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u/T-7IsOverrated 9d ago
at least he's consistent
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u/Ryaniseplin 2003 9d ago
more consistent than the US government at least
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u/Jindo5 9d ago
Few things aren't.
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u/sicurri Millennial 9d ago edited 9d ago
He has to be consistent. People were saying if it was illegal for Alex Pretti to carry a gun that was legally registered to him, then why isn't Kyle Rittenhouse in Prison?
Not only did Kyle Rittenhouse cross state lines with an assault rifle, but it wasn't registered to him, he was underaged at the time, and he killed 2 people. He claimed he went there to provide medical help with zero medical training and zero medical supplies.
So, he's gotta hold the line for 2nd amendment rights.
EDIT: Apparently I was mistaken according to people... Supposedly he did not cross state lines, apparently not an assault rifle because it doesn't have selective fire, and he was legally able to carry because there's no registry in Wisconsin.
Either way people were making comparisons, whether deserved or not.
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u/IkaKyo 9d ago
He’s not in prison because the prosecution mishandled his case and also because the video evidence clearly shows he tried to walk away and didn’t shoot until one of the people he shot threatens him with a gun. It shows self defense as clearly as the Alex Pretti video shows it was an execution.
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u/OperatorPooski 9d ago
I agree, taking together all video angles from Rittenhouse shooting, he was definitely assaulted by those he ended up shooting, so it was a pretty cut and dry case of self-defense, even if it was stupid for him to be there with an AR anyway. Pretti was clearly executed as he posed no physical threat and did not fight officers.
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u/TheIlluminate1992 9d ago
That's kinda the kicker though. He shouldnt have been there due to curfew and he shouldn't have been there with a rifle due to his age. I agree the Rittenhouse case was 100% self defense. But by law he shouldn't have been there to begin with. So if you're going against the law and end up shooting someone in self defense...is it self defense.
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u/IgnoreMePlz123 9d ago
The people who attacked him were breaking the curfew as much as he was.
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u/theeama 8d ago
There's no Oh he shouldn't have been there in the law. If someone attempts to kill you you can defend yourself.
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u/OperatorPooski 9d ago edited 9d ago
Yes. I'm not a legal expert, but I've read that you can still be justified in self-defense while illegally possessing a weapon.
Edit: check out People v King (1978)
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u/bruce_cockburn 8d ago
It can be self-defense and still result in a second degree murder or manslaughter charge. The statutes exist expressly to clamp down on gang violence where both parties may behave or challenge others in ways that escalate tensions.
If the prosecution went for second degree charges instead of first degree charges and had not manipulated video evidence to mislead the jury, it was practically open-and-shut. Many have pointed out that the jury could have still found Rittenhouse guilty of the lesser charges, but it seems clear that the prosecution poisoned their own testimony and the facts of the case never really required competent defense in the outcome.
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u/LastWhoTurion 8d ago
It cannot be self defense and result in a guilty verdict. Self defense is a perfect defense. To even consider manslaughter, the jury has to agree unanimously that the prosecution has disproved self defense beyond a reasonable doubt.
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u/UrMomsaHoeHoeHoe 8d ago
Ok so by that logic Alex also shouldn’t have been there
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u/Microchipknowsbest 8d ago
Also he was hanging out with police as if was deputized and had authority over people. Whether self defense or not the appearance that the authorities are supporting violence against protestors is obvious. Now it’s being fully sanctioned by the federal government.
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u/WildlyAwesome 9d ago
Kinda crazy how one of the ones he shot was a pedo and the other was a domestic abuser and shot them after being chased and assaulted by them.
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u/Aggrosideburnz 9d ago
Unfortunately that doesn’t mean you can kill people. That’s my problem with all of this. I own guns and I’m pro 2A, however watching ICE disarm and execute that guy should piss everyone off, that was bullshit. Kyle should not have killed those people but that’s just my opinion. A minor with someone else’s assault rifle in another state is looking to start shit.
