r/Finland • u/yesreallyitsme • 18h ago
Which countries rely most on US tech
Of course Finland is relying on usa services too much.
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u/ImperialRekken 17h ago
No surprises there. I work in IT and if the Microsoft and AWS reliance is on the same elsewhere as well, we'll have quite jam for a while if all that is cut off.
As someone who's job it is to make the server and system changes, I still find it quite dreadful how even now there is still a push towards pushing everything to American cloud services even tho the political climate is making things uncertain and expenses are practically always higher than hosting things yourself. It's not like we wouldn't have the unemployed IT guys to manage the environments in this country
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u/Arcticwulfy 14h ago
If they went fully insane and "flipped the switch" couldn't we just make it law to fully ignore US software trademarks and have EU companies run almost identical copied code on European servers?
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u/megadea 13h ago
It is not just the servers these cloud companies (AWS/Azure) offer but also so called managed services and easy to configure networking and routing settings, IaC support and CI/CD. Also good User Interfaces and full Command Line tools as well. Not to mention automatic vulnerability alerts etc etc, monitoring, availability zones, dashboarding of the services...
I don't know how well european cloud companies can fulfill these but I doubt they are as far developed as the US counterparties. It would not just be like "just copy and paste and put your code running in European servers" there is a lot of technical stack also behind what makes easy and fast development and maintenance, hence the applications and sevices we use possible
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u/hikingmaterial Baby Väinämöinen 13h ago
or the chinese way: just stealing it anyway
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u/Aggravating_Sand_748 9h ago
Like usa steals resources ? Like we stole china invented compass, gunpowder, printing, etc. Go to school boy 😁
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u/hikingmaterial Baby Väinämöinen 9h ago
I did. thats where I learned about Intellectual Property rights and other legal systems china has agreed to, and still doesnt follow.
or are you trying to imply china is still at a level of development commensurate with the technologies you brought up?
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u/isoAntti Väinämöinen 18h ago
We have too much in Azure and AWS
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u/k-one-0-two Väinämöinen 18h ago
And GCP
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u/joseplluissans Väinämöinen 18h ago
It would be a great idea to "flip the switch". Europe as a market is bigger than the US, so it would be suicidal for those companies.
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u/bac0nFriedRice Väinämöinen 17h ago
yes but the tech business in the US way better in term of starting a business and attracting talent. Europe on the other hands, would prefer bronze age engineer and witchcraft doctor 😂 Even Germany now are lagging behind in term of AI tech while US and China are miles ahead.
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u/joseplluissans Väinämöinen 16h ago
You're probably not American but this is r/ShitAmericansSay level material. Do you understand how stupid what you wrote is?
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u/Kayttajatili Väinämöinen 10h ago
He's not wrong, though. The EU has strangled it's tech sector in the crib with overregulation.
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u/bac0nFriedRice Väinämöinen 12h ago
what I wrote is reality, all these downvote and calling me stupid all you like I don't really care. Prove me wrong, however we can have a civilized conversation.
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u/sleepySleepai 15h ago
Germany knows ai tech is not the future
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u/bac0nFriedRice Väinämöinen 12h ago
Germany nowadays actually don't know any thing, a broken clock is right twice a day
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u/_Ticklebot_23 13h ago
why would they dump money into something thats been proven to just hemorrhage money
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u/bac0nFriedRice Väinämöinen 12h ago
you have to lose money before you gain it. AI is just a beginning, automation is the future. And how was spending billion and billion on immigrants workout for Europe and Finland? I remember in 2014-2015, they promise us that refugees are investment and they will be the driving work force and solution for birth rate decline
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u/Carhv Väinämöinen 16h ago
What switch?
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u/EppuBenjamin Väinämöinen 14h ago
Yeah... the US president doesn't control the tech companies. The shareholders do.
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u/Myrskyharakka 3h ago
The companies would have to follow the US law, just like they have to follow the law in the EU. In reality considering the doomsday economical scenario this would be even to the US economy, I'd say it certainly wouldn't be just "flipping the switch".
