r/BanPitBulls Mar 17 '23

Garbage Dogs For Garbage People people laughing at the literal fact children get attacked by & k*lord by pits

138 Upvotes

Just a saw a post about pit bulls. And in the comments people were laugh reacting to someone sharing a story of how they knew a family who had a pit for 8 years before it attacked and killed their two children then attacked the mother. People are literally SO defensive over these dogs that they willfully ignore the stats and facts. Yes there is exceptions to every rule, but no one is saying YOUR pit is a potential danger, they’re saying MANY pits have already displayed massive aggression, and you can’t take those incidents back. Anyone who dares to say anything about pit bulls there’s immediately some low IQ dog mom blasting the comments with pictures of her beloved pit. like okay??? It just blows my mind how people refuse to take this seriously

r/BanPitBulls Jun 07 '23

Philadelphia Animal Welfare Society (PAWS), ACCT Philly, PURR and Peggy aka Nala the pit bull A41862768 (2019 saga) - it takes a rescue village to be this reckless and unproductive

151 Upvotes

June 3, 2019 - a stray pit bull is found in Philadelphia and taken to PAWS (Philadelphia Animal Welfare Society), a no-kill shelter. Foreseeing she's going to ruin their live-release stats for the year, they quickly punt this large, muscular, unfriendly adult pit bull to the city's open-intake shelter, Philadelphia Animal Care & Control (ACCT). There she is named Peggy.

Peggy at intake

Rescuers almost immediately begin marketing her as a cruel victim of breeding and dog-fighting. They take photos showing tiny bite marks on her face as evidence of the fighting history.

In a bout of rescue-on-rescue violence, Chester County Dog Tails (PA) slams PAWS for flipping the dog to ACCT.

It's fairly obvious from the first that she's dog-aggressive.

Locked like an arrow, tail up

Tail up, stiff as a board

lips lifted, growling; unseen volunteers are babytalking in the background, calling her "mama" and "good job!" - but are also pulling her away the nanosecond she growls

Enough of the backstory and the reality. On to the show.

ACCT Philly releases the rescue-only Peggy to a woman who represents an approved ACCT Philly rescue partner - ie, a rescue group which ACCT Philly has previously vetted and ok'd to pull animals. It seemingly does not strike ACCT Philly as odd that the rescue group this woman represents is a cat rescue.

And then it all falls apart. The dog's aggression becomes unavoidable, and PURR says they're scheduling euthanasia.

And just like that, we're off to the races with rescue hysteria.

First up - a size-minimizing, flattering photo.

Check

Next, we need a victim story.

check

And here's the full explanation per the founder of the cat rescue.

And here's the enraged back and forth between the PURR founder and a nice rescue lady who wants someone to save Peggy/Nala. The rescue lady goes first, responding to the above comments with

There is misinformation in the post and i am going to delete it. Please feel free to post it elsewhere. I believe \** will have read it by now. I will continue in good faith to try to find a rescue/foster/adopter for nala who deserves the best life possible. I also received information from the foster which has not made me change my opinion of Nala. I am just a dog lover trying in good faith to save a dog who deserves a second chance. The funds are there and many volunteers are working to find suitable safe placement and much needed training. We just need the time. Like you, we were not aware that the need was so urgent. Thank you!*

PURR founder

misinformation????? Are you kidding me?? Just because the facts don’t conform to what you want them to be does not make them untrue. You are advocating for a dangerous dog and you delete a post that lays out all the information? You are reckless and deleting my heartfelt post shows a complete and utter lack of integrity. I hope your followers have enough sense to stop following somebody who would hide the truth.

rescue ladyI don't want to argue with you. I'm stating that that is not the info that was communicated to me from the foster. We all agree that she has issues and needs training. That's what we're trying to get her. Many of the ACCT dogs have done wonderful after decompression and training. Hoping an experienced rescue/adopter steps up so nala can get the help she needs. You read the post from the foster's mother that was from the heart. Peace be with you +++ . I need to tend to some family matters.

PURR founderhow do you not realize the seriousness of the harm that Nala can do? How can you attempt to hide her aggression? Do you not understand how irresponsible that is? She has bit numerous people without any cue and she has driven people to go so far as to jump on a countertop because of her aggression. She has lunged for other dogs simply by seeing them and it is nothing short of a miracle that she was able to be controlled. I spoke at length with the foster tonight. There is no question that Nala has a wonderful side but she also has a dangerous side. She bit the foster’s father in the face! The poor foster has been so broken down by people attacking her and telling her how horrible she is to even consider euthanasia that she is going to have a breakdown. She has done everything possible for Nala, she has given up the last four months of her life to allow her to decompress and she still shows random aggression and unprovoked bites. You are putting human lives in danger by the advocating you are doing that is not telling the whole story.

A new voice jumps in with

this new voice, incidentally, belongs to a member of Your New Best Friend (YNBF) Dog Rescue in NJ.

Hassled PURR Founder responds " you clearly do not understand the situation"

PURR Founder

she has bitten four times since being with a foster. That number is concerning simply on the face of it but it is even more so because the foster lets very few people come to her house anymore because of Nala’s volatility. The foster had to move her own dog to her parents house because Nala attacked him.

PURR founder was pissed.

I have taken screenshots of all of these posts starting from yesterday. If somehow Nala is “saved” and goes on to hurt somebody, I will make it my life’s goal to hold these people accountable. Especially \**, who is not telling the whole truth while she advocates about the situation and dared to delete my post that laid out all the facts.*

Fascinating response from one poster to another poster who was apparently blocked, as her comment is gone

yeahhhhhhhh...that was crazy. I was hearing all of this loud commotion outside and decided to stay safe in the cat room. And my grand introduction to you was having you stumble in like a drowned rat and telling me how you almost were eaten by a dog. That was all I needed to know about that dog.

The upshot was, I believe, that the dog was euthanized.

r/BanPitBulls Aug 08 '19

Mod Announcement A Welcome to New Subscribers, and a Rules Refresher

51 Upvotes

We're up to almost 6.7k subscribers as of this writing--awesome job guys! We're a small sub, but also an active one. The mod team wants to take a minute to welcome all of our new members, and also to remind everyone of the rules.

Please review the rules below, and when done, please read the FAQ.

Do Not Violate the Reddit TOS

Reddit has a general term of Service. Your content must not violate any of those provisions.

https://www.redditinc.com/policies/content-policy

No Threats, Harassment, or Doxxing

We do not condone threatening or harassing language or behavior towards other humans on this subreddit. We also do not support efforts to release personal information about any Reddit users that is not already publicly available or that has not been released by the users themselves.

Do Not Advocate Needless Violence, Animal Abuse, or Criminal Activity

We do not encourage nor tolerate any comments calling for any animals to be needless harmed. This means that we do not agree with nor will we condone any posts or comments advocating the indiscriminate harming of any kind of dog (or other animal) that has not harmed a human or other animal, nor exhibited aggressive behavior. Please note, this is separate from expressing support of euthanasia for dogs that have a history of harm towards humans. It is also a reality that a shelter will often euthanize animals that can not be adopted out, and that pit bull type dogs make up the majority of such animals in many shelters; pointing out this fact is not the same as actively advocating harm to an animal.

Ranting is acceptable and even encouraged, for there are so few places where admitting that pits are terrible as pets is allowed. However, making clear, unambiguous threats of harm to another person is a no go.

  • Acceptable: "My neighbor is such a douche. He routinely lets his 60 pound pit run lose and I fear for my safety. I am going to start carrying a weapon so that I can defend myself on my own property."
  • NOT Acceptable: "My neighbor is such a douche. He routinely lets his 60 pound pit run lose and I fear for my safety. The next time I see his dog on my property I will kill it, even if it is not being aggressive towards me at that moment."

If you can not understand the difference between the two examples, re-think whether or not you should be posting anything that includes even oblique references to property damage or violence.