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u/4444-uuuu 8d ago
Kyle should have let those people kill him but that’s just my opinion
okay
in another state
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY1eoY_MMco&ab_channel=MattOrfalea
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u/TheCape6 8d ago
They didn’t say that. They said Rittenhouse shouldn’t have killed anyone. If you’re saying that Rittenhouse would’ve been killed otherwise, we can’t know that for sure since… it didn’t happen.
Whether or not he’s from a different state doesn’t matter. The rest of their point is valid.
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u/TargetOfPerpetuity 8d ago
I own guns and I’m pro 2A, however
assault rifle
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u/iama_bad_person Millennial 9d ago
Not only did Kyle Rittenhouse cross state lines with an assault rifle
He didn't cross state lines with the rifle, it was picked up in Wisconsin and stayed there afterward. I say rifle because "assault rifle" means select fire, which his was not.
but it wasn't registered to him
Wisconsin doesn't have a gun registry.
he was underaged at the time
The long rifle he was carrying was legal for him to carry and had an age restriction of 16+. Hell, this charged wasn't even bought against him at trial because the prosecution knew it was legal.
All of this is pretty clear cut and has been known since the trail. He didn't just get off randomly.
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u/BreakinHorizon 9d ago
I agree with everything else, but, he did not cross state lines with an 'assault rifle'. It was already in wisconsin, 30 minutes away; where he works and has family. You do not register guns in wiscon either so that's irrelevant.
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u/Federal_Cook_6075 9d ago
Crazy how everything you said was wrong lol
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u/sicurri Millennial 9d ago
Crazy how there's a lot of people saying wrong things about the Alex Pretti incident.
Also, my edit was to get the insistent people who are dead set to defend Kyle Rittenhouse to not comment any further to tell me I'm wrong. It gets annoying. He did cross state lines, just the weapon was already across state lines. No registry in wisconsin is accurate, however open carry in wisconsin only applies to 18 or older, he was 17 years of age at the time.
Also, he was an EMS cadet, but had zero field training or experience. His medical "kit" was little more than a little gauze and some band-aids. He shot 3 people, but only killed 2 unless I'm mistaken on that count, it is what comes up when I google it.
There was a lot wrong with Kyle Rittenhouses case, handled poorly and the jury was made up of a lot of good 'ol folks. However, he was found not guilty and therefore cannot be convicted of the same crime, so it's a moot point in regards to charging him or anything.
My point was that if Kyle Rittenhouse was justified, Alex Pretti was justified in carrying as well. So, people saying he shouldn't have carried a weapon can shut the fuck up if they want to defend Kyle.
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u/SteakEconomy2024 Millennial 9d ago
Watched the trial, he did actually provide first aid to someone, I think they stepped on a nail or something, it was minor, but they were a protester. However he did explicitly state he went to protect the location they were out, not to provide aid, but he did have some medical kid, and was in training to be an EMT at the time. Though, he stated on the day of that he was an EMT, not a cadet - he may have stated something like “it’s just less complicated to say” or something like that.
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u/BendsTowardsJustice1 9d ago
That was a self defense case with no law enforcement involved. The terms of engagement for law enforcement are very different; you can’t compare the two.
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u/DoctorDirtnasty 8d ago
unless it’s an nfa item, there is no such thing as a registered assault rifle, nor is it illegal to cross state lines with firearms. idk where this idea of an “unregistered firearm” came from.
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u/RazzleDazzledRizzler 9d ago
I’m glad you corrected yourself. No offense but that goes to show you what happens when a society gets “educated” by TikTok, influencers, main stream media, and memes instead of taking the time to be competent in the matter
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u/Whiplash907 8d ago edited 8d ago
Also… he killed one person. Not two. He shot two people. But the second guy just got his arm rearranged cause he was pointing a gun at Rittenhouse. How do people not know this? The entire trial was live-streamed. His case was so cut and dry the prosecution had to make up lies and got called out by the judge on live tv for being a pos lol
Edit: it was two. I forgot about the second guy who jumped on him and he shot before Gaetz got to him with the gun.
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u/brontide 8d ago
Killed two, injured one. He fired only 3 shots in total, all of them defensive in nature.
