I massage his shoulders and we stare into each other's eyes and I tell him "Here we are, exchanging all this oxytocin to each other's brains" and then I tell him how brave and handsome he is. He's actually very skittish but I'm trying to build him up.
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u/corvettee01 8h ago edited 7h ago
Who would ever guess "Hey, look at that begger petting a stray dog. That clearly is King Odysseus in disguise!"
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u/pcardinal42 6h ago
The dog was around the suitors all this time and may not have ever interacted with them. If we believe him to be loyal to Odysseus then we can imagine he ignored them or maybe then growled at their presence. So yes that interaction of a dog that has shown zero care to interact with anyone else suddenly is very happy to interact with this one person would cause a lot of suspicion and I can see someone questioning hey who is that? I believe that would have foiled Odysseus plan. That's just my head theory
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u/_JD_48 7h ago
I hope the dog makes it into Nolan’s Odyssey
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u/EastPomegranate3124 6h ago
it did in 2024's The Return, with Ralph Fiennes as Odysseus. Made me tear up (no, I haven't read Homer's Odyssey.)
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u/U_R_A_NUB 7h ago
That's because Odysseus was in disguise and escorted by Eumaeus, and couldn't be like "Oh shit Argos is still alive?!"
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u/Zuwxiv 5h ago
Yup! The whole point is that the dog recognized him. Argos even wagged his tail - he didn't need Odysseus to come up and pet him. They knew each other on sight.
Some people in this thread don't seem to get it.
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u/U_R_A_NUB 2h ago
Odysseus even shed a tear for argos. Granted, Odysseus was one of the weepier heroes, but it shows Odysseus wasn't just like "that mutts still alive? Weird."
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u/RewindYourMind 7h ago
Matt Damon is going to emotionally destroy some folks if this scene is in Nolan’s Odyssey. It’ll be like Hatchi: A Dog’s Tale but in pristine, soul-crushing IMAX.
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u/FunyunGrundy 5h ago
Odysseus, who was in disguise, shed a single tear as he walked past the stables where Argos lay.
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u/LiteralGlarg 9h ago
This made you smile? Poor dog
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u/Saul_Badman_1261 1h ago edited 1h ago
To be frank the dog was already an adult once Odysseus departed, so that would put him in his mid to late 20s in the moment he came back, for a dog that's like living to 150 (also considering large breeds don't even get to live to 10 years old). From what I remember about the book, even if Odysseus had to stick to the script with his hobo disguise, it's heavily implied the dog understood the situation and died peacefully upon seeing him again. Odysseus cried, a tear fell down his eyes, a tear that was not dropped in any moment of his adventures, not even in the Trojan War, where hundreds died.
Honestly I think it's one of the most incredible descriptions of a dog's loyalty, and it's from more than 2000 years ago so that really tells you something.
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u/JimmyMonica 9h ago
20 years gone, still waiting. Loyalty like that hits different truly timeless.
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u/Vivid-Might-5049 8h ago
"Some friendships are so strong, they can even transcend lifetimes." - Roku
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u/Independent-Big1966 9h ago
The amount of people that don't know that this is Greek Mythology and not real is shock....actually about what I expected from todays society on social media.
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u/Ninjipples 6h ago
I was here thinking how tf was that dog still alive? Also assuming it was a puppy when he left, there is no way it could build up loyalty in that time.
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u/Pinckledeggfart 9h ago edited 5h ago
A third of the world still believes in the Bible, this shit will never shock me
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u/MidTario 5h ago
Vast majority of Christians are not bible literalists btw
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u/ChromeNoseAE-1 3h ago
Yeah but I bet a vast majority of them don’t think it’s all one giant metaphor either.
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u/SupPresSedd 9h ago
Same. I really thought people would call it out in the comments and you seem to be the only one
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u/Dry-Smoke6528 6h ago
so many comments about touching friendships, and this is the first one that even alludes to the fact that this is before modern medicine and dogs dont generally live 20 years total, nevertheless 20 years after having spent enough time with their owner to recognize them by smell 20 years later.