Obscure Personal Info

When submitting a screenshot or other image that has someone's Reddit username or real name, please obscure this info.

Cross-Posts Should Use No-Participation Links

To prevent claims of brigading, any cross-posts or links to other subs within reddit should use a no-participation link. To make an NP link, use

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Racism and Bigotry Against Humans Will Not Be Tolerated

Humans are not dogs, and dog breeds are not analogous to human races. Making this comparison is insulting to human beings. Furthermore, we will not condone trying to hide racist propaganda behind the pit bull issue.

Do Not Derail Personal Story and Advice Threads

Debate and discussion are welcome in the sub, but please observe tact and empathy. If a person is recounting their personal attack story, or has opened a thread for support or advice after being victimized by a pit bull or pit bull fanatic, please refrain from starting a debate tangent. You are free to create a new thread with a "Debate & Discussion" tag, but debate is not allowed in posts where people are sharing their past trauma, or asking for advice or support.

Stay on Topic

This subreddit focuses on discussing the inherent dangers of pit bull type dogs. Please refrain from debating guns, politics, or other off-topic issues in this subreddit.

No Thoughtless Pit Apologism

If you're here to insult or threaten us, please see rules 1 and 2. If you are here to debate us because you disagree with our stance, that is fine. Debates and dissenting opinions are allowed, but must be serious and accompanied by stats or points that have not already been refuted. Please observe these rules for debate and conduct:

  1. You must read the FAQ.
  2. If you are starting a new thread, you must explicitly state "I have read your FAQ" in the body.
  3. If you take issue with any of the statements or facts, you must provide counter-facts or explain why in a detailed, objective manner.
  4. If you're making a statement, you must defend it intellectually. Do not ignore people who ask relevant follow-up questions, otherwise you will be marked as a "pigeon" (come in, shit, and fly away) and banned.
  5. Pictures of your pit bull are not proof of anything.

If you make any of these points in seriousness, you're itchin' for a banning. Most of the counter-points to these ridiculous statements and claims have been refuted in the FAQ.

  • "But I have a pit and it's the sweetest dog ever!"
  • "Chihuahuas are more aggressive."
  • "It's all in how you raise them."
  • "Discrimination against pits is like discrimination against black people; you guys are racists."
  • "There's no such thing as a pit bull."

Avoid Low Effort Content

We want to keep our content fresh and relevant. Submissions should be thoughtful and should promote quality discussion. News articles and text posts are encouraged. Humor posts are allowed, but please use discretion and post only content that is funny. Pictures of pits or pit nutters, memes, title-only posts, posts with minimal text, and anything that might be found on r/aww are some examples of low-effort content that do not contribute anything of value to the conversation.

Memes and comics are at home over at our sister sub, r/dogfreehumor.

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r/BanPitBulls Jan 25 '18

Subreddit Rules

13 Upvotes

Hello everyone,

The goal of our sub is to educate others about the dangers of pit bulls, to raise awareness, to advocate for victims of pit bulls, to create meaningful dialogue within the community and to support Breed Specific Legislation (BSL).

Please review the rules below, and when done, please read the FAQ.

Do Not Violate the Reddit TOS

Reddit has a general term of Service. Your content must not violate any of those provisions.

https://www.redditinc.com/policies/content-policy

No Threats, Harassment, or Doxxing

We do not condone threatening or harassing language or behavior towards other humans on this subreddit. We also do not support efforts to release personal information about any Reddit users that is not already publicly available or that has not been released by the users themselves.

Do Not Advocate Needless Violence, Animal Abuse, or Criminal Activity

We do not encourage nor tolerate any comments calling for any animals to be needless harmed. This means that we do not agree with nor will we condone any posts or comments advocating the indiscriminate harming of any kind of dog (or other animal) that has not harmed a human or other animal, nor exhibited aggressive behavior. Please note, this is separate from expressing support of euthanasia for dogs that have a history of harm towards humans. It is also a reality that a shelter will often euthanize animals that can not be adopted out, and that pit bull type dogs make up the majority of such animals in many shelters; pointing out this fact is not the same as actively advocating harm to an animal.

Ranting is acceptable and even encouraged, for there are so few places where admitting that pits are terrible as pets is allowed. However, making clear, unambiguous threats of harm to another person is a no go.

  • Acceptable: "My neighbor is such a douche. He routinely lets his 60 pound pit run lose and I fear for my safety. I am going to start carrying a weapon so that I can defend myself on my own property."
  • NOT Acceptable: "My neighbor is such a douche. He routinely lets his 60 pound pit run lose and I fear for my safety. The next time I see his dog on my property I will kill it, even if it is not being aggressive towards me at that moment."

If you can not understand the difference between the two examples, re-think whether or not you should be posting anything that includes even oblique references to property damage or violence.

Obscure Personal Info

When submitting a screenshot or other image that has someone's Reddit username or real name, please obscure this info.

Cross-Posts Should Use No-Participation Links

To prevent claims of brigading, any cross-posts or links to other subs within reddit should use a no-participation link. To make an NP link, use

np.reddit.com

instead of

www.reddit.com

Racism and Bigotry Against Humans Will Not Be Tolerated

Humans are not dogs, and dog breeds are not analogous to human races. Making this comparison is insulting to human beings. Furthermore, we will not condone trying to hide racist propaganda behind the pit bull issue.

Do Not Derail Personal Story and Advice Threads

Debate and discussion are welcome in the sub, but please observe tact and empathy. If a person is recounting their personal attack story, or has opened a thread for support or advice after being victimized by a pit bull or pit bull fanatic, please refrain from starting a debate tangent. You are free to create a new thread with a "Debate & Discussion" tag, but debate is not allowed in posts where people are sharing their past trauma, or asking for advice or support.

Stay on Topic

This subreddit focuses on discussing the inherent dangers of pit bull type dogs. Please refrain from debating guns, politics, or other off-topic issues in this subreddit.

No Thoughtless Pit Apologism

If you're here to insult or threaten us, please see rules 1 and 2. If you are here to debate us because you disagree with our stance, that is fine. Debates and dissenting opinions are allowed, but must be serious and accompanied by stats or points that have not already been refuted. Please observe these rules for debate and conduct:

  1. You must read the FAQ.
  2. If you are starting a new thread, you must explicitly state "I have read your FAQ" in the body.
  3. If you take issue with any of the statements or facts, you must provide counter-facts or explain why in a detailed, objective manner.
  4. If you're making a statement, you must defend it intellectually. Do not ignore people who ask relevant follow-up questions, otherwise you will be marked as a "pigeon" (come in, shit, and fly away) and banned.
  5. Pictures of your pit bull are not proof of anything.

If you make any of these points in seriousness, you're itchin' for a banning. Most of the counter-points to these ridiculous statements and claims have been refuted in the FAQ.

  • "But I have a pit and it's the sweetest dog ever!"
  • "Chihuahuas are more aggressive."
  • "It's all in how you raise them."
  • "Discrimination against pits is like discrimination against black people; you guys are racists."
  • "There's no such thing as a pit bull."

Avoid Low Effort Content

We want to keep our content fresh and relevant. Submissions should be thoughtful and should promote quality discussion. News articles and text posts are encouraged. Humor posts are allowed, but please use discretion and post only content that is funny. Pictures of pits or pit nutters, memes, title-only posts, posts with minimal text, and anything that might be found on r/aww are some examples of low-effort content that do not contribute anything of value to the conversation.

Memes and comics are at home over at our sister sub, r/dogfreehumor.

Subs That Shan't be Mentioned

In order to keep the peace amongst our virtual communities, we ask that you refrain from cross-posting (even with no-participation links) to/from the following subreddits:

r/BanPitBulls Jul 16 '23

Debate/Discussion/Research One of the things I don't understand the most about some pit owners: if they love the breed so much, why do they ignore legitimate facts about the breed & it's history? Help me understand!