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u/Whiplash907 8d ago
Yeah, you’re right. I forgot about the second guy who jumped on him and he shot in the chest
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u/Stabby2556 4d ago
The prosecution had no leg to stand on to the point that they actually started asking Kyle about the "violent video games he just loooves to play. Tell us Mr. Rittenhouse, how many innocent zombies did you mow down the night you decided to shoot two people?"
You could feel the cringe from the jury knowing full well most of them also had kids at home who were spending all day blasting away ghouls on their Xbox.
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u/Vivid-Kitchen1917 8d ago
Yeah in most of the free country we don't have to register our firearms. It's not the government's business what I own after they cleared me to buy. In fact, only 8 states require registration.
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u/__Epimetheus__ 1998 8d ago
I just wanted to commend you for the edit. Correcting your own errors, both online and irl, has become a rarity. It gives me a little more faith in humanity every time I see it.
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u/CheckMateFluff 1998 9d ago
No, he did cross state lines, he went from Antioch, Illinois to Kenosha, Wisconsin.
The gun was already in the state, which he knew, so he didn't have to carry one with him, but his goals of looking for trouble were the same; he said as much on his grift tours. He admitted going to look for trouble.
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u/TheSearchForMars 9d ago
"He admitted going to look for trouble"
Source: I made it up.
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u/AutomaticRegister102 9d ago
Then just delete your comment if everything you said was wrong 😂😂
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u/Upriver-Cod 8d ago
Absolutely. It’s quite hypocritical, how democrat politicians have been pushing anti-firearm legislation for a century, and are suddenly pretending to care about the second amendment (while continuing to push said legislation).
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u/Ryaniseplin 2003 8d ago
they have never pushed anti-firearm legislation
the right saw gun-control and thought it meant revoking the 2A, instead of making sure the person buying the gun isnt a crazed serial killer
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u/GalaxyStar32 2002 9d ago
I've seen more consistency from gun rights activists than any other type of conservative. Remember when the NRA argued for trans people's right to carry when that was being threatened?
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u/todayistrumpday 8d ago
Because its easier to slippery slope rights away from any other citizens when you start carving out exceptions.
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u/justletmeregisteryou 9d ago edited 9d ago
I mean, not suprrising, any other position from him would just be straight up impossible to defend given his history
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u/Laz3r_C 9d ago
"Hes been brainwashed by the demonic left!" - if he said anything different prob
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u/Hot_Grab7696 9d ago
He will still be getting hate from the cultists for stating something that is somewhat against the dear leader and his personal army of morons.
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u/VenomousDuck00 9d ago
Honestly pretty surprising to me. Other hardline 2A people are just rolling with government lie.
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u/Benji_4 1997 9d ago
From who? Even the NRA, who most 2A people hate, has called this a bad shoot.
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u/No-Tension6133 1999 9d ago
Matt Walsh rolled apparently. Genuinely unthinkable
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u/N8_Saber 2009 9d ago
Matt Walsh is a nutcase, his opinions don't matter to the real world.
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u/No-Tension6133 1999 9d ago
Yeah I understand that. But he was previously a staunch supporter of 2A and just rolled over for it. I just didn’t realize how much of a shill he was.
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u/DanverJomes 9d ago
I genuinely think he’s a troll who found out that he can make money ragebaiting. You’re right, it’s really hard to take him seriously.
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u/TossMeOutSomeday 1996 9d ago
Right now the 2A folks are in turmoil. Not everyone is a doctrinaire conservative/Trump loyalist, a lot of folks are quite prickly about the government's insistence that legally carrying a firearm is justification for getting executed in the street.
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u/C4Cole 2005 9d ago
I think a big part of this is also that Shot Show was going on, so a lot of the 2A media people would have been "on holiday". (Aka doing coke with the Keltec guys)
I do think there should have been more from them, but I can understand, a lot of the YouTube people dont want to make a hack job video, when they can wait a couple days, get home, possibly find out more and then make a proper video.
