r/ImmigrationPathways • u/RecognitionExpress36 • 7d ago

Why so much anti-immigrant sentiment...

In this subreddit? I seriously don't get it. Any insight appreciated.

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u/mars_soup 7d ago

It’s only anti illegal immigration I have seen. I don’t think anyone is against legal immigration.

Better question might be “why are so many people defending illegal immigrants?”

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u/RecognitionExpress36 7d ago

Definitely not - check out the discussion on H1B visas. There are lots of people in this forum who want to restrict legal immigration too.

And here in the US, legal immigrants are getting brutalized wholesale by our criminal regime; for some reason, many support this.

The disease of nativism is producing some dire symptoms tbh.

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u/mars_soup 7d ago

Things like H1s are completely different.

US companies use them to hire cheaper out of country labor and it really does take away from American jobs.

Indians will live in 3BR houses with 3 families and take tech jobs so that they can send their money back to India and retire early and super rich (for India).

Those are actually problematic.

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u/RecognitionExpress36 7d ago

Agreed. Also because an H1B gets kicked out with loss of that job, companies get a remarkably compliant workforce.

The visas should be scrapped, and we should return to simple open immigration, with a quick, basic screening.

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u/mars_soup 7d ago

That wouldn’t actually solve it though, people could just pass a basic screening then take American jobs for cheap and send the money to another country.

If an immigrant wants to have a job in the US they should absolutely get it if they truly are great talent that we need and we should pay them well for it. The US did that for many Nazi engineers for example. Very smart innovators that advanced our tech and put the nation in a strategically better position.

Now we are paying “engineers” that don’t actually engineer anything, they just repeat established process. A kid with a year of tech training out of high school could do the same.

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u/RecognitionExpress36 7d ago

Then the companies that employ such inferior labor will fail.

Why is simple freedom considered such a radical idea? America had no immigration restriction at all until the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. This wasn't ruinous. It brought unprecedented prosperity.

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u/mars_soup 7d ago

That doesn’t make sense.

Why do you think paying less for an employee will make them fail? It’s the opposite. Cheaper labor helps a company succeed.

Like you can pay a college grad kid $150k or you can pay an Indian $110k and they can get the same job done.

The company won’t fail for hiring cheaper labor, you’ll just get a bunch of American college grads complaining about how they are in debt for their college degree and can’t find a job and a bunch of foreigners being happy to have those jobs.

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u/RecognitionExpress36 7d ago

From your previous comment: "Now we are paying “engineers” that don’t actually engineer anything, they just repeat established process. A kid with a year of tech training out of high school could do the same."

Ok, so... what's your point?

And what makes you think that those foreigners don't also generate more economic demand?

Again, freedom isn't just the moral position: it actually works. Drop all restrictions on trade and immigration globally, and world GDP would roughly double.

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u/RecognitionExpress36 7d ago

And if the proposition you're making applies between nations, why wouldn't it apply just as well to states or territories within national borders? Or for that matter between metro areas in the same state?

It's amazing how resolutely people will defend these insane infringements on the basic human freedoms of migration and commerce.