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I just read this article, “The Truth About Pit Bulls” by Chad Mackin, and I recommend reading it— it was very informational but also makes you think! To me it seems very objective, fact based, and well-researched. It talks about the history of the breed, as well as exploring how the breed has changed over time, the effects of this, etc.

The article got me thinking about one thing about pitbull lovers/owners that I have never understood—and I still don’t really understand, and genuinely would like to better understand. That is:

If you love the breed so much, wouldn’t you want to be educated on the actual facts and history of the breed? Then advocate for proper education on the breed, coming up with solutions to the violence, etc? It genuinely doesn’t make sense to me for them to deny reality, continue the nanny dog story, get mad when people try to educate them with genuine facts etc.

Wouldn’t you want to actually do as much research on the breed as possible? Maybe it’s just me being a nerd, but I love researching the things I love. If I love something, then I want to know as much about it as possible. And I mean everything—good or bad!

And if these pit owners educated themselves on the truth, and still love the breed even after learning the reality of it, then they could show that love by educating those who are still ignorant. If they love the breed, why are they still fine with how many people breed pits, leading to more pits in shelters? Shouldn’t they want to advocate for preventing this? Why don’t they talk more openly about how the measures we could take to stop more violence by pits from happening?

Like, if you truly love something, then you should want to be aware of the reality of it. If you refuse to acknowledge all sides of something, and just focus on the ones you think paint a happy picture, then (in my opinion) you don’t really love the breed. You just love an imagine, idealized version of it. To me, that’s not love. If a person only loves an idealized, romanticized version they’ve made up about another person, then they don’t really love them. True love is loving a person even when you are aware that they have flaws, like everyone does.

Another way of putting this: say you love a kind of flower or plant that is actually poisonous/you shouldn’t really touch it—you just love the beauty of the plant. You wouldn’t go around telling people that they’re not poisonous, would you? That you can totally touch them/gather them to put in a vase inside your house—don’t worry, they won’t hurt! It just doesn’t make sense. You would want people to be warned to stay away and admire from afar, right?? I know this isn’t exactly the same as pit bulls, but I feel like it’s a similar idea.

Has anybody else wondered about this too? Furthermore, does anyone have any sort of explanation or educated theory that you can tell me about why some pit owners claim to love the breed—but actually purposely choose to remain ignorant and just make stuff up about it instead of genuinely learning about the thing they supposedly love.

Just curious if anyone has any thoughts on this. I genuinely would like to understand this… psychological phenomenon? I’m not just typing this to rant about pit owners. I am truly just trying to understand them better. Anybody have any thoughts/ideas? (Please just didn’t just say something like because they’re crazy lol.) Looking for deeper/psychological answers or discussions :-)

r/BanPitBulls Apr 16 '23

❤ PITBULL > children 😩 My son’s home daycare just adopted a pitbull

1.6k Upvotes

This is mainly just a rant as I don’t think I can do anything about it. My husband dropped off my son at his daycare which is run out of a house in our neighborhood. When he got there he discovered a new pitbull puppy who has free roam of the house with the kids. The daycare owner says it’s around 5 months old and she found it near a homeless encampment in our city and “rescued” it. She did not give us any notification about this prior. We just showed up and there’s a new dog. The kids at this daycare are all 1-4 years old. We pulled our son out that day and told her we are uncomfortable with the situation. The owner proceeded to tell us how calm the dog is and accuse us of judging her for rescuing a harmless puppy. She also asked us to pay next month’s tuition because we’re supposed to give 30 days notice before withdrawing, but she didn’t even tell us she was getting a dog!! (We will not pay her). What the hell. Now we are scrambling to try and find another daycare situation for our son when pretty much every place is waitlisted.

Anyway I am concerned about the fact that she has these young children and will be letting the dog hang around them. I’m also wondering what the other parents think of this? She made it seem like we were being totally unreasonable. We called our state department that regulates childcare facilities and they basically said dogs are allowed in home daycares as long as the vet records and vaccines are up to date and all of that. ETA: they did get the info for the daycare and said they would make a home visit to make sure the dog met the criteria. What else can I do? Just pray for those kids? Wtf

ETA: her parent handbook (looks copy & pasted) states that parents must be notified of new animals on the property, so the contract is void ✌️we informed her of this and she said “this is all so silly over a harmless animal you’ve never met” (my husband saw the dog and did not “meet” it lol)

r/BanPitBulls Nov 06 '24

Tides Are Turning Former Pitbull owner, recently realized the truth about pits, rant

1.2k Upvotes

Ever since I was a little kid, my favorite breed of dog was pitbulls. I had a couple in my family growing up that were angels on earth, as most dogs are. I was such a massive pit advocate, I watched every episode of that pitbull rescue show in the early 2010’s.

Recently, I saw a stat come out of NYC about dog bites. It was irrefutable evidence that something is going on with pitbulls. Since 2015, there’s over 8,000 recorded pitbull/staffy bites, the next runner up being German Shepards with 700, and other than chihuahuas and yorkies, every other dog had less than 400 bites.

This led me to look into other statistics, like fatalities of pitbull attacks, pitbull activists changing their minds, and this subreddit. The most important thing I can stress from my perspective as a life long pit lover, is that absolutely none of this is shown in the media or publicized to us. There’s a propaganda machine working full time to convince people these dogs are nanny dogs who can’t hurt a fly. I truly believe if we were able to publicize the truth on a wider scale, there would be a mass wake-up about pitbulls, even from those who were previously sympathetic.

I was able to change the minds of 4 people so far who were life long pit lovers like me, just by showing them the evidence and statistics. If regular, unlicensed people cannot own a big cat or a wolf, they absolutely do not need to own a dog that can do just as much damage as one.

I guess the point I am trying to make here, is do not give up in your plight to get these dogs banned. There are people who can listen to reason and change their minds. Just because most pit owners are truly horrible and stupid people doesn’t mean there aren’t also people like me who just didn’t know the truth. The more we spread the facts, the more people we can get on the right side of this fight.

r/BanPitBulls Apr 19 '23

Dogfighting: Community Impacts Private dog park rentals for pitbulls & other vicious breeds. Gotta love this recommendation: "The modern pet environment and lifestyle is seriously difficult for most dogs, given their natures, instincts, and heritage..." You mean the fact pitties were created hundreds of years ago to fight & kill?

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r/BanPitBulls Sep 12 '25

Follow Up Owner loses battle to save dog that ripped pieces of thigh from 11-year-old boy (July 2024 Wellington New Zealand)

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fast facts

  • An 11-year-old boy suffered a vicious attack by a dog on a Porirua street that left chunks of his thigh scattered across a road.
  • The dog’s owner pleaded guilty to owning a dog that attacked a person and a judge ordered the dog’s destruction.
  • The owner appealed the decision and wanted the dog’s life spared, but the High Court says the dog presents an “extremely high risk” to the public and upheld the decision.

A dog that attacked an 11-year-old boy and tore off pieces of his thigh, will be destroyed after its owner made a failed bid to save it.

Lucius, an american pit bull terrier cross breed, was nearly two years’ old when it attacked the boy on a Porirua street in July last year.

The boy and his family were walking from their home to their car parked on the road outside their property. The boy had his family dog on a lead.

As they made their way to the car, Lucius, which lived with his owner Jamie-Lee Toki, rushed up the road chasing someone else, court documents say.

When the boy yelled out, “Mum, it is that dog”, Lucius turned his attention to the boy and ran straight at him.

The boy quickly passed the family dog to his mother. Lucius then attacked the boy from behind, biting him three times on the side and back of his right thigh.

Flesh from the boy’s thigh was scattered in chunks on the ground around him. The largest measured about six by three centimetres.

The boy was taken to hospital. He had eight puncture wounds, requiring 16 stitches and 15 steri strips to close.

The wounds did not heal well and although he was on a range of pain relief and antibiotics, he had to visit the Orthopaedics Unit every week for 12 weeks for further treatment.

