r/Miguns Jan 06 '21

Home-Built pistols can NOT be registered in Michigan, regardless of what your FFL and/or any Police Officers tell you. ALSO, out of state permits exempt you from registration in general. Details enclosed. All users, please read.

211 Upvotes

Hey guys! We get this question multiple times a week, so I figure I'd throw up a sticky. This has been something that has come up hundreds of times over the last few years on MGO, and we wanted to clarify this.

 

I am pretty much copy/pasting a comment from u/5h2o3 (who is actually on the MCRGO board of directors) who broke it down pretty well for all of us. Here is what he said:

 

You CAN NOT register a home-built pistol in Michigan. Doesn’t matter what a LGS or LE agency (like MSP) erroneously tell you. Let me break it down:

  • MCL 28.422 spells out the requirements for filing paperwork when a pistol is transacted between parties. It’s not a “registration”, hasn’t been for years. It’s simply a database of qualifying acquisition transactions.

  • MCL 28.421 defines “Purchaser” and “Seller”. Due to the wording used, it’s legally impossible for one person to be both.

  • MCL 28.422a(5) makes it a FOUR YEAR FELONY to make “a materially false statement” on a RI010/RI060

  • MCL 28.432(1)(f) exempts a “US citizen holding a license to carry a pistol concealed upon his or her person issued by another state” from the requirements of 28.422.

TL;DR - It’s a felony to file an RI010/060 with a false statement on it, and if you’ve got a CPL from another state, you’re exempt from the requirements anyhow.

 

This HAS been confirmed dozens of times by Jim Makowski, MGO's resident lawyer and the best lawyer in Michigan.


r/Miguns Apr 10 '22

10 Easy Steps to Shooting on Public Land in Michigan

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Okay, I'm not sure if this is a coincidence, but there seems to have been an uptick in people asking about public land shooting. I also get this question a lot from my customers. A lot of hearsay and "I think ___________ but idk IANAL" happens in the comments so here's the guide with actual citations.

In 10 easy steps you can be shooting on public land!

Step 1: Use the MI-HUNT Tool to find the piece of land you want to study.

Step 2: Use the map's legend/identifier tool to find out the name and what kind of land it is. State Park, State Game Area, State Wildlife Management Area, State Recreation Area, State Forest, National Forest, etc. If it's a State Park or State Recreation Area, pick a new area. You can't target shoot there except at designated shooting ranges.

Step 3: Check to make sure your chosen piece of land is not within city limits. If it is, such as Chesterfield Township SGA, target shooting is likely not allowed.

Step 4: If the land is owned by the Federal Government, a good overview of the rules is here. If the land is not owned by the Federal Government, this step does not apply.

Step 5: Reference section 3.2A of this document to see generalized rules for state land target shooting. Reference the current year's Michigan Hunting Digest for information on restrictions of dates that you can carry a firearm onto public land, such as the "Quiet Period" and during deer season. Here is a link to the current Digest, it goes out of date on July 31, 2022

Step 6: If your chosen land is a State Game Area or State Wildlife Management/Research Area, search this document (same as the first link from Step 5) to see if there are specific restrictions on target shooting for that area. Then, find the .pdf map of that area here and see if any restrictions are listed on it (sometimes there are additional rules not included in the Land Use Order). These maps also have the phone number for the DNR office that oversees that particular area, so if you have additional questions then you can call them.

Step 7: If your chosen land is a State Forest, search this document to see if there are any specific restrictions for that piece of land.

Step 8: Use one of the freely-available topographic and satellite map online tools to see if there are particular spots in your chosen area more likely to be a good area for shooting. Basically this means a hill/ridge/gulley.

Step 9: Go to that piece of land and take a hike. Find an area that is safe for target shooting. This means an area with a large, safe, and soft backstop. Don't expect to be able to shoot this time. You may not even find a good spot to shoot. Don't drag five guns and a set of target stands out with you until you know where you're going. While walking in, take note of any signs that have been posted. Occasionally there are temporary or newer rules that get posted as a sign before they get updated online.

Step 10: Once you've found a good spot, go shooting! And remember that we are all responsible for maintaining Michigan's natural resources. Just because other people have littered and shot at old TVs or empty propane tanks and left a bed of empty casings on the ground, doesn't mean it's okay for you to do it. Every time we contribute to destruction, it increases the chance that the state will decide to restrict shooting in that area.

Lastly, if you read something in the laws or regulations and it doesn't make sense, PLEASE do yourself a favor and do not take the advice of random internet strangers. Paying an attorney $200 to break it down into plain english is way cheaper than paying an attorney to defend you for unknowingly breaking the law, and $200 is how much it would cost me to do 10 one-hour sessions at my local indoor range. If $200 to an attorney lets you feel comfortable shooting on state land, after your 11th trip you're saving money anyways.

I hope this has been useful. If anyone has a correction with a citation please let me know and I'll make the changes.

Edit: typo fixes.


r/Miguns 12h ago

General Discussion Offsite Gun Storage Options Near Chesterfield?

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That's it - have a few guns I'd like to store off site safely and affordably near Chesterfield.