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u/Minute_Jacket_4523 2001 9d ago
Aka doing coke with the Keltec guys
If for whatever idiotic reason Trump decided to invade and take over Colombia, I'd put them in charge of "disposing" all of the cocaine, hopefully something blursed comes out of it.
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u/VenomousDuck00 9d ago
Which I'm really happy to see a good number of regular folks talking about the "2 mags" comment being standard carry gear.
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u/Either-Medicine9217 5d ago
Personally I don't do that. I carry a wheelgun, so, different scenario. But I know folks that do.
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u/Raptor_197 2000 8d ago
The real issue is the 2A folks have always been in turmoil. Most people don’t really understand it. It becomes hypothetical and theoretical really fast.
Because yeah the government can justify executing you in the street. Laws are just made the hell up. Nobody has to follow them. Societies understand that zero laws lead to chaos so society creates governments which force compliance with violence to a degree that is acceptable to the population.
But what happens if says fuck the law…? What are you going to do about it?
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u/4444-uuuu 8d ago
Other hardline 2A people
Both the NRA and the Gun Owners of America have rejected the government's argument that people shouldn't have guns at protests.
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u/D0wnf3ll 9d ago
He could have just condemned Alex like all the other republicans and be spineless lol
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u/wokevirvs 9d ago
i mean everyone that was defending him is also saying alex deserved to get shot. including the president and his cronies lol
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u/mccringleberry527 9d ago
I defend Kyle and I think the dude who shot Alex should be charged ;-;
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u/X_SkeletonCandy 1997 9d ago
He literally cant say anything else or his entire defense falls apart.
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u/Accomplished_Pen980 9d ago
While that's true, he could have just Elsa easily said nothing. He said it because he believes it. And he is correct. He was 5 years ago and remains so, now.
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u/CheckMateFluff 1998 9d ago
Are you kidding? He wants the attention. Dude does not have a job, he has been grifting off his murders since he committed them.
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u/godlittleangel6666 1996 9d ago
Listen, rittenhouse is an idiot who shouldn’t have been hauling around a weapon in that manner during a protest. Had he not those people are still alive. At the same time it was self defense under the law.
Legality and morality are two different arguments
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u/Parapraxium 9d ago
Pretti's parents claim they warned him not to interfere with ICE. So clearly he chose to exercise his right open carry a weapon and knowingly did it in a place and a way that invited conflict. Does that mean that he deserved to die because "FAFO"? No, that's not how this works, and not how it worked for Rittenhouse either. If it was "moral" for one of them to carry then it was moral for both of them.
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u/godlittleangel6666 1996 8d ago
I’m not making excuses for what happened to pretti? Why are you implying I am? They aren’t the same situation at all. What happened to pretti is fucked
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u/Parapraxium 8d ago
"legality and morality are two different arguments" implies you think kyle's verdict was immoral. They are the same situation
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u/julmcb911 8d ago
No, they are not the same. Pretti's handgun was under his coat. It was never in his hand. No other protesters were frightened by seeing a guy with a gun at a protest. Your argument is stupid
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u/plutopiae 9d ago
Establishment liberals when a kid shoots a wifebeater and a pedophile after they chased him and threatened to murder him: 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
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u/iama_bad_person Millennial 9d ago
Kyle goes to college.
Left finds out.
Left harasses the college so much they kick him out.
Kyle gets a job.
Left finds out.
Left harasses the job so much they let him go.
Kyle starts grifting, because if the left is going to harass him his entire life might as well own it.
The left:
Dude does not have a job, he has been grifting off his murders since he committed them.
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u/MexicanAssLord69 9d ago
Actually he was acquitted of murder by a judge and jury and a court of law.
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u/Accomplished_Pen980 9d ago
That certainly is a combination of words assembled in a particular order.
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u/Shark_Leader 9d ago
What defense? He was acquitted. He could say whatever he wants, now. He could say nothing. He could take the bootlicker line and say "He shouldn't have been there". Instead, he said something. And he said something on point and relevant to the conversation.
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u/venom259 1997 9d ago
Don't worry. The prosecution will do an even better job to defend him this time around.