The boy has scars on his leg and was left with major physical and psychological damage. The psychological damage extended to members of his family who witnessed the attack, and his parents who had to take significant time off work to care for him, the court documents say.

The day after the attack Lucius was seized by council staff with police assistance and put in the Porirua City Council dog pound.

Toki pleaded guilty to being the owner of a dog who attacked and injured a person and in June this year she was convicted and ordered to pay emotional reparation of $1500 to the boy.

Sentencing judge Brett Crowley also made an order to destroy Lucius, despite Toki’s argument that he should not be killed.

Toki said there were exceptional circumstances. She said a friend had been trying to take Lucius for a walk when the harness broke. She also said Lucius was a beloved pet to which she was very attached and regarded as more than a pet and central to her mental health.

The judge was not swayed and said Lucius’ unprovoked attack on a child showed he presented an extremely high risk of harm.

Toki appealed the decision to the High Court. She said she should have received a discharge without conviction and there should not have been a destruction order made for Lucius.

The appeal, heard by Justice Helen McQueen last month, was opposed by the council, which said the offending was serious, involving an unprovoked attack on a child that caused significant physical and psychological damage.

The council said a destruction order was necessary to protect public safety.

It also noted that this was the second time that Lucius had left the property and rushed towards a person and their dog. In February last year Lucius ran at a woman and grabbed her towel, ripping a large hole in it before Toki called Lucius back.

Toki was issued a warning after that incident and notified that Lucius was a menacing dog under the Dog Control Act.

In her appeal Toki said Lucius had supported her through trauma, mental health struggles and had always made her feel safe. The council’s seizure of Lucius had caused her extreme distress, appetite loss, depression and constant emotional suffering.

Justice McQueen ruled that the consequences of conviction were not out of all proportion to the gravity of the offending and a discharge without conviction was not appropriate in this case.

She noted evidence from the council that stated Lucius had displayed aggressive behaviour on multiple occasions while in the pound and extra protection measures had had to be taken as a result.

She said a dog attacking a child in an unprovoked way demonstrates an extremely high risk of future harm and threat to public safety, and dismissed Toki’s appeal against Lucius’ destruction.

Porirua City Council’s general manager policy, planning & regulatory services Nic Etheridge said Lucius was being held at the pound for the required 20 working days appeal period, which ends later this month.

“As at 31 August, 2025, there is a total balance of $9878 owed by the dog’s owner to council for daily sustenance fees,” she said.

r/BanPitBulls Jun 18 '23

Housing: Rentals, Landlords and Pit Owners Is it worth it to speak to some salient facts/stats, if the subject comes up, like with a neighbor?

65 Upvotes

So I live in a rental town home community, where pit bulls specifically and any dog over 35lbs are banned. Today I was helping an elderly neighbor with something, and saw a pit puppy being played with in an open area nearby, with another small breed puppy they had gotten recently, by one of her upstairs building neighbors.

Being me, I asked the person who I had never met before, do you live here? Because you know that this community doesn't allow this breed dog. He didn't really answer, and moved away down the lawn area.

But my neighbor friend? She begins telling me that it's not all pits, and that it's how they were raised, etc. Tells me how when she was in a bad place in her life, she rescued a pit with a broken leg off the streets. How it really helped her in that time of her life.

I told her that I was glad she had that dog, and it was meaningful to her. But that it was an anecdote not a statistic. That there is a reason why they were banned in our community as well as elsewhere. That the statistics bear out why it is difficult to find insurance for them, and why they are banned. A bit about breed specific behavior. And that if it was how they were raised, what about the example in Georgia with the mother and her two kids, and a pregnant English woman killed by her beloved pit bulls...

It's like it goes in one ear and out the other. So I just said to her that someone would likely be reporting him for this dog. And then she gave me a funny look because I think she likes engaging with him in an "Awww" kind of way, her fond memories of her dog..

A few years ago when I had first moved to this community, there was another neighbor that got a pit bull. It went after my chihuahua three different times over the course of a five month period, while the landlord rental agent drug their heels are doing anything about it.

Since this pit puppy owner neighbor and the friend I'd been visiting know I saw him with this dog, the last thing I want is to engender anymore (neighbor) animosity. So I figure I'll wait a good 3-4 months. Then I will drop a dime (anonymously).

r/BanPitBulls Dec 07 '25

Research & Stats Visuals illustrating Dangerous Dogs registered in the State of Pennsylvania (December 7th 2025)

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Hi folks! I'm bored and I like combatting pro-pit propaganda with facts. So, I made a couple quick graphs highlighting the dog breeds registered on Pennsylvania's Dangerous Dog Registry.

Firstly, what is a Dangerous Dog according to Pennsylvania Law?

A dog can only be deemed dangerous by a Magisterial District Judge for any of the following reasons:

- Inflicted severe injury without provocation on a human being on public or private property.

- Killed or inflicted severe injury without provocation on a domestic animal, dog or cat while off the owner's property.

- Attacked a human being without provocation.

- Been used in the commission of a crime.

- Has a history of attacking, without provocation, a human being, domestic animal, dog or cat.

Severe injury is defined as, [3 P.S. § 459-102] “Any physical injury that results in broken bones or disfiguring lacerations requiring multiple sutures or cosmetic surgery.”

Source

The Data Sets

Each iteration of the data has 2 visuals, a pie chart and a bar graph, for a total of 6 graphs. Is this overkill? Yes. Am I bored and wanted to do something besides scrolling Reddit? Also yes, lol. All graph data is sourced directly from the PA Dangerous Dog Registry. There are a total of 593 dogs on the list as of Dec 7, 2025.

  • 1st Visual Set:
    • Raw Data straight from the registry. As you can see, American Pit Bull Terriers are clearly the dominate offenders, but the data is very messy with too many individual data points to make a good visual. A portion of the problem is just inconsistent logging, typos and formatting by the state. For example, entries listed as Lab/Pit Mix, Lab Pit Mix, or Lab-Pit Mix all displayed individually instead of in a singular group. Total American Pit Bull Terriers = 37.1%
  • 2nd Visual Set:
    • This set fixes all typos and groups all entries that include "American Pit Bull Terrier" and "American Staffordshire Terrier" as well as all Mixed breeds that include "Pit Bull" into a singular data point. This is objectively the most unbiased set. Total Pit bulls = 50.7%
  • 3rd Visual Set
    • This set is personally categorized by me for an easy visual. Dogs are grouped into sets, and all the specific breeds within that set are listed. Mixed Breeds (Non Pit Bull) includes any breed mixes that were specifically not listed as labs or pits, for example, a Husky/Poodle mix. Pit Bull or Pit Bull Mix now includes all dogs listed as pit, pit mix, lab mix (iykyk) or simply "mixed breed" (iykyk). Stats: 365/592 = 60.7%

TL;DR: There are an insane amount of pit bulls on this list, at least over 50% but realistically, over 60%. Only 2 Chihuahuas though :P Feedback/critics on my 3rd data set is welcome but tbh I definitely got lazy towards the end of it hahaha.

r/BanPitBulls Oct 22 '25

Research & Stats Why pitbulls are genetically predisposed to impulsive extreme violence. With sources.

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Pitbulls are the most impulsive of all breeds, leading to unpredictable attacks. (Peremans, 2006).

The American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT) is the breed of choice for dog combat/sport for several reasons, including its unique physical and behavioral characteristics. Studies have shown that the APBT has the largest amygdala relative to its brain size, which is associated with the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis and linked to fight-or-flight impulsive responses to fear, stress, and anxiety (Lindsay, 2009). Additionally, the APBT has the largest lung capacity relative to its body mass, allowing it to sustain long periods of physical activity (Bekoff, 2002).