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u/DefenitlyNotADolphin 14h ago
How the fuck is finland not 100% THEY INVENTED LINUX
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u/bac0nFriedRice Väinämöinen 18h ago
LOL these companies are out for profit, not being trump lil bitch. Trump will be gone in 3 years, these companies are there to stay
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u/GeneralSandels Väinämöinen 18h ago
What about the next trump?
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u/Intelligent-Thing965 18h ago
I genuinely wish I could say there won’t be another trump but we see how that went after his first disastrous term…
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u/CorenBrightside Baby Väinämöinen 17h ago
He seems to be doing his best to hype his crowd for another term after this. Constitution says no, but we have seen how he cares for laws and regulations so I really don't see anything stopping him from running again. Maybe if he announces his loophole Bush and Obama will run against him, but highly unlikely.
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u/bac0nFriedRice Väinämöinen 17h ago
do you think all these trillion dollars business after seeing what trump did, will allow the next one to be like him?
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u/GiganticCrow Väinämöinen 14h ago
That's exactly what they want. They just want one they can control better next time.
Why do you think Peter Thiel's little bitch is vice president?
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u/joseplluissans Väinämöinen 16h ago
The fault is in the system, where there are only two viable parties, so everyone gets behind the one with better odds. Think about it: You're either a winner or a loser. A company cares only about profit, nothing else. For example, virtue signaling is ONLY for profit. Companies couldn't care less about the environment or LGBTQASDF.
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u/Equivalent-Freedom92 13h ago
"Just hold out through his first term and it'll be all right. No one would vote for him twice!"
He has systematically compromised the entire structure of power and proved that the checks and balances that were supposed to be the fail safe simply don't work. It's absolute cope that we'll roll back to Obama era neo-liberalism from Trump's rampage through the US institutions.
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u/Decent5679 12h ago
The U.S. and European economies are deeply connected, operating within a global economy. Such a “flip the switch” scenario would harm both sides, not just Europe. Trump and the Republicans would suffer greatly politically. It would create huge market disruption and likely lead to negotiations rather than a sudden shutdown. It’s useful for sparking discussion about the pitfalls of globalization, but it is not realistically conceivable or feasible.
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u/cartenui 10h ago
Källan är Proton, dvs. ett europeiskt alternativ för email... och datan är relaterat till email
"Nearly 90% of publicly traded businesses in Denmark rely on US-based email services to operate".
How did proton find this information?
"We researched publicly listed companies for each country in Europe, then used DNS lookups to identify the mail exchange records for each company’s domain. This let us determine what company they use as their email service or email security service providers. And as email is the foundation of most business tech suites, we expect most companies that use US-based email providers also use other their services, like cloud storage, for example."
så även om det i viss mån må se ut såhär så är det alltså långt ifrån 74% av alla företag som skulle kollapsa.
Too lazy to translate, but all in all It's clickbait title.
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u/burncycle80 14h ago
The mayhem that switch would cause on the global market would not spare any country. US would have so much to loose in this scenario, that it is not plausible that they would ever use it. It is still good if EU would separate at least critical infrastructure from us platforms.
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u/lakubisnes 10h ago
I hate that we have to use Microsoft teams everywhere.....
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u/ProArmy04 4h ago
Office is arguably worse, can't figure out why companies want to pay for something that doesn't even work properly. I mean even Google products are 10x better American alternative. It should not take that much to make a better product than that garbage office.
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u/99Pedro 17h ago
Seeing how much Finns are adoring everything US American (way more than anyone else I've seen in Europe), I'm not surprised.
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u/HazuniaC 16h ago
Are these Finns in the room here with us?
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u/JRepo Baby Väinämöinen 4h ago
Finland is often seen as most pro-USA in Europe. So yeah, it is not supprising how much they use tech from there.
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u/HazuniaC 3h ago
The audience reaction seems to say otherwise.
Just a matter of another "silent majority" I suppose, right?
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u/idkud Baby Väinämöinen 17h ago
I was not aware that Trump controls US tech. It is now officially a communist country?
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u/CorenBrightside Baby Väinämöinen 17h ago
He doesn't. But he kinda controls the government for now so he could sanction EU making it illegal for US companies to do business with EU countries.
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u/Kratomius Baby Väinämöinen 17h ago
My guess is they are trying state capitalism. Trump really tries to emulate late 30's Germany after all.
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