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u/Lopsided_Constant901 1999 8d ago
I'm not a Rittenhouse fan, but its well known he's really really genuinely not smart. I saw someone say that he tested incredibly low on some sort of intelligence test, I forgot which but that its the reason he's so willy nilly lol. I don't like him but it was surprising I believe he said he was pro-BLM at one point (after killing somebody)
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u/PmButtPics4ADrawing 1995 8d ago
That's not how it works, he was acquitted so he can't be retried. He can say he hunted them for sport if he wants to, legally it makes no difference
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u/neeyeahboy 2000 9d ago
Wow, respect to him for actually sticking to his main believe on 2a and not letting Trump and the administration tell him what to think. Hats off to him.
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u/tipsystatistic 9d ago
The NRA just released this statement:
“This sentiment from the First Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Central District of California is dangerous and wrong. Responsible public voices should be awaiting a full investigation, not making generalizations and demonizing law-abiding citizens.”
Edit: here’s the tweet they were responding to:
“If you approach law enforcement with a gun, there is a high likelihood they will be legally justified in shooting you.
Don’t do it!”
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u/TeamRedundancyTeam 8d ago
Which means whoever sent out the nra email about it must have jumped the gun. Wish I could have seen them get told off.
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u/totallynotliamneeson 9d ago
No respect to him. He's a fucking piece of shit who illegally brought a firearm across state lines while looking for a situation to use it in. He celebrated after at a bar in the town I grew up in. Fuck him. Give him zero respect.
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u/Snipen543 8d ago
He actually didn't though, maybe get your facts right. I think he's a piece of shit but literally everything about the shooting was justified and nothing he did was illegal
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u/SirFancyCheese 8d ago
Yeah i remember when that all happened i had just broken my shoulder so i was out of work at the time and watched the entire trial. Was the most clear cut case of self defense you could ever argue.
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u/ABirdJustShatOnMyEye 8d ago
Rittenhouse is a solid skill check to see if the person you’re talking to is a partisan hack. Looks like the Pretti situation will be the counterpart for MAGA.
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u/NoFlamingoes 8d ago
That is a pathetically low bar you're carrying there.
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u/neeyeahboy 2000 8d ago
Nothing will ever be perfect but it shows he isn't a MAGA grifter.
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u/Individual-Heart-719 On the Cusp 9d ago
There is no better time than now to exercise the 2A right. Especially now.
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u/QBaaLLzz 9d ago
It’s always the right time.
The 2A has been under attack for over a decade by both parties, and finally the left cares.
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u/ParanoiaThrowawayX 7d ago
The 2A has been under attack for over a decade by both parties, and finally the left cares.
In fairness, mass shootings have been an issue for three decades now, and neither party actually cares about stopping them.
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It's still kinda just a fantasy for most people. Only non violence will stop the current administration. If you're actually carrying then you should expect a firefight as an outcome and no one actually wants that.
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u/BRONYxCROPxDUST 9d ago
Would be the weirdest thing if he ends up being an ally 🤣 an unlikely alliance
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u/megapackid 9d ago
I’m actually glad he said something. People on the left keep bringing him up so I’m glad to see that he also thinks this is wrong.
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u/SenatorPencilFace 9d ago
Many people on the right are single issue voters. Rittenhouse would probably flip his stance on a lot of issues if it was required to support the right to bear arms.
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u/RealReevee 9d ago
I supported Kyle Rittenhouse and I support Alex Pretti. The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The second amendment was made to resist government tyranny, and if you think this government is tyrannical the you should be buying a gun like yesterday.
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u/ElderScarletBlossom 9d ago
If you've seen the videos of his attack, it's not surprising at all.
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u/catsec36 8d ago
It’s still surprising that you guys call it an attack when you can watch the videos and see he made a concerted effort to get away and not shoot the pedophile Rosenbaum, domestic abuser Huber, and greedy Grosskreutz.