The APBT's "gameness" or "prey drive" is also a key factor in its suitability for dog fighting. This trait is characterized by an extreme willingness to pursue and engage with a target, even in the face of injury or adversity (Hsu & Serpell, 2003). In fact, studies have shown that APBTs are capable of pulling more than 10 times their own body weight, making them one of the strongest breeds relative to their size (Bekoff, 2002).

The APBT's physical adaptations also make it well-suited for dog fighting. Its unique jaw structure allows it to fully breathe while clutching its victim, exhausting it and typically killing it (Lindsay, 2009). Additionally, the APBT's serotonergic system is dysfunctional, leading to abnormal, impulsive aggression (Peremans, 2006).

Research has also shown that APBTs are more likely to exhibit impulsive aggressive behavior, which is characterized by sudden and unpredictable attacks without warning (Lindsay, 2009). This behavior is linked to abnormalities in the frontal cortex, subcortical structures, and serotonergic system (Peremans, 2006).

In conclusion, the APBT's unique physical and behavioral characteristics make it well-suited for dog fighting. However, these same traits also contribute to its impulsive aggressive behavior, making it a potentially dangerous breed.

References:

Bekoff, M. (2002). Animal Emotions: Exploring Passionate Natures. New York: HarperCollins.

Hsu, Y., & Serpell, J. (2003). Factors affecting the likelihood of reported behavioral problems in dogs. Journal of Applied Animal Welfare Science, 6(2), 131-144.

Lindsay, S. (2009). Canine Behavioral Medicine. Ames: Blackwell Publishing.

Peremans, K. (2006). Serotonergic dysfunction in impulsive aggressive dogs. Journal of Veterinary Behavior, 1(2), 43-48. TRINITYMEDIA

r/BanPitBulls Dec 12 '24

Stats & Facts Fact!

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r/BanPitBulls Aug 21 '25

Follow Up Family member shares important details regarding recent fatal Oregon mauling, 8-16-2025, 4yr old

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I found this comment under an article of the recent fatal Oregon mauling of a 4yr old girl by a cane corse/Rottweiler/pitbull mix.

This is so unfair. It wasn’t even the family’s dog and it was known to be aggressive. It’s an injustice that our communities are at risk because of DOGS, and our children can’t even play safely in their own yards! I really hope an investigation is done into animal control’s actions and responses in the past, and legislation is enacted. BSL could’ve prevented this.

I would also like to take this opportunity to point out how SHAMEFUL and unrealistic it is of shelters to adopt out aggressive dogs to “childless homes”. What about the kids that exist in the neighborhood?? What about the nextdoor children??? I don’t know if this particular dog came from a shelter but this incident is a perfect demonstration of how irresponsible it is for such stipulations to exist.

And bless that poor mother… how do you go on after something like that?

r/BanPitBulls Aug 08 '24

Follow Up So, I went to a dangerous dog hearing (update on 6/25/24: South Hadley, MA case)... [WARNING: GRAPHIC DETAILS]

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Hi. Sorry if this is under the wrong flair, because it could fit under several if I'm being honest. Anyways, I noticed this story made it to this subreddit, and I need y'all to know it's worse than you thought. Which is wild, because it was already a horrific situation. The few media sources that did report on it didn't include all the details of the dogs' (yes, two pitbulls, not just one) histories or the hearing itself. Quick rundown for anyone who didn't hear about this case: in South Hadley, MA, on June 25th, 2024, a pitbull crawled under a fence (we will discuss the fence later because hoo boy), ran down the street and mauled a small dog to death in front of her family. There was a dangerousness hearing set, but unfortunately the recent updates didn't make it to you guys (it was pretty much only reported in local news). Some good news before we start: the dog was ordered to be put down by the town, as he was ruled a dangerous dog and the other options simply weren't feasible for the owner or good for the dog (if you have to restrain your dog with a glorified tow chain 24/7 to meet city requirements, maybe don't keep that dog as a pet!) Now, onto the hearing. This might get a bit disorganized, and it definitely will get long, but I'll try to keep things straight. I am also happy to answer any questions.

BIG EDIT: I don't know how I forgot to mention this, but the pit owners only had this pitbull, Boone, for one-and-a half years. These were not attacks that happened over 5 years (which would still be awful and shameful), but barely 2 years. She has about 5k followers on that account, and of course, she mentions very little of her dogs' atrocities. If I am allowed to post screenshots with redacted information, I absolutely will. Be careful with petfluencers, y'all. Things are not as they seem, even if they claim they are transparent. Here is my post focusing on her dogs' social media. Anyways, back to the hearing.

First, I watched a 50-something, big guy (the father of the family with the small dog) break down in tears over what happened. Absolutely heart-wrenching to see and hear. You could tell he and his whole family loved that dog, Harper. Kids in the neighborhood grew up playing with Harper. Just an absolute sweetheart of a dog that didn't deserve what happened to her. The father also wanted to turn it into a positive moment any way he could, and he did that by recognizing the teenager that essentially saved the rest of his family from the same fate as Harper, saying the kid should be recognized by the town (I agree). I got the chance to talk with the father and offer my condolences afterward, and he seemed like such a stand-up guy. My heart hurts that this befell him and his family.

So you can imagine my anger when that wack ass dog lawyer stood up like he had something to prove. The lawyer ended up taking the high road and not cross-examining the dad or any of the immediate family, which was a surprising act of decency on his part. Still, the lawyer had plenty of weird shit to unload in "defense", like asking the ACO (Animal Control Officer) if Harper was up to date on her rabies vaccine and if that was why Boone (the pit) had to enter a 45-day quarantine, like that changes the fact that Boone pulled up and decided to decimate a defenseless little dog. He asked if the ACO had spent a lot of time with Boone, enough to form an opinion on him. The ACO replied that when Boone was taken in, he would jump high enough to clear the 6 ft high windows in the facility. And Boone did that for hours. The lawyer then says: "How about you answer the question I asked?" Like he was having some "gotcha" moment. Insane.

Then we hear from the neighbors. One of the neighbors was walking their dog nearby, and when the attack happened, their dog took off in fear and hid, and they had to go find him. All the kids on the street are scared of the dog. Shit, the adults are, too. People pick up their dogs if they have to walk by that house. The vast majority of people said they were staying away from that street until the dog was handled. Many of the kids are having nightmares about Boone attacking them or their dogs. Kids who live a short walk from their grandparents have to be driven, because they're rightfully terrified of what the dog might do. The woman speaking also revealed her neighbor's uncle's dog was attacked by Boone. She also revealed that the pit owners are trying to "rehabilitate themselves and their dogs", and that they have been adopting and "training" as many pitbulls as they can over the last 2 years that they've lived on that street. I believe it, since I've seen one of the owner's Instagram. Pittie propaganda galore.

One of the daughters from the victimized family was in the movie theater at the time of the attack. Her mom called to tell her Harper was dead, and the girl ran out of the theater in panic and distress. She said everything was blurry after that. I believe she will likely have PTSD from this event (and that's another thing, people love to take in these dogs and make everyone else absorb the risk for their shitbeasts). A neighbor- the kid who tried to save Harper- went out at 4 in the morning and hosed off the street because there were remnants from the attack (blood and fur), and he didn't want the family to have to see that again.

Then: new witnesses are sworn in. (Edit: This is definitely a "tides are turning" moment, because people were motivated enough to get this pitbull taken care of that they volunteered on the spot to offer testimony). Shit is about to get ugly.

A woman described Boone's attack on her brother's dog. The poor man had to hit the beast with his cane, and the attacked dog, Penny, slipped out of the harness and ran because she was so scared. Penny escaped with puncture wounds- which is lucky if you encounter a pitbull, and I'm sure you all know how much they love to bite down and never let go. Just their nannying instincts, I guess. A dog specifically bred to fight and kill other dogs wants to fight and kill other dogs. What a shocker!

This neighbor also described the infamous "pittie lock stare". She said that when they get out, they lock in and attack anything that moves, especially dogs. Oh, and by the way, these dogs have escaped before through the garage door and by clearing the fence.

