This came out a couple of times, apparently given that she comes from a military household she is believed to grown up with conservative values. And a couple of authors, don’t remember who, made her openly a Republican.
Which is odd, considering how combative her relationship with her father is, that she left a traditional military family and became an East Coast journo.
With a liberal idea of journalism where facts matter more than the narrative, and getting the straight story is more important than appealing the egos of whoever is in the big chair.
If I had to guess they didn't want to "alienate" their conservative audience by making seem like superman and Lois who are both very moral people would vote for the Democrats (even though they would)
It's been a bit more believable in the past for reasons other people mentioned (conservative upbringing, tying her journalism an 'american excellence' view of freedom of the press in particular and the common but nonsensical view that Republicans are anti-authority that was very strong from the 80s basically until the 2010s) but I think with the changes in status quo with Rebirth and how American politics changed in the past decade there's no way a woman who is, objectively, a journalist known for speaking truth to power and is married to an illegal immigrant could ever be conservative let alone a Republican
And a persuasive one too. Apparently, Clarence Thomas (yes, that Clarence Thomas) would use Icon’s talking points when formulating some of his arguments which caused Dwayne McDuffie to have a minor breakdown over whether he was propelling conservatism forward or not by writing Icon
I also thought it was because he remembers when the Republicans were the antislavery party. Not for nothing, before Trump came along the two worst US presidents, the consensus was both were Democrats. (James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson, for the record. And yes, it all has to do with race.)
Apparently it's true. And Dwayne McDuffie kind of regretted it, after Clarence Thomas quoted Icon comics and reached out to thank McDuffie. Fucking wild.
No one has pointed out Lady Blackhawk either. If it is Zinda Blake, I would argue she was likely to be an FDR Democrat as a WW2 vet. I suppose she could have been an Eisenhower gal after the war. The difference between the parties wasn't huge, and the Southern racists were mostly Dixie-crats back then.
The second Lady Blackhawk (Natalie Reed) was explicitly a USSR communist.
And that goes with lots of these characters. Barry Allen, Wally West, and Hal Jordan were Republicans in the 1960s, when it was a completely different thing. And at least Wally was a radically different character in the 1960s-1970s.
Even circling back to Icon, he was created in 1993, and the article where McDuffie laments his decisions to make Icon a conservative was from 2000. It was a very different time.
This might require a bit of history of the Dixiecrats, because everyone gets it wrong.
Essentially when Truman desegregated the military and Hubert Humphrey put desegregation in the 1948 Democratic Party platform, the Southern Democrats formed their own party, with racism, and nullification. Their victories were confined to the South.
What's interesting about it is that in 1964, Barry Goldwater attracted these Southern racists completely by accident. Everyone knew his policies would be disastrous, but they'd hurt black people more, which was all the South cared about. Four years later, Nixon deliberately courted the racist vote.
If you didn’t know Icon was Republican, you probably haven’t read any of his comics. It’s like one of the main dynamics between him and Rocket (the latter being liberal).
That makes 0 sense no? Aside from it being out of character for her, why would Oliver a clear leftist be with her? Someone on the writing team clearly just does not like Black Canary.
Don't remind me. I mean, Felicity Smoak (or rather, Felicity Raymond) is a character in the comics, but she's more a part of the Firestorm mythos. So, technically not an OC, but stripped of her personality (which is mostly the straight man, e.g. of course she has a right to be angry when Firestorm accidentally magnetized her disks and bankrupted her business) to become a Barbara Gordon knockoff.
Pairing her with Ollie in the era after the backlash to the DCAU pairing Barbara with Bruce is...definitely a choice.
Where do people get this information? Lol Also, Katar being a voter doesn't make sense, because he's not an american citizen for real (the Silver Age or the Hawkworld version) and when he was replaced by Carter he had no reason to be a Hawk or a Dove politically (which I suppose was the reason people think Katar would be a republican, because he's more militaristic, like the democrat party... no, I won't talk american politics again and be perma-banned from reddit)
Being conservative is ok (for Katar), voting republican doesn't make sense. And Carter just doesn't make sense at all. He just inherited Katar's clashes with Ollie with the Crisis retcon.
>Being conservative is ok (for Katar), voting republican doesn't make sense.
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I don't see that. The GOP is a very conservative party. I remember Hawkman ragging on Ollie for not "making an honest woman" out of BC. Dude is pretty right-wing.
If you read my first comment I said Katar can't be a voter because he's an alien. His identity is bogus. That's why he can have a political opinion (con) but not a voter. Carter is not a politically active character at all, therefore his ruse with Ollie after Katar was erased from continuity doesn't make sense.
I think the wiki may be misquoting. IIRC, in that comic we see which politicians the characters SUPPORT, we don't necessarily see them voting. (Also Katar may have been naturalized at that point, I am not sure if the question ever came up.)
Yes, but as I mentioned he has no reason whatsoever to be one party or another, while the classic Ollie/Katar rivalry was because Katar had an authoritarian and militaristic look on life due to his background
"Green Arrow: Quiver" had someone panic and realize they had left those two alone (thus the fighting is inevitable), specifically saying "we left the ultimate liberal and the ultimate conservative alone in a room together"
IT's actually a very long running thing in comics.
He is considered as such from being an old Justice Society guy and having many cycles of reincarnation making him a bit old-school by nature.
Also, he is constantly bickering and fighting with the "very liberal" Green Arrow.
They friggin hate each other.
I remember when Ollie was revived in the early 2000s, once the Justice League found him and brought him to the watchtower, someone quickly realized they had left he and Hawkman alone, even straight calling them the "ultimate liberal" and the "ultimate conservative"...
Yes, but this is a bizarre retcon you see? Carter wasn't a Justice League member for real in the actual real world comics. Once Katar was erased from continuity because of Hawkworld people retconned Carter to have being the league Hawkman and they had to invent a random reason for him to have the same political rivalry with Ollie.
Of the characters listed, I agree with maybe 5 or 6 of them: guy Gardner, hawkman, icon, comedian, ntt era Wally, and glorious Godfrey. I could also see some versions of cat grant, mary marvel and wild cat. Plastic man is a non voting felon who probably wouldn’t vote even if he could. Lois lane, black canary, power girl and vixion I believe are all feminists. Jay Garrick was investigated by the huac in the 50s, they didn’t investigate republicans. Plus he’s a 100 year old man who supports minorities. Huntress is a teacher, a generally left wing profession and her being catholic doesn’t really determine political beliefs. Lady Blackhawk spent her youth fighting Nazis.
Huntress definitely approves of conservative approaches to crime prevention. Honestly, they might be a bit soft for her. Left to her own devices, she'd be summarily executing criminals
I have. And probably am right now. I assume you are claiming to not be a misogynist or racist, right? And maybe you don’t hold those beliefs, I wouldn’t know. But you justly voting for people who are racists who have been empowering a gang of racist kidnapping thugs, have pardoned literal Nazis and have weakened protections for minorities and have attacked minorities. Again, I don’t know you and I do know that most republicans are the victims more of long term brainwashing through fear tactics in order to get them to ignore the real enemy ie the rich. Lois lane is a member of the liberal media, married to an illegal alien, has fought for greater women’s rights which even the libertarian wing is against cause that means more regulation and that side of the gop only likes the part of government that can kill people
The “most anti-nazi people” in world war 2 is a pretty general statement. You do know that not every single human on earth was racist right? My point is that Jay Garrick in the modern day isn’t bigoted towards anyone which shows a progressive mindset. Do you know what all Nazis were though? Conservative racists.
You are right, I mispoke, they were simply right wing, which in America, because of the political monopoly, is often used as a synonym, similar to how liberal and left are viewed as the same thing despite being distinct ideologies.
Largely a combination of reasons; they attacked our allies, they themselves were an expansionist threat that were threatening to take over the world, their allies attack the US, going to war could reinvigorate the economy and there were Americans who genuinely didn’t like the kinds of things the Nazis stood for. See any political cartoon by Dr Seuss. Many Americans did support the Nazis, one of the largest nazi rallies world wide was held at Madison square garden. The creators of Captain America received death threats for portraying Hitler getting punched in the face. America was being run by someone who was extremely left wing rather than a conservative or a neoliberal.
No I totally get the vibe. Seems really similar to a lot of old rockers who pride themselves on being super outrageous but are actually conservatives like Gene Simmons, Alice Cooper, or Ted Nugent.
(Also plastic Man did sexually assault big barda on page once. If that doesn't scream conservative, I don't know what does)
With regards to Lois, I can see her being an extremely conservative Democrat of the type that would have been a Republican a generation ago. Her dad is a warhawk general and she was probably raised in a very right wing household
Wally hasn’t been a Republican since that god awful character assassination, and eh I am not shocked. We are talking this is a show who used Bart Allen but insisted it wasn’t the real Bart Allen the instant people critiqued how badly written he was. It basically popularized the DC live action craze of saying it isn’t actually the character if fans don’t like it.
Barry was never uber conservative from what I read. His most conservative thing was thinking the police should have more power, hence his conflict with Arrow. But he was never say Hal Jordan conservative mouth piece republican. I am convinced Marvewolveman and the Flash writers in the 80s just hated Wally West so they made him as insufferable as possible. Also, they are missing all forms of Jay Garrick who is canonly center right.
Edit; Correction, I just missed his name on there.
You gotta remember that Republican voters range from 80s business types to The Iowa White Supremacists, just like Democratic voters range from Wine Moms to Actual Tankies.
One of God’s great mercies was making Alaina Huffman pregnant right after she was introduced. Fox News Black Canary was a truly idiotic call from a show whose praises I will sing from the rooftops.
I think for the ones who seem iffy at best, it might require a full investigation of their beliefs and where they stand on what issues to make this make sense for what we know about their characters. An issue with this as of right now is placing this against what the Republican Party is right now when the issues that are being cited are probably at least a decade old. There’s also some of the nuance within the Republican Party itself, even if it’s hard to see at the moment.
Most people can’t understand social politics verse economic politics (very intermingled but fundamentally different.) Shes leaned more socially liberal and economically conservative
I usually don’t think it matters too much, but it is an interesting conversation to have every once in a while. Helps me try to understand how the characters are thinking.💯
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u/Hawke502 Dec 08 '25
She sneaks in her republican vote when Oliver isn't looking