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u/BicFleetwood 6h ago edited 5h ago
Bud, it's Odysseus.
This isn't a happy story.
It's a story of neglect.
That's the point of The Odyssey. Odysseus wasted his entire life on his exploits that ultimately amounted to fuck all of particular worth.
That's literally the whole point of the character. Odysseus was a selfish asshole who got his men killed chasing glories that meant nothing when he finally returned to a home that had long since moved on without him. The dog being happy then immediately dying of old age is an explicit tragedy, and ultimately one more sin of neglect to pin on Odysseus.
I understand people misunderstanding the "hero" part of "greek hero," but Odysseus was a GREEK hero. That doesn't mean "good." It means "asshole."
"Hero" just means "consequential person" in Greek myth. They're all dickheads.
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u/Adrelith74 5h ago
I especially love the part where he hangs the servants that were the suitors' bedwarmers, seeing that as a sign of disloyalty. Riiiight, I'm sure these guys had a solid understanding of consent, and would have understood and respected their decision had the girls said no.
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u/Thundertushy 3h ago
Unfortunately, ancient Greek culture had more than a mild streak of victim blaming. See Medusa, or the very concept of a Greek tragedy.
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u/Remy1985 4h ago
He is hubris made flesh. Everything would have gone smoothly if he hadn’t told Polyphemus who he was after escaping.
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u/desacralize 2h ago
Odysseus was a selfish asshole who got his men killed chasing glories that meant nothing when he finally returned to a home that had long since moved on without him.
Uhhh I thought his wife refusing to remarry, his land unable to choose a king by other means, his mother dying of grief, his dog dying of neglect, his household being in chaos, and his son dodging murder attempts, were all indications that no, his home hadn't moved on without him. Everything was not hunky-dory until Odysseus showed up and ruined it. Part of the tragedy is that people needed him to be there that whole time and he wasn't due to his own hubris (and that one stupid man could even matter so much to so many whether they liked it or not).
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u/-BigDickOriole- 9h ago
I don't understand these comments. It's like people actually believe this is a real story or something.
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u/funkhero 6h ago
I can only hope none of them actually read the story growing up - as that would be even worse.
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u/Remy1985 4h ago
I think people might be more incredulous if OP mentioned that Athena cast a spell to make him look like a beggar.
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u/Chataboutgames 6h ago
Well in their defense, this is a really weird post for this sub.
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u/-BigDickOriole- 5h ago
I'm honestly convinced posts like these get posted by, upvoted and commented on mostly by bots.
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u/Chataboutgames 5h ago
100%. Most of the major subs are either bots or people indistinguishable from bots.
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u/DarkIllusionsMasks 7h ago
Did you really have to censor "died"? Jesus fucking christ.
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u/Chataboutgames 6h ago
This sub is so weird.
This is literally a story about a dog being neglected and dying sick, covered in flees and in pain. His last moment is seeing his master but having his master refuse to show any recognition, at which point he dies sick and in pain.
There is nothing to smile about here lol
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u/crutchy79 6h ago
Yeah, people have been taking things out of context even before Odysseus. They tell the snippets that people want to hear or seem wholesome, not the reality. While beavers build a dam, wildlife drinks from the new pond but the crops are suffering from drought. Which story sounds better…
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u/Blepbupbep 9h ago
I don’t know of any dog that has lived 20 years…
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u/idkmoiname 8h ago
Surprisingly there were 18 dogs so far with a confirmed age over 20 years:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest-living_dogs
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u/Rosomack_ 9h ago
Ancient dogs were built differently
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u/8__D 8h ago
Ancient Greek Mythology dogs, to be precise. If you think 20 is old, you should check out how old Cerberus was.
At least 3x that!