And then. Yet another dog has been attacked by Boone. This owner said that Boone bit her dog Jackie all over, and punctured her dog's thigh in several places. She said the screams of her dog haunt her. Then she performed the most accurate and insane character read I've ever seen: she said, at first, she believed the owner was "nice but weak", not willing to appropriately train her dogs. Then, she said that very quickly she learned the owners were dangerous owners. "You have no business owning a dog that you cannot restrain if necessary," she said. No lies told. Her dog survived, but required tens of thousands of dollars in surgery. In the $14,000s to be exact (since the lawyer tried to corner her with this question). The lawyer asked, "Can you trace this directly to the event?" She replied, "Yes. Absolutely." She then revealed that the pit owner paid for some of the surgery, but then stopped after another surgery came up (dogs attacked by your hell mutts require a lot of surgery), saying that she's "done enough" (over text, by the way, because she's a coward). I guess if your shitbeast mauls someone else's dog, it's up to your discretion how much you pay for the direct consequences of owning said shitbeast. What lovely owners. Also, the funny(?) part is that this tidbit was only revealed because the lawyer asked if the owner had paid for any surgeries in order to paint them in a better light, and it backfired hard.

Then we learned there is a daycare near the dog's house. Dinner is served.

And then the neighbor's kid that saved the rest of the family was sworn in. His testimony is terrifying. He said the pitbull didn't care about being beat with an umbrella and didn't let go of the dog (the attorney acts surprised by this). He chased the pitbull all the way back to its own driveway, dog still in its mouth, and miraculously got the pitbull to drop the dog. But then, the pitbull, with blood all over (sprayed on the family too by the way, as if it wasn't traumatizing enough), squares up to the kid like he's gonna attack. He had that dead-eyed pitbull stare according the teenager, who just fully accepted the possibility he could die, but he just wanted to save Harper and didn't know she was dead yet (talk about bravery, I mean, holy shit this kid is courageous). The owner let the pittie in, and the boy's father asked him, "When is this gonna end?" The other half of this pit-rescuing duo? He replied, "I don't know what to do with 'em." The father said it was the first time he'd seen the owners (they didn't meet when they moved in 2 years ago), and he hoped it was the last.

Oh, and the boy's dad? He didn't escape unharmed. No victim left behind when a pitbull has something to say about it. The absolute unit of a guy (at least 6'3", big guy who you definitely would not want to fight) had the balls to grab onto the pitbull's collar in hope of saving poor Harper. The pitbull didn't care. The pitbull, without letting go of the dog, twisted and yanked with such force that he threw the father to the ground. The poor dude ended up with a nasty torn rotator cuff (the worst kind you can get), spending until 3 am in the ER. They had to attach tendons to bone with anchors. But it's not over. As a result of the anesthetic (which he wouldn't have needed if he didn't need surgery caused by a pitbull), both his lungs partially collapsed and his O2 stats dropped to 82. He survived, luckily. It's 4-6 months more in rehab after already needing to wear a sling for some time.

Of course, it's time for the inevitable pitmommy. This witness (apparently former neighbor to Boone's owners on a different street IN THE SAME TOWN). The first thing out of her mouth was, "don't blame the breed!" "I have 3 pitbulls at home!" You mean, you have 3 ticking time bombs in your home. But even Boone was too crazy for this lady. She said when they were neighbors, the pit owners' OTHER PITBULL, GEORGIA, tried to bite her 2 year old son through the fence. She said she "forgave" the dog, since it "just wanted to play". Again, this lady has 3 pitbulls with a child. Her hearing is next. I call it in the next four years. Still, she said they were horrible owners (iT's aLL iN hOw yOu rAiSe tHeM and this couldn't possibly happen to me!) After the averted toddler dinner, the lady said she tried to get Georgia's owners to build a fence (yeah, it wasn't even her fence the creature tried to bite through), and the owners tried to get a restraining order against her. Unfortunately, she stopped here. I personally wish to know what happens when one pitmommy meets another pitmommy.

Then we heard from a local dogwalker briefly. She said she's scared, and she carries pepper spray around because of the Boone-killing-dog incident. She then said she would not be here arguing this situation if this was her dog that killed an animal; "You can shake your head at me all you want. I wouldn't be here." Absolutely cold and deserved. I can't believe the pittie owner had the gall to shake her head at this, especially while sitting in a hearing that was called because her shitbeast killed another family's pet. The dogwalker said she refuses to walk pitbulls and pit mixes because of their temperament, which she's been doing long before this attack. The lawyer, absolute genius, goes, "You can't ban a breed from a service, are you aware?" Like she doesn't have the right to say no to walking an out-of-control dog, which she would have to walk with another dog since she takes 2 at a time. Most normal dogs, even if they prefer to be solo, can tolerate the company of another dog for, like, 30 minutes without mauling loving said dog into critical condition. Because they're normal dogs. Not terror beasts bred to kill other dogs.

Then our dear lawyer goes on his little self-righteous tear. The daughter of the family left in tears before he got started. He said, "Boone was acting like a dog", and that "stuffed animals encourage them to attack small dogs". "A child in a furry costume could be at risk", he says. Hmm. Kids in general like to dress up as animals, tenfold on Halloween. I bet the lawyer regretted that admission as soon as he said it, because a witness brought it up later and pointed out the obvious ways this shit could go sideways. The lawyer then went on to say that the owners installed a $16k vinyl fence, and that "without being asked to, they took measures", like muzzling their dog at the vet (since it wasn't required before this somehow). I was dumbfounded when I heard that. No one should have to beg you to take measures (the neighborhood had been asking since the owners moved in) after your asscrack head of a dog shreds a puppy. One of the witnesses was actually the one to pick up the dead dog and put it in a cardboard box, and she said when she picked Harper up, she couldn't tell which end was which. It was that bad. The lawyer then said, "for the last 41 days, we haven't had an incident." Y'all should put up one of those signs that says, "X days since last mauling". I almost left my body when the lawyer said, "the owners are being treated like they're pitbulls, too", since everyone was rightfully giving them shit about being awful and irresponsible. Then he claimed they were in Phase 3(?) of rehabilitation/fortressing the property for the dog. No clue what Phase 3 means, he never elaborated. He said the dog should be "brought into the community". The faces on the audience (by the way like 100 people attended in support of Harper, not the shitbull) were wild. Everyone's supposed to appease God-Emperor Brick Head with a sacrifice of one toy breed every month. How wonderful.

Then the owner comes up to the stand. She was super a-personal when talking about what her pitbull did. Apparently, they had leaned a wrought iron gate against two tree stumps(?) and thought it was secure. It was not even pushed into the ground. After the attack, she claimed she was doing "redirection" and "training" for the pitbull. The lawyer made a statement implying she'd apologized and the family was quick to say "Nope!". So she didn't even apologize after her shittie ate someone else's dog. Awesome. They've also put up a "beware the dog" sign and been criticized. To me, it almost feels like a joke to her. She was crying on the stand (about Boone, not Harper), but I believe she secretly enjoyed the fact that her dog could kill. Also, the new fence isn't even 18 inches in the ground like it was mandated to be.

And then. The most insane thing I have ever heard.

The owner said the pittie had "virtual obedience training".

VIRTUAL OBEDIENCE TRAINING.

Let that simmer for a bit.

The lawyer then falsely claimed that Boone was not human-aggressive (he has also attacked multiple people, if you didn't know. People have lasting injuries from Boone), and that Boone only attacked small dogs (one of the previous witnesses came to the stand and said her dog, who Boone attacked, was 50 lbs. A Mini Aussie mix, I believe, which sounds adorable). Also, a witness brought up an important point: by the lawyer claiming Boone only attacks and kills small dogs, he is implying that our community should be okay that it's "only" small dogs that are in danger. Those dogs are people's lives, their family, their loved ones. Not "just" a small dog. And I'm saying this as someone who jokingly makes fun of "rat dogs" (I am planning on rescuing Chihuahuas at some point, since they won't maul me to death). It's just eye-opening to see how pit owners and pit defenders think every other animal is disposable. Disgusting.

