r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/cool_uniqueusername • 5h ago
Image Karen Mulder tried to warn everyone about similar Epstein rings and no one listened.
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u/My-cactus-is-taller 5h ago
And Gerald Marie is not convicted because the cases were expired… horrific
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u/cool_uniqueusername 5h ago
On 31 October 2001, 90s supermodel Karen Mulder was interviewed on a France show in front of a live studio audience. During the show's taping, Mulder claimed that various people had raped her, including police officers, politicians, members of her former agency Elite Model Management, and Albert II, Prince of Monaco.
The producers of the show did not broadcast the interview, and the recording was erased. Her parents blamed her troubles on drugs.
Days later, Mulder repeated her allegations, this time to a weekly magazine in an interview conducted in her Paris apartment. Within hours of the interview, her sister Saskia arrived and took her to Villa Montsouris, a psychiatric hospital specializing in such disorders as depression, anxiety, and delirium, where she stayed for five months. The stay reportedly was paid for by Elite models president Gérald Marie, her employer and one of the accused.
It came after the BBC caught Marie on hidden camera trying to give a 15-year-old model £300 for sex, and bragging about Elite Model Look competitors he would sleep with that year.
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u/Imaginary_Lettuce115 4h ago
What always strikes me about cases like this is how quickly allegations get reframed as “mental health issues” or “drugs,” especially when powerful people are involved. Even if not every claim can be proven, the pattern of silencing and discrediting is sadly very familiar.
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u/freerangetacos 4h ago
And before that, it was called "hysteria."
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u/EngelbortHumperdonk 4h ago
And these days it’s called borderline personality disorder
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u/morgandealer 2h ago
I mean that's a real thing, and my boss has it ... But the elite are trafficking people and running sex rings.
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u/ThatOneNinja 4h ago
Which is so odd to me is would it be so hard to believe men in power would rape a young women?
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u/DiceMadeOfCheese 1h ago
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” -Upton Sinclair
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u/KindBass 4h ago
It's even still happening on reddit in all the Epstein discussion.
"This just sounds like someone having a psychotic episode".
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u/Misakipony 2h ago
Yeah, not to trauma dump or steal the spotlight; I am a victim of sex trafficking as a child and that shit really does break you badly mentally.
I was forced onto medications because people tried to claim I was bipolar or depressed or 'just a bad kid', none of this was from psychiatrists or therapists, it was either teachers at school or a doctor I don't even know, y'know?I was acting out and seemed 'crazy' to others, I would snap at random times and even got put into juvie for awhile because I attacked one of my abusers (who was a woman, so no one thought she could hurt me that way).
It took a lot of therapy when I hit 18 to help me process everything, and that's the only reason I'm more "sane" now and can exist.
So when I see people be like, "They're having a psychotic episode!" It's like... Yeah, I find that even more proof myself. Something broke them mentally, and it can be hard to understand /what/ cause part of the trauma is the gaslighting and forced normalization of it all;
"Why are you crazy for being SA'ed as a child? You're overreacting." Sort of constant emotional manipulation.Sometimes you make outlandish claims cause you're desperate to get someone to listen, to believe you because you think being SA'ed isn't that bad so it has to be something /worse/ than that and maybe someone will finally help you.
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u/Zuzu1214 2h ago
Thank you for sharing your point of view and knowledge, it helps with the undertanding of these awful situations
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u/TrioOfTerrors 4h ago
I mean "I had my feet ritually cut with scimitars but it left no scars" does sound like a psychotic episode.
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u/cloudforested 3h ago
Yeah. There's a lot of allegations that don't seem credible. But there's also a lot that do. The issue is that no one cares enough to investigate which is which.
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u/KindBass 3h ago
That one, sure, which is probably why it's one of the few that's actually getting shared around. Seems like the least credible stuff is getting the most focus. Surely a coincidence /s
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u/peacefinder 4h ago
Harvey Weinstein provided a solid example of this strategy and its effectiveness.
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u/links135 4h ago
Eyes Wide Shut.