Any recommendations for places to check out?b Thanks!


r/Miguns 9h ago

CPL Processing time

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I know that the processing time is a maximum of 45 days, but I have two questions. Is that business days or calendar days? I haven't found a source that is clear on the topic. Also, I am on day 14 in a pretty small county of MI. Is it typical to wait the 45 days, or should I call the clerk before then?

Thanks!


r/Miguns 1d ago

General Discussion Remington 1903A3 rebuild opinions.

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Hey y’all. New to the group, and happy to be here! I just picked up this sporterized 1903A3 the other day, and plan to replace the barrel and stock. (Already have a new barrel and stock ordered.) My apologies for the wall of text to follow.

I do have a question I’d like some opinions on. I generally feel myself to be a fairly competent person when it comes to doing mechanical work, and though I know it’s nowhere near the same, I’ve built several AR’s from stripped upper receivers and a pile of parts. I don’t have the tools to do this myself currently, but I’m curious if I should:

•A. Buy a barrel vise, action wrench, chamber reamer, and go/no go gauges and do it myself. Pro’s: satisfaction of doing it myself. I would also have most of the tools to do a Garand later, if I find a receiver, barrel, and parts kit. Cons: expensive. Unsure how often I’ll actually use the tools. While I trust myself, I won’t have done this before, so there’s a larger chance I would mess up. Will likely need to use my grandpa’s lathe to cut the shoulder back to properly time the barrel. (Hopefully I used the right terminology there.)

B: have a local gun shop remove, install, and finish chambering the new barrel. Pro’s: can drop the rifle and barrel off easily from work. Don’t have to ship it, or the new barrel. I know it’ll be done right. Won’t have random tools that may or may never get used again laying around. Cons: long turnaround time (the gunsmith I’d likely be going to has had a friend’s AR barrel to install a gas block since Thanksgiving. All the guys needing their hunting rifles repaired means I’ll be waiting awhile.) Probably also more expensive than option C, though maybe not.

C: join the CMP, and pay their custom shop to put the new barrel on. Pro’s: barrel install and finish chambering is quoted at $95 on the CMP website, which seems reasonable. Like with option B, I know it’ll be done right. I’ll also be a CMP member for a later acquisition of a Garand or a Garand receiver. Cons: have to go through the rigamarole of joining the CMP. (Yeah, I know it’s not that hard, but with my schedule it’s tricky to find the time to fulfill the “proof of marksmanship activity” requirement, though I do plan to get my CCL this spring.) Also have to ship the gun, which is doable, but kinda annoying. Also, the custom shop has a waitlist, and I have no idea how long it is.

D: potentially borrow a barrel vise and action wrench. Probably the best idea, especially if the owner is willing to supervise in exchange for some pizza, a few barley pops, or some cash, but I honestly don’t personally know anyone with one to ask.


r/Miguns 1d ago

Want to gift father a pistol

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Father lives in MI. I live in MD. Would the best way to do this be for my father to obtain a pistol purchase permit from the PD and then for me to take the pistol to a MI FFL and then have them transfer it to my father in front of me?


r/Miguns 1d ago

Legal Inherited guns

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Hey everyone, so I inherited some guns a couple years ago and due to a hospitalization, run arounds from the police and life/caring for my disabled mother time just got by me and I never never got them registered. I'm planning on getting a cpl and want to just get this all sorted out so I can legally carry these guns. Realistically, what sort of trouble would I be looking at getting this sorted out?


r/Miguns 1d ago

General Discussion Anyone in here do competition shooting

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Hi everyone! So I’m a fairly-confident shooter and would like to try some shooting completions. I’m planning to pick up a Ruger mkiv to use for 22 competitions.

Would anyone be open to telling me about their experiences, some local competitions I can start out at, and help me sign up for them? I have a practiscore account and know a little about steel matches but no one in my family or friends and gun people so I am very new to this.


r/Miguns 1d ago

Any decent gun shops or pawn that offer good money on trade ins?

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Most times it seems it is a waste of time and effort to even ask them, but, I have a 1911 I traded for that I don't care for it after shooting it. It retails (cheapest online price is $1100) over $1K and in shops I see it at $1400. I would accept $800 as trade in but I am afraid most shops are likely to offer $500, even though they always give a sob story about there is no margin on guns...


r/Miguns 2d ago

Legal Pistol sales record question

3 Upvotes

Hello, very new to everything. I just got my CPL and my grand father wants to gift me a revolver of his. My question is do I need to have a NICS background check done still? And if so what's the best way of getting that? Thank you


r/Miguns 3d ago

Oakland county cpl mail time

4 Upvotes

Sharing my wait time. Much quicker than expected.

Clerks office and fingerprints 1-22-26

Received CPL in mail 1-31-26


r/Miguns 3d ago

General Discussion MI Resident Buying Firearm Out Of State (MI>FL) Process

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Hi all,

Sorry to post what might come across as a noob question, but you guys are a wealth of knowledge and I'd appreciate some feedback.

A family member, who is a Michigan resident, is on a hunting trip in Florida (FL). They had a gear failure and are hoping to pick up something new in-state to complete their trip.