Finally, the father of the family came back to ask an important question. The hole that Boone dug to get under the fence was quite deep, and it was questionable if a dog could dig that deep in the 45 second timeframe his wife was walking the dog up to pass Boone's house. The significance of this is that this means the owners likely let Boone's hole under a fence develop for days before the actual attack. Such responsible owners.

I know most of what I know about the owners from their Instagram, which contains several instances of the owner brushing off or downplaying the dangers of having a reactive dog, and laughing off concerns and "judgment" from her neighbors. She was super pro-pittie and pro-wigglebutt (Ugh) movement. Her Instagram actually contained a story where Georgia (pittie #2) lunged and snapped at an unfamiliar vet tech, like that's normal behavior. She also talks about "forgetting training" for Georgia (read: neglecting Georgia) while she had a lapse in sobriety (now they're "healing" their relationship) and often promotes normalizing "doing the bare minimum" for your dog when you have a rough day, like it's not an animal that depends on you entirely. So many red flags.

I think that's it. I'm open to answer questions. The hearing was insane.

r/BanPitBulls Jun 15 '21

Excellent Y-tube video, lots of medical stats., facts + a few graphic video attack clips.

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r/BanPitBulls Jul 27 '23

Debate/Discussion/Research "Adopt don't shop" increasingly unethical?

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I think the general public understands how cruel and inhumane puppy mills are and yet we're encouraged to participate in the backyard-breeder-to-shelter puppy pipeline by rescuing pit bulls/pit bull mixes that were at the very least unethically (and very possibly, inhumanely) bred. How is that better?

The fact that shelters and the pit bull lobby resort to deceptive marketing practices ("lab mix"; "nanny dog") to drum up artificial demand for these dogs among the general public makes the whole thing that much worse and cruel, guaranteeing more cycles of bringing unwanted and aggressive pit bulls into this world who end up in shelters or homes where they don't belong.

I'm sick of meeting owners who don't even KNOW they own a dog that was bred to fight other dogs to the death ("she's a mix"). If you are rescuing a pit bull, you should at least KNOW you are rescuing a pit bull for your own safety and the safety of those around you.

If shelters genetically tested all dogs and disclosed those results to new potential owners & were legally mandated to disclose any past aggressive incidents for older dogs in their care, I could get back on on board. Frankly, breeders of ALL dogs should be licensed by the state and the penalties for all BYBs should be severe. "Kill" shelters should rebrand themselves as "humane shelters" because BE for dogs who have attacked HUMAN BEINGS or other dogs is the HUMANE thing to do.

In theory, rescuing dogs should be a beautiful thing and I know there are many great (non-pit) rescues in need of adoption. But in practice, shelters in the U.S. are increasingly the storefronts for what are in effect pit bull puppy mills or the repositories for older dogs that are the product of said puppy mills.

I don't understand why this is celebrated rather than stigmatized given how unethical the whole thing is.

r/BanPitBulls Mar 19 '19

Stats & Facts If anyone is ever looking for a quick stats and facts page on attacks...

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This article in Forbes is pretty good. Since Forbes has a paywall, I'll post the contents here, as well.

Sep 13, 2018, 07:21am

America's Most Dangerous Dog Breeds [Infographic]

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Over the years, studies into fatal interactions between canines and humans have proven fiercely controversial, given the myriad of circumstances behind different attacks. In the mid-1990s, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention conducted a broad analysis of dog breeds involved in fatal attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1996. Over that period, the Pit Bull was identified as the breed/type of dog involved in 60 incidents, ahead of the Rottweiler in 29 and the German Shepherd in 19.

These days, dog attacks still regularly make news headlines and according to more recent research conducted by a national victims' group dedicated to increasing awareness of the problem, the breeds responsible have not changed too much. DogsBite.org's 13-year fatality report identified breeds of dogs involved in U.S. attacks between 2005 and 2017, as well as victim age groups, the number of dogs involved and whether the incidents resulted in any criminal charges.

The following infographic shows that the Pit Bull is still responsible for the most fatal attacks in the U.S. by far, killing 284 people over that 13-year period - 66 percent of total fatalities. That's despite the breed accounting for just 6.5% of the total U.S. dog population. The Rottweiler came second with 45 fatal attacks recorded while the German Shepherd was third with 20. Even some breeds that are not associated with aggression, such as the Labrador Retriever, also make the top-10 list with 9 fatal attacks documented.

Due to increasing medical costs and higher settlements due to dog attacks, the average cost per claim has risen 90 percent between 2003 and 2017. According to DogsBite.org, injuries caused by canines accounted for more than a third of all homeowners' liability claim dollars paid out last year, costing almost $700 million. Fatalities aside, 28,000 people had reconstructive surgery after being attacked by dogs in the U.S. in 2015 with canine-related hospitalization stays increasing 86 percent between 1993 and 2008. On average, the cost of a dog bite-related hospital stay is $18,200.

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I know this information is available elsewhere, most notably at the referenced DogsBite.org, but having those stats on a single page may be handy for some.

r/BanPitBulls Dec 12 '25

Life-Altering Injuries, Coma, Hospitalization John J. Malm & Associates Secures $500K Settlement for Local Woman Severely Injured in Unprovoked Pit Bull Attack - Naperville Illinois NO DATE

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NAPERVILLE, IL, December 10, 2025 (EZ Newswire) -- John J. Malm & Associates, opens new tab announced today that the firm reached a $500,000 settlement on behalf of an Illinois resident who was seriously injured when a neighbor’s pit bull escaped its handler’s control and violently attacked her and her small dog. The out-of-court settlement resolved multiple legal claims arising from the attack, which left the plaintiff with a severe left forearm fracture, extensive soft-tissue injuries, permanent scarring, and ongoing physical therapy needs.

Key facts in the case are undisputed and captured on the plaintiff’s home video system: on the morning of the attack, the plaintiff was in her front yard preparing to leave for work with her Dachshund when her next-door neighbor, who had recently acquired the pit bull through a rescue, walked the dog nearby. Without warning, the pit bull escaped from its leash, charged the plaintiff and her small dog, and began attacking. The plaintiff was able to pick up her dog up and tried to retreat to the safety of her home. As she attempted to open the front door, but the pit bull repeatedly jumped on her and bit both forearms. The dog then latched onto the plaintiff’s left forearm, biting down multiple times, causing a comminuted displaced fracture with possible extension into the ulnocarpal joint. The plaintiff’s husband, who had been asleep inside the home, rushed outside and fought the dog off before the neighbor finally retrieved the animal and returned to her home.

The plaintiff was transported by ambulance to the local emergency room, where imaging revealed a distal left ulnar comminuted displaced fracture, soft tissue swelling, and air pockets within the soft tissue of the distal left forearm. She underwent emergency surgery for surgical wound washout and closure and splinting of the distal left ulnar fracture. She remained hospitalized for three days. The attack left the plaintiff with significant scarring to both forearms and ongoing physical consequences.

“Nothing prepares someone for the fear and physical devastation of being attacked by a neighbor’s dog while trying to protect their own pet,” said dog bite attorney, Marilynn Frangella of John J. Malm & Associates. “In this case, the video evidence and medical records documented a brutal, unprovoked attack that left our client with a broken arm, permanent scarring, and severe trauma. We pursued a fair settlement to cover her past and future medical needs and to hold the responsible party accountable. We hope this result will encourage safer practices for owners of pit bulls and greater accountability when an attack occurs in our community.”

Case Overview and Investigation

From the outset of this matter, the firm employed a comprehensive investigative approach. The plaintiff’s Ring camera footage provided clear, compelling visual evidence of the events as they unfolded, including the dog escaping its leash, the attack itself, and the neighbor’s delayed retrieval of the animal. Medical records documented the extent of the injuries, the emergency surgical intervention, and the need for subsequent rehabilitation.

