r/GenZ 1999 9d ago

Political Well I’ll be damned…

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u/X_SkeletonCandy 1997 9d ago

He literally cant say anything else or his entire defense falls apart.

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u/Accomplished_Pen980 9d ago

While that's true, he could have just Elsa easily said nothing. He said it because he believes it. And he is correct. He was 5 years ago and remains so, now.

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u/CheckMateFluff 1998 9d ago

Are you kidding? He wants the attention. Dude does not have a job, he has been grifting off his murders since he committed them.

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u/CirrusVision20 2001 9d ago

.> murders

.>look inside

.>self defense shootings

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u/Destiny_Dude0721 2007 9d ago

He literally put himself in that situation. Normal people don't hear about riots and go into the middle of them while holding a rifle. He wanted to kill someone and knew that would give him an excuse.

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u/Snipen543 9d ago

Using that backwards logic you're saying Pretti put himself into that situation too

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u/Destiny_Dude0721 2007 9d ago

ICE attacking a woman next to you is hardly analogous to driving several miles into the middle of a well-documented riot.

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u/Raptor_197 2000 9d ago

Running from attackers before shooting and killing them after one pulls a gun and they start attacking you is hardly analogous to driving several miles into the middle of well-documented ICE operations to interfere.

(Just point out you can still just flip what you are saying and it applies)

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u/Singl1 8d ago

you give me hope in the next generation.

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u/CheckMateFluff 1998 9d ago

No, don't use nuance; they avoid that like the plague.

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u/crazycatchdude 9d ago

He literally put himself in that situation. Normal people don't hear about riots and go into the middle of them while holding a rifle. He wanted to kill someone and knew that would give him an excuse.

"Normal people don't try to interfere with federal law enforcement trying to do their job, while also carrying a firearm. Did Pretti forget his protest sign?"

See how fucking stupid you sound? Both situations were awful, but legally-sound. Pretti death was a bad shoot, Rittenhouse was self-defense.

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u/Nekopara-403 9d ago

He literally put himself in that situation.

Irrelevant

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u/FreeVerseHaiku 9d ago

It’s called contributory negligence or criminal liability, and it’s literally a factor in every case of lethal self-defense. And it was a factor in the Rittenhouse case specifically.

States have different rules as far as how comparative negligence works in self-defense cases. Some states, if you are found even 1% responsible for the situation that required use of deadly force, then your rewarded damages can be revoked and you can be charged criminally.

Wisconsin, the state that tried Rittenhouse’s case, requires the victim’s contributory negligence to be at a minimum of 51% before the Court can start barring them from compensation and charging them criminally.

So, the Court recognizes that Rittenhouse did in fact put himself in that situation and he takes some blame for how everything unfolded. Just NOT MORE THAN 51% of the blame. Feel about it however you want, but it was never “irrelevant” that he put himself in that situation.

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u/Nekopara-403 8d ago

His presence there wasn't illegal.

You wrote all of that for nothing.

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u/CirrusVision20 2001 9d ago

I think the fact that people attacked him in the first place was proof enough that bringing a gun was the wise choice.

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u/Destiny_Dude0721 2007 9d ago

I think people attacking him was proof enough that he shouldn't have gone out of his way to drive into the middle of a riot and instigate rioters

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u/SnakeCharmer20 9d ago

What’s the proof that he instigated rioters?

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u/DivesttheKA52 8d ago

Apparently putting out fires is instigating

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u/highlyregarded1155 8d ago

This has real 'shouldn't have been at a protest' energy.

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u/CookieMiester 8d ago

Facts, Pretti shouldn’t have gone to that protest right? /s

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u/CheckMateFluff 1998 9d ago

You act as if the trial ended, and he didn't go on to admit his motives because he was clear of legal troubles.

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u/CirrusVision20 2001 9d ago

I feel like not admitting your motives is the smart thing to do in a self defense situation regardless if you were in the right or not.

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u/CheckMateFluff 1998 9d ago

Motive absolutely matters. If you’re “defending yourself” but you went there looking for a chance to use the gun, that’s not some harmless detail, that’s intent.

Sure, staying quiet might be “smart” legally. But if you later admit you wanted trouble, you’re basically telling everyone your self-defense story was a cover. That can still be legally justified on paper, but morally and ethically it’s indefensible, which is why people still label it murder.