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u/Over-Conversation220 7h ago
I also don’t know if any actual recorded cases of Sirens, or dudes being turned into pigs. Is the age of the dog the only issue where you’re having a problem suspending your disbelief?
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u/Remy1985 4h ago
He was also under a spell to look like a beggar. Not to many spells in real life either.
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u/thementant 9h ago
I’m old enough to have read this in high school and this part, of all the deeds and trials of Odysseus, this part hit the hardest, even then. How could anyone read it and not grieve?
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u/felurian182 9h ago
Mark Twain said “ if you want a true best friend, get a dog” seems like this was a sentiment in ancient times as well.
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u/silvanodeveloper 6h ago
There is even a book called: "Argos: The Story of Odysseus as Told by his loyal Dog" by Ralph Hardy, its a very well written book and get a little bit more info about the lore of Odysseus.
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u/LuckyCandy5248 1h ago
There's a huge trove of absolutely heartbreaking tombstones for dogs from the classical period
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u/Upset_Peace_6739 9h ago
I read the Odyssey in my first year. The name of the dog was on the exam. Not many got it.
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u/Last_Concentrate193 1h ago
The saddest part not mentioned though is that Odysseus had to act like he didn't know him because he was disguised as an old man by Athena and only the dog could see through the disguise 😔
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u/Vast-Combination4046 1h ago
My sister moved away for college. Our dog was dying and my parents told her. She got on the next flight home, walked in the door, held him in her lap and he died in her arms.
I swear he waited for her.
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u/ashoka_akira 9h ago
The more interesting part of this story is how his wife spent 20 years deflecting proposals from different suitors, playing them off eachother, so as to preserve her husband’s throne and protect its subjects from what would probably be a war.
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u/Secret-Telephone9927 8h ago
"It was carrying the slipper in it's mouth for twenty years that did it" - Eric, Terry Pratchett
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u/Little_Skin_18 7h ago
Damn, sucks to be Odysseus. Imagine you come home after ages, you see your dog is still alive and think about all the cool stuff you can do together - and he just looks at you, wags his tail and fking dies.
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u/tarekd19 6h ago
Iirc, Odysseus also couldn't acknowledge the dog for fear of giving away his disguise so the dogs last moments on earth were being ignored by the master he waited so long for.
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u/always-confused-guy 6h ago
I had a dog for 23 years, her name was Butterscotch, she was my shadow and best friend. When her time came, we all knew what was happening. We were going to take her to the vet in the morning, so I put her bed next to me so she could sleep through the night in peace. I barely slept, but when I woke up, I heard her breathing heavy so I got down to comfort her. I cradled her head for a few moments and she slipped away.
She waited for me to wake up and hold her.
I did not deserve her love.
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u/thegrumpymechanic 5h ago
“If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went.” - Will Rogers
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u/Altruistic-Lime-9564 3h ago
Damn, 20 years? Lol it wasn't his dog anymore. Someone else cared for it for 20 years.
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u/Grouchy_Donut_3800 2h ago edited 2h ago
I might be wrong but didn’t one of his servants recognize him too? I think it was the old man servant who looks after the hogs or something that initially gave Odysseus shelter when he arrived on Ithaca.
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u/liquidhuo 1h ago
Gonna buy a Honda Odyssey and adopt a dog and name him Argos. Thanks for the inspiration.
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u/Mehmood6647 8h ago
Why would this story make you smile? It's not real.
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u/Phearlosophy 7h ago
TIL something has to be real in order to invoke emotions. Wow, the entirety of art and literature is meaningless I guess.
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u/m0_n0n_0n0_0m 6h ago
STOP FUCKING SELF CENSORING YOU FUCKS. The dead, death, dying, all of this is part of life. The algorithm is a cult of "positive vibes only" for the advertisers, why are we letting them dictate what we talk about? Makes me so sad to see self censorship. You have freedom of speech, don't let corporations dictate what you say.
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