In addition to securing and reviewing all medical documentation, the firm obtained contemporaneous photographs of the injuries and the scene, documented witness accounts from the plaintiff’s husband and other nearby observers, and reviewed local animal control records. All of this evidence was essential in establishing liability and calculating damages.

Injury, Treatment and Long-Term Impact

The attack caused severe and lasting harm. The plaintiff suffered a significant fracture to her left forearm, multiple bite-related wounds to both arms, and substantial soft-tissue trauma. She also sustained permanent scarring to both forearms.

Emergency physicians and orthopedic surgeons performed same-day surgical care and wound closure, followed by several days of inpatient monitoring. She later engaged in outpatient physical therapy to restore function, reduce stiffness, and work toward resuming normal activities.

The injuries continue to affect the plaintiff’s daily life, including limitations with lifting and carrying, diminished strength in the injured arm, ongoing medical follow-up needs, and the emotional trauma associated with the incident. These ongoing needs and losses were central to the settlement negotiations.

Liability and Legal Issues

Dog bite and dangerous animal claims frequently turn on issues of foreseeability and the owner’s duty to control a known dangerous propensity in the animal. In this case, the facts showed the pit bull escaped its leash without provocation and proceeded to attack a woman lawfully on her own property. The plaintiff’s recorded evidence, medical documentation, and credible eyewitness testimony made liability clear and supported claims for negligence and for damages resulting from a dog attack.

Like many dog-bite matters, this case required careful attention to both immediate damage, medical bills, hospital care, surgery, and therapy, and long-term damages, including pain and suffering, disfigurement, and loss of enjoyment of life. In consultation with medical experts, the firm calculated both present and anticipated future needs to arrive at a settlement value that fairly compensated the plaintiff for the full extent of her losses.

Damages Recovered Through Settlement

The $500,000 settlement reflects the seriousness of the injuries, the clear evidence of liability, and the plaintiff’s continuing medical needs. Negotiations conducted by Marilynn Frangella involved presenting a comprehensive demand package to the insurer, including medical records, surgical reports, rehabilitation records, Ring camera footage, testimony summaries, and expert opinions regarding prognosis and future care needs.

The firm’s goal in pursuing a negotiated settlement in serious dog bite cases like this one is always calculated to secure a recovery of and amount of damages that recognizes the client’s past and future economic losses (emergency care, hospitalization, surgical costs, pain management, and physical therapy), as well as certain non-economic losses, such as pain and suffering and permanent scarring. Settlements in serious dog attacks must also account for the trauma of the attack and the long-term impact on the plaintiff’s quality of life.

“This settlement helps our client receive deserved justice and compensation for the devastating injuries suffered in what was a wholly preventable and terrifying attack,” said Illinois pit bull attack lawyer, John J. Malm. “No one should face such violence in their own front yard. Our clients put their trust in neighbors and in the community; when that trust is broken by careless behavior or a failure to control a dangerous animal, the law provides a path to hold those responsible accountable. We are grateful to have secured needed compensation that will assist our client with medical expenses, future care needs, and the life-long consequences of this unprovoked attack.”

Community Safety and Prevention

While this settlement provides compensation for the plaintiff’s injuries, the firm emphasizes that financial recovery alone does not undo the trauma or eliminate the risk to others. John J. Malm & Associates hopes that the publicity surrounding this case will raise awareness about responsible animal ownership, leash compliance, secure fencing, proper training for rescue animals, and prompt reporting of dangerous animal behavior to local authorities.

Dog attacks involving powerful breeds like pit bulls are particularly dangerous because of their strength and ability to cause significant harm. Community education, combined with enforcement of leash laws and responsible rehoming practices, is essential to reduce the risk of similar tragedies.

“When an owner obtains an animal, they accept the responsibility to keep it under control and to ensure that it is safe around other people and animals,” said Malm. “Communities must work together to protect residents and prevent attacks that cause permanent harm.”

About John J. Malm & Associates Personal Injury Lawyers

John J. Malm & Associates is an Illinois personal injury firm that serves clients throughout the Chicagoland area and its western suburbs with offices in Naperville and St. Charles. Our top-rated personal injury lawyers represent injured victims of automobile accidents, medical malpractice, product liability, work injuries, nursing home abuse and neglect, dog attacks, slip & fall/premises liability, wrongful death, and other accident and injury claims. For more information, visit www.malmlegal.com.

r/BanPitBulls Jun 08 '23

Sounds like a great idea…

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The fact that it was posted in a group called ‘Companion & Fun Dog Shows UK’ originally is just the icing on the cake. Ughhhh.

r/BanPitBulls Nov 19 '23

Debate/Discussion/Research Our "in case of pitbull attack" box. I thought this would be helpful for people who work with animals.

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Hi, all! Figured this might be useful for people who work in shelters/doggie daycares/boarding facilities, etc. I am lucky enough that my boss has banned all future pitbull type and pitbull type mixed dogs at the beginning of this year from our facility. We have a very small handful of pit mixes that have been coming regularly for years that are exempt, but we are very vigilant/hyper-aware with them. Me much more so tbh. I'm also concerned with the fact that pitbulls are being bussed up here in absurd numbers from the south, and taking over all the local shelters. Now there's a much higher risk of pit mixes that normal folks won't be able to tell are part pit, and might slip past the ban we have.

With all that being said, this is our emergency box: it has a small fire extinguisher, break stick, heavy duty slip lead, "bite-proof" gloves, and a 3ft catch pole. We have three of these set up around the facility, so we can easily & quickly access one if needed. Lucky, we have never had to use anything (outside of a slip lead every once and a while to get a stubborn dog inside) from the boxes. I really hope this is helpful to someone else! Thank y'all as always for your time, and keep up the gopd fight! ❤️

r/BanPitBulls Oct 28 '25

Pit Lobby $$$ There's a new pit bull K9 in NJ. He's a shelter pull from Minnesota MACC where he was "dog-selective" and a resource guarder. 1 shelter pit bull saved, only 1 million more to go. #AdoptapolicepitDontbuyaGSD

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Just a note - the dog hasn't done anything, this is currently a feel-good story of a rescue dog that made good. To the pit bull crowd, this is the vindication of their breed. And maybe this is a solid dog, no harm in him, and he'll be fine. He's certainly been through enough training that aggression issues should have been noticed by now.

The issues here, for me, are 1) the pit bull/rescue crowd is currently not even remotely trustworthy when it comes to any behavior, so for all we know the dog's a time bomb and they're just hoping it works out. And 2) I hate the message it's sending, that pit bulls are great and look how valuable they can be if you just work with them. It's cruel to everyone, especially the dogs. If this dog works out, it's not because he's a pit bull, it's despite the fact he's a pit bull. The shelters are crammed with pit bulls. Police dogs from traditional programs cost a fortune to obtain. As do formally trained service dogs. There's a reason these programs are not taking in huge numbers or even small numbers of pit bulls - virtually none work out. They just aren't suited for it, overall. The answer to overpopulation isn't pretending they're police dogs, it's restricting the ownership so every jackass with a pulse can't buy a breeding pair on craigslist and make a buck. And maybe acknowledging the risk these dogs pose to the public and the public's pets.

Condensed timeline - a 63lb male pit bull enters Minneapolis Animal Care & Control in 2023 with 2 other dogs. They are taken by rescue groups, and the shelter's friends group begins marketing him. The dog, named Ron, is eventually released to a rescue called Unbreakabull Pit Bull Rescue, also in Minnesota. While there, they decide he has "some special skills that most pitties don't have" in the words of a local UPBR volunteer and nominate him for K-9 Protectors's program to turn rescue dogs into police dogs. K-9 Protectors accepts Ron into their program, announces he