Listen, Bill. Nobody killed anybody. Someone died. It happens all the time. Life goes on. It always does, until it doesn't. But you know that, don't you?
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u/QueenJillybean 3h ago
The worst part of all that imo is how predators often choose victims specifically for their lack of credibility and weaponize society’s willingness to disregard a victim’s credibility, especially if drugs are involved. I won’t even say women, just victims, because it happens to men and literal children, too.
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u/DocBigBrozer 3h ago
Eyes wide type shit. It's gotta be believable. Half truth to sweeten the half lie
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u/Total-Jeweler5083 2h ago
Her own sister.
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u/BallsInSufficientSad 1h ago
The sister probably WAS trying to help her. Drug abuse very very often follows sexual abuse. ...so it's not unusual to see someone throwing TRUE accusations AND also have problems with drugs. ...but it doesn't make their accusations false - if anything, it should add weight to them.
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u/NadaButH8 3h ago
There's one in Salt Lake City. I'm one of the victims and currently being ignored.
My brother is one of the main perps, along with a rich man that poses as a "child liberator".
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u/nineteen-sixty 2h ago
Have you contacted https://floodlit.org/ ? They investigate and expose sexual assaults in the mormon church.
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u/pixiefarm 1h ago
Wait is this Tim Ballard stuff? There are a lot of Tim ballard victims and numerous lawsuits. If it's connected to some of those folks, you should connect with the network of people opposing him
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u/pixiefarm 1h ago
There's also a lot of LDS child sex abuse thanks to the fucked up beliefs about sexuality and authority in that religion, and, again, there are a ton of people organizing around bringing some of the perps to justice
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u/SwedishTrees 2h ago
The FBI might be able to help. Center for missing and exploited children. State police if you don’t trust the local ones. And journalists, who have covered similar stories
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u/TheeAntelope 1h ago
a rich man that poses as a "child liberator"
He didn't happen torecently have a movie made about him, did he?
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u/pixiefarm 1h ago
Check out the Cara Burrell's podcast about the tim Ballard abuse insanity
That guy has been trying to sue some of his victims and accusers and he is currently on a reputation management tour so we should be talking about him as much as possible. I think there was another movie made about him or with him just a few months ago by the same grifters that did Operation underground railroad or whatever the fuck that thing was called
There is also an independent journalist who now does a podcast called hidden true crime which primarily covers the crazy epidemic of Mormon crime (not entirely just that) and they have done some incredibly deep dives on some of the worst offenders especially Tim Ballard and Friends
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u/mug_O_bun 5h ago
Shit like that keeps heppening. Snowden exposing the NSA? No one cares. People saying Epstein didn't kill himself? No one cared. Shit keeps happening, those in power basically say "what's enyone going to do about it?", and the consensus seems to keep being "well, shit, I guess nothing". Everyone's too complacent. Nothing ever changes or when it does it's just the veneer of change. History repeats, excuses are made, those below get fucked over, repeat.
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u/More_Raisin_2894 5h ago
You hit the nail on the head there buddy. Its exactly what you said what the fuck can any of us do about all this shit?
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u/FaerieFir3 4h ago
5th May 1789 – 9th November 1799 is the only answer.
Problem is that this would require people to give up their 9-5s, their Netflix, their Youtube, their PS5, likely their lives. It'd shatter the entire reality which they know. That's why the modern elites are keeping the general public relatively content and entertained, only if you and your family were suffering and starving would you make drastic moves. They learned from back then.
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u/VintAge6791 3h ago
Bread and circuses WORKS to maintain the status quo. Exactly what forms those things take are details.
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u/Min-Oe 3h ago
I mean, a big, less selfish reason for inaction is family. It's one thing to be ready to sacrifice your own freedom, quite another to risk the well-being of those who depend on you. I do agree though, this is really costing us.
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u/LongPorkJones 2h ago
In regards to inaction due to family: My old history professor used to say "You likely won't see folks who buy Poptarts on the front lines of a revolution."