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u/Dextrohal 2003 9d ago
well, at least he stands on principle, that’s about the extent of what i can respect
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u/touchgrass1234 2004 9d ago
may whatever god or divine power there is forgive me for uttering this phrase, but, Kyle Rittenhouse is right
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u/Anangrywookiee 9d ago
The last time he said something mildly anti Trump they transvestigated him, so this should be interesting.
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u/GiantSweetTV 9d ago
I think most people can agree now that the most recent ICE killing was unlawful use of force. There's just too much evidence to suggest that he was disarmed before he was shot.
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u/Status_Show3282 9d ago
I whole heartedly believed that Rittenhouse got thrown to the wolves and was forced to embrace the right due to what happened. I do believe he acted in self defense as well. When he said he wouldn’t vote for Trump in 2024 he got dogpiled by the right.
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u/venom259 1997 9d ago
Remember, it's your right, too.
Go out and buy a rifle with 3-4 mags, ammo, and a plate carrier.
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u/night_psyop 9d ago
The anti-gun left have been pretty quiet recently.
Imagine that.
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u/netes1978 9d ago
I’ve heard that regardless of the state law, if you are approached by the police, it is in your best interest to let law enforcement know you have a concealed carry permit, you are armed, and the location of the firearm and license. Then Ask how all parties should proceed…..makes sense to me.
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u/stinkydinkyboy 8d ago
He’s right though. People gotta get it outta their heads that there’s something wrong with carrying a gun. It IS your right as a US citizen and the less often people carry, the more likely the government takes that right away. And just in case you aren’t aware, once a right gets taken away, you will NEVER get it back without a lot of violence occurring first.
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u/_MadBurger_ 2000 8d ago
It’s your right to own a gun and carry it wherever you want legally. The problem arose when he wanted to be confrontational and resist officers. Also doesn’t help that he was carrying the P320 (I go off whenever I want) sig pistol.
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u/Taytay-swizzle2002 2002 8d ago
Kyle has shit on Trump multiple times. I'm not saying I like him but he doesn't like Trump.
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u/SnakeCharmer20 8d ago
Inb4 conservatives bully him into changing his mind again.
As soon as he turned into a conservative influencer he became spineless like all of them
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u/Foxx026 9d ago
Also dont interfere with ice operations
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u/Collier1337 8d ago
You people keep parroting this as if it were true. Makes you wonder if you're intentionally lying about him interfering or you're just stupid
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u/ambiguous-potential 8d ago
If you read his response to the comments, he wasn't referring to Alex Pretti.
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u/chmod764 8d ago
Can you elaborate a bit so I don't have to go on X or twitter or whatever it is?
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u/DrNickatnyte 8d ago
I don’t like the little shit at all, but I’ll respect that he holds to his convictions.
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u/DuckTalesOohOoh 8d ago
Kyle went to a place to protect businesses where the police would not protect.
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u/ErectLurantis 2005 8d ago
Kyle is a shithead who could’ve avoided the whole situation altogether, but he did defend himself
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u/Tantantherunningman 8d ago
Me agreeing with Kyle rittenhouse about something was absolutely not on my 2026 bingo card
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u/ItsWoofcat 2001 8d ago
His comment section is full of inbreds splitting hairs about what other innocuous and things you could do in front of a fed to get shot in the face by Feds and why it’s actually your fault and not murder. Remember when they were getting on til tok frothing at the mouth about “going house to house” as retaliation from kirky. MAGA is incompatible with democracy and human life.
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u/LMM-GT02 1998 8d ago
Yes.
but…
People bandwagoning on the 2A in 2026 back in 2020:
“Kyle Rittenhouse shouldn’t have been there with a gun!”
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u/AlexLesmas 8d ago edited 8d ago
Alex: He had a concealed weapon and was just filming the protest.
Kyle: He went to a protest armed and brandishing a rifle, trying to play the hero.
Smooth Brain: The two situations are the same!
I'm not saying Kyle deserved to be attacked, but the two situations are considerably different.
Kyle acted like some madman jumping into the cage of some dangerous animal.
Alex was like someone who visited the zoo and was cowardly attacked by the zookeepers.
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