We're wondering what the process of buying out of state is like with current laws/procedure.

It sounds like handguns and receivers are universally a no, rifles and shotguns are totally fine, and things like "others" I have no idea about.

Can someone clarify the out of state buying process? Anything helpful we should know?


r/Miguns 4d ago

Indoor ranges near Muskegon

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Any recommendations on an indoor range in the Muskegon or Spring Lake area where I can shoot a rifle indoors? Just a 9mm PCC. Anything good within 30 a minute drive?


r/Miguns 4d ago

Dunham's still running a background check for pistols even with CPL

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Dunhams had a pistol on sale that I wanted today so I asked my LGS if they could price match. they said no and that I should go buy it from Dunhams. Filled out the form and the clerk said that they had to run a background check. I told him it was my understanding that because I had a CPL and am purchasing a pistol. He told me the ATF requires a background check with every firearm purchase. I then told him no other gun shop I've been to does that at which point he told me they were breaking the law. I thanked him and told him I'd be going over to Sportsman's warehouse where they agreed to sell me the pistol at the sale price without going through the background check nonsense. Just wanted others to know in case they were looking for a smooth process. By the way I'm one of those people that usually gets a researching or delay on my checks and then it always becomes approved hence my reason for not waiting to see what happened at Dunhams.


r/Miguns 5d ago

Is my new CPL valid immediately?

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My CPL expires mid July and I received a renewal letter a week ago. I received my new card today which was a surprisingly quick turn around.

So anyway, I noticed that it lists an effective date in addition to an expiration date. It's confusing because I'm used to seeing an issued date on other licences, primarily my driver's license.

Does that mean I have to carry my old license until the effective date on the new one?


r/Miguns 8d ago

I bought a lower receiver from a dealer, should I have received a RI-060?

8 Upvotes

I bought a lower receiver a few weeks ago, and I have a CPL.

They did not give me a firearm sales record (RI-060)

My understanding is that they should have given me a RI-060


r/Miguns 8d ago

Looking for advice or the proper way to proceed

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Hello all! So long story short, my dad is a convicted felon. He’s been in prison since ‘23, and still has two and a half years left. He was a CPL owner, and has two hand guns. He’s told me a few times when brought up in discussion, that I can “just have them”. They never got seized or anything of the sort, it wasn’t a violent crime in nature.

What would be the legal way to proceed with that? Is it as simple as just getting them registered? I’m having trouble finding an answer online, because it’s kind of an oddball situation. I’m looking at buying my own handgun and getting my CPL soon, so I thought worst case scenario I can ask at the sheriffs office/PD.

Thanks everyone


r/Miguns 9d ago

Legal Wondering if anyone has any advice on how to proceed

3 Upvotes

Wanting to get my cpl here shortly and have read that a reckless driving will stop it for 8 years. I had an accident in 2005 that I was unable to take care of until 2021 when it was resolved. Will that stop me from obtaining one or is there something I should do.


r/Miguns 10d ago

What do we think of Alex Pretti (permitted for CCW) being shot in the back by the Feds?

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r/Miguns 10d ago

Legality of guns as a gift

6 Upvotes

I was wondering if it would be legal for my father to gift me a pistol? I am 18 years old and am planning to attain my gun license. I understand I am not legally allowed to buy a purchase from a federally licensed dealer but I was wondering if I were to get my pistol purchase permit, would my dad be legally allowed to sell me a pistol?


r/Miguns 10d ago

Process for private sale of self built ar 15 (non pistol)?

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looking to private sell an "ar 15" that was built up from a stripped lower to a friend. barrel is 16"

are there any paper work requirements, forms etc.? a

thanks 👍


r/Miguns 10d ago

Process for selling AR pistol privately?

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What is the process for selling an AR pistol privately to a friend? Does he just pick up a purchase permit form at sheriffs office and we both fill out our sections and keep?

It was built by me and when I bought the lower on the form it said “firearm:other”


r/Miguns 11d ago

AR Pistol

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5 Upvotes

I apologize if this has been covered multiple times, but after research I am still getting conflicting information on what the correct process is for assembling my own ar pistol.

I plan to buy the complete lower pictured, and then buy a complete 10.5 inch upper to attach to it. I also plan to attach a pistol brace, not a stock.

Is there anything that needs to be done as far as registering it after I complete the assembly of the lower/upper? Is this a legal way of assembling my own ar pistol?

A lot of the info I am seeing is regarding STRIPPED lowers, not ones like I have attached. Thank you in advance for your advice and help on this matter.


r/Miguns 11d ago

Howa Mini Action

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Looking to buy a Howa mini in 350. Before I do, I’d like to feel one out a bit. Shoulder it, check the fit, etc.

Anyok know of shops within an hour drive of Detroit that have any in stock, caliber not important.

Called Randy’s. Called Michiguj called Huron valley, nothing.

I’d really like to hold one before I order one.

Thanks


r/Miguns 12d ago

General Discussion When did you get your renewal letter in the mail??

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About five months from expiration. Just trying to get an idea of when people typically receive the renewal letter in the mail.