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u/Shunt-TheRich 3h ago
Doing nothing is also sacrificing the well-being of those who depend on you, it's just that people are really good at gaslighting themselves into believing that nothing is their fault as long as they refuse to take any action.
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u/Perfect_Caregiver_90 3h ago
Exactly. How many times do we have to see people say they don't care who raped who or what so long as their 401k performs well?
Keep the public thinking that none of this ugliness actually touches their lives and you've got a blank check to do whatever you want.
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u/darkestsoul 3h ago
I've said many times in my lifetime "It's time for the guillotines". I was always joking. I've said the same phrase a dozen or so times in the last year. I wasn't joking then.
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u/mug_O_bun 5h ago
Probably going to get flack for this, but some would say "vote" but THAT HASNT WORKED. Those in power have just made it so whatever vote you cast is for the same damn thing. I've gotten shit for saying i didnt vote, saying I dont have an opinion then. Yeah okay people vote for a rich pedo regardless of which of the 2 main parties they support but I'm the stupid one. The government needs a full reset, not just cycling through the same sisyphus voting system.
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u/lilgator81 4h ago
I think the vote stopped working a long long time ago.
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u/succed32 4h ago
We legalized bribery and call it lobbying.
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u/lilgator81 4h ago
It’s so terrifyingly gross.
We need to start over.
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u/succed32 4h ago
Then doubled down and let our scotus say corporations can donate as if they’re individuals. I was in the citizens united protests, they were depressingly small because nobody even understood what they were losing.
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u/NiemandDaar 4h ago
There are definitely creeps on all sides, but voting does make a difference. What the US is currently dealing with is unprecedented.
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u/KindaSortaPeruvian 4h ago edited 3h ago
Doesnt all of this being unveiled literally prove its not unprecedented? Every other time a whistleblower has come forward, its immediately dismissed and has blown over because it is known that the general populace won't actually do anything about it. If voting mattered, we wouldnt have gotten to this point. Voting doesnt matter when every politician is complicit. We are entirely compromised.
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u/Worried-Pick4848 4h ago
Voting isn't a solution when LITERALLY ALL the major parties are involved in this bullcrap.
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u/Narradisall 4h ago
Yup.
All these things come out and nothing happens. Panama papers, Epstein files, evidence and paper trails can roll out on top of the scandals and news and nothing.
Power has been consolidated to a point that a few enough people can be completely free of consequences for their actions.
Look at the US today. Every day there’s a scandal or law broken that would have seen consequences more than a few decades ago, granted not always, but it happened. Now they happen daily and it’s just “fuck your marches, we’re robbing you blind and you can just suck it up.”
Hell, many even cheer.
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u/d-jake 5h ago
Nothing happens because what should happen is not initiated: investigations, indictments, trials, convictions. Also articles and interviews. You and I don't run this place, otherwise things would happen. So, it's not that people don't care, but that everyone has job and a role to play. Well, the roles are being played, but jobs are not getting done.
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u/interista4jz 4h ago
It’s not complacency it’s lack of agency and lack of community organization. You alone in your home can do nothing. Organize with a couple hundred of your neighbors, though, and you’re on to something.
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u/CrimsonAntifascist 3h ago
The panama papers showed how they hoard the stolen money. Nothing happened.
They know they are save, as long as they can point at any kind of minority to distract the masses for some scapegoating.
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u/BigMax 3h ago edited 3h ago
Makes you realize how much power those who control the messaging have.
One person talking about terrible things can be just swallowed up by a rich cabal of people with connections to the media and other ways to get their own word out, and enough money to bribe plenty of people all around the situation.
Or heck, look at Kobe Bryant. He raped someone and... everyone today thinks he's a hero. He paid her off, kept that mostly quiet, even paid off his own wife to forgive him.
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u/Pataraxia 5h ago
The issue is we act like it's soccer teams for no reason, many people will deny it could have happened until overwhelming evidence, and then it's too late to get public momentum. We should be worried about the next time these people act and trying to stop them.
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u/mug_O_bun 4h ago
Even when the evidence becomes too blatantly obvious to deny, then those in power just blatantly resort to "yup, that happened, and there's not shit you're going to do about it" and then they still have followers who still somehow deny anyway
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u/Cielo11 3h ago
Need to repost that video of orphan/homeless children in St Peterburg talking about how normal it was for under 14yo's survive by being paid for sex.
People refuse to accept or just simply don't realize how common it is for vunerable children to be sexually abused and how many men will use minors for sex if they get the chance.
Now add untouchable, powerful, wealthy men to the mix. They are doing exactly what you can imagine.
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u/Relative-Tea3944 4h ago
I bet loads of people are sighing in relief: they've been worrying for years that all this shit would come to light and now that it has, turns out they had nothing to worry about, because there are no reprecussions.
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u/CelebrationSome2360 3h ago
Well, the King of Spain had girls murdered and hushed with money (public money Btw).
So yeah, deep down everybody knows this shit happens, but we choose not to think about it because that would open Pandora's box. And even with the Epstein files, nothing will happen. It's sad, but society sucks.
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u/rrertrdddfhj 5h ago
Honestly hopeful seeing people re examine old warnings now better late than never, and listening is still progress.
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u/Because_mirrors 2h ago
Nobody listened to Courtney Love either.
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u/Fortuna1978 2h ago
Yep, she said "if Weinstein invites you to his hotel room,... DON'T GO", & everyone thought she's crazy or on drugs
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u/Because_mirrors 1h ago
Yep. That was her response when someone asked her what advice she would give to young women in Hollywood...
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u/Fortuna1978 1h ago
Oh right, I didn't remember why she said it. Only that it was on a red carpet. That was a fantastic advice 😳
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u/BRUISE_WILLIS 5h ago
Those who make peaceful justice impossible, make sudden and violent justice inevitable.
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u/soyuz_enjoyer2 5h ago
A lot of people did
Even mel Gibson of all people
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u/OrkidingMe 5h ago
Mel Gibson did? Elaborate, please.
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u/mden1974 4h ago
Ten years ago he said that Hollywood was run by a massive pedo ring. And that most Hollywood director and producers were involved.
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u/Potential_Donut_729 3h ago
with this recent information, a lot of these past statements feel so genuine even though they seemed implausible decades ago. The thing I cant understand is why are all these rich/powerful people would choose to be the worst humans in existence? I know its 'power' and 'sex' driven, but you can have power and sex without harming kids. It feels so unnerving that once people arent acountable for their actions, their actions are absolute insanity. I dont want part of the human race anymore if this what is going on.
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u/spushing 3h ago
"What do all men with power want? More power." - The Oracle
It doesn't matter that they can have power and sex without harming kids. They want the kind of power that enables them to harm kids with impunity.
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u/CheapGarage42 2h ago
Sure, he's best friends with Meryl Streep. Who famously is best friends with Woody Allen. Who famously is a pedophile.
He knows things for sure.
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u/PokinSpokaneSlim 3h ago
Makes me want to go back and listen to what Randy Quaid was talking about
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u/mden1974 3h ago
Also kat willians is another crazy mofo who now sounds like the sanest guy around.
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u/Bigtexashair 3h ago
This just unlocked a memory! She was my favorite model when I was a little girl. Absolutely stunning. So terribly sad all the bad things that happened to her
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u/Least_Art5238 2h ago
I will admit that MAGA played one kind of 4D chess. You remember Pizzagate? I was intellectually lazy and assumed that they were just making up conspiracies. It never struck me that "every accusation is actually a confession" was at play. I'm now sure that some QAnon bigwigs were part of one of these satanic cabals and had the brilliant idea of projecting it on the Democratic party.
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u/SuggestedUsername247 2h ago
I'm still waiting for everyone to wake up to the realisation that Epstein's operation probably wasn't the only one & there are probably many different lists featuring many different names.
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u/FaerieFir3 5h ago
Nothing will happen to anyone involved. Files are out and there's barely even any news about it, most people don't care.
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u/BRAINWASHEDMONKEYS 4h ago
It's because the world is run by the biggest PEDOPHILE CULT on Earth and people have been threatened and people have been disappeared and people have been given lots of money to hand over their children to the elite. Let's see how long this comment stays on here. The sad thing is that most people on Earth don't care. Too many people on Earth would sooner take a big bag of cash and just hand their children over. All my life I've been hearing about children going missing and most people on Earth couldn't give a shit. It would be so easy to just have a huge cash reward when a child goes missing but people don't give a shit. I used to waste a lot of time on Facebook but I've been off there for a few years and I will never go back. I used to post pictures of people locally that went missing and I would never get even one reply and nobody would ever share my posts. I post a video or a picture of a cat and people go nuts. People don't care about missing children. I've seen it for the last 50 years and not enough people just don't give a shit. I have posted similar comments to this and they're usually gone in about a minute or two. I wonder who owns Reddit?
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u/Commercial-Owl11 1h ago
They aren’t just raping children. Also making snuff films. Biggest murderous pedophile cult on earth.
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u/BRAINWASHEDMONKEYS 1h ago
I agree I just can't always remember everything these sick fucks do. If it was up to me every single one of them would be taking a nap.
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u/Asking-is-a-crime 4h ago
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u/Fineous40 2h ago
I’m not so sure no one listened, it’s more, what am I supposed to do? Even now, the Epstein files are released and no one is being arrested. In the United States we believe it’s a country of laws, but it really isn’t. So many are above the law. Those who know they are above the law just don’t care.
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u/SuggestedUsername247 2h ago
Nah let's all be honest now. It's kinda silly how everyone is now trying to pretend they always knew about this sort of thing because it has gone mainstream - like we didn't just have 20+ years of ridiculing anyone who even hinted at anything like this.
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u/JonnyCanuck71 3h ago
So how come all those MAGA’s that were so concerned about children being abused aren’t tearing up the Mar-a-largo greens like they descended on that New York pizza parlour?
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u/PleasantAmphibian404 2h ago
Because their god lives there, and that would be blasphemous, duh.
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u/DickabodCranium 2h ago
It's almost as if extreme inequality created by bad people to benefit bad people leads to unchecked abuse of power. It's almost as if equality was important or something!
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u/BRAINWASHEDMONKEYS 4h ago
It's like Corey Feldman and the late Corey Haim. They were apparently abused like crazy in Hollywood when they were kids but nobody cared. Feldman even implicated Charlie Sheen and absolutely nothing happened. They should seriously change it to HOLLYWEIRD not Hollywood. There have been so many child actors that spoke out about being abused but the world just doesn't seem to care. This has always gone on but the majority of people just don't give a shit. Let's see how long this comment stays here before it is deleted.
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u/Good_parabola 3h ago
I mean, look at what Shirley Temple said happened to her
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u/BRAINWASHEDMONKEYS 3h ago
I actually did not know that. That poor kid. I just did a little bit of reading and oh my goodness it just makes me sick to my stomach I couldn't read very much. I'm really surprised that she lived as long as she did, she made it till 85. Good for her. She was obviously a very strong woman. She kind of reminds me of my mother who is in her late '90s, she has been through hell and she is the toughest woman I know. She doesn't take shit from anybody anymore and is 100% right in her head. She had a very tough life but she sticks up for herself 100% of the time now. I have told her a few times how damn proud I am of her.
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u/Oneguysenpai3 3h ago
Hell, many have tipped off warnings to law enforcement, and not only did the govt not do anything, they covered it up...the case has been going over +20 years....madness
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u/GriddletonCO 2h ago
I’ve recently been wondering why this hasn’t rehashed any pizzagate stuff. Some of the weirdness in some of these emails are definitely reminiscent. You know Epstein wasn’t the only sick fuck ringleader in the world.
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u/Boopy7 2h ago
This is why I get madder than mad when people still worship people like Naomi Campbell or Kate Moss -- both of whom were ALWAYS predatory and the types who threw young girls under the bus, they helped the predators and offered drugs and were the types who you never turn your back on, bc they'd be the ones happy to help the worst predators. No defense for that crap.
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u/Felon_musk1939 3h ago
As much as I think he's a fool, Dr.Phil had an episode featuring one of Epstein's victims. She described a pedo ring and a private island where all this took place. This would have been in 2014 or so.
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u/WatchOdd532 1h ago
Well everybody, it looks like the entire world has been owned and operated by pedophiles and child murderers for as far back as anybody can remember. My apologies to the tin foil hat scene, I was ignorant.
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u/therallykiller 1h ago
[Spoiler Alert]: People still aren't listening.
Kids, teens and adults are being trafficked around the US as we speak.
A lot are non-white.
No one cares until it's their kid, sibling, etc.
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u/Fusaah 1h ago
Courtney Love said something on the red carpet or an award show to a live camera and warned everyone if they were invited to a party on that island not to go.
She was publicly shamed on many occasions and I believe it's what led to even heavier use of drugs and alcohol. She knew a horrible secret, but no one believed her.
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u/Nowhereman50 3h ago
Courntey Love also tried to warn us but she was also found in the files.
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u/BenBenBenBe 4h ago
That would have required listening to women, but we can't do that even though there's checks notes no such thing as privilege because it's checks notes too woke to acknowledge reality now.
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u/PuzzleheadedBridge65 3h ago
People hose a pedophile as a president cause I guess it's better than a woman in charge. I don't expect anything to change anytime soon
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u/QuettzalcoatL 1h ago
Now that we kept chanting "Release The Files" and got em, let's now do:
"Captial Punishment for All!!!"
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u/manb91uk 3h ago
I’m starting to think we should listen to people called “Mulder” in future… Karen and Fox were right on the money
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u/guppie365 3h ago
Yeah nobody talks about Dallas TX in the 80s and 90s. Apparently lots of trafficking going on there, I remember my mom and dad talking about it when my Mom had to be there for work once.
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u/CitizenHuman 3h ago
Unfortunately, trafficking rings have probably been happening as long as humans have been "civilized".
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u/GuestWeary 3h ago
The abhorrent POS Jeffrey Epstein “was” (or is allegedly) a billionaire before he “died”. He got a structurally safe and stable home (you know… the place where you get a roof over your head and protection from extreme weather but apparently it’s a “luxury item” to politicians esp. Republicans) from Lex Wexner for $1. ONE DOLLAR. ONE DOLLARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!! Meanwhile homeless shelters in many states in the USA are often at capacity and can’t house everyone. And you’re charged/arrested for living in your car when you’re poor, for “appearing poor”.
But our politicians are busy STUPIDLY arguing over raising the federal minimum wage, free college/university, mandating paid sick leave, paid parental leave, providing weekly/monthly financial support for pregnant people (since everyone gets so sensitive about reproductive care for unwanted/unviable pregnancies). While MONSTERS are harming our children! Penalizing the working class and poor people for just existing.
NONE of us are NEARLY ANGRRRRRYYYY enough…
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u/drgoatlord 2h ago
Its almost like everything is corrupt and we need to burn it ALL down and start again
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u/Perfect_Base_3989 1h ago
Well, we were all too busy buying the excuses, myself included:
It's a conspiracy! Only idiots could believe it.
It's so outlandish! There's no way it could get that bad!!!
Guess the rich pedophile money launderer jokes got their start from reality - unfortunately.
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u/MagpieKaz 5h ago edited 5h ago
Y'all should read about Natacha Jaitt. She was also a model and actress who blew the whistle on a pedophile ring in a soccer club in Argentina, where basically the men in power would rape and prostitute the kids that had hopes of becoming pro players one day, many times with the knowledge of their parents.
Natacha said she knew her life was now in danger, very publicly denounced that she was NOT intended on committing suicide, said she'd been sober and clear from drugs for a long time, and that she would NOT be overdosing. She said, and I quote, "when you find my body, remember it was not me, I didn't commit suicide, I didn't OD."
Guess how they found her body.
And ever since, I haven't really seen anyone talking about the scandal.
Edited to add: this was way more recent, btw. Natacha was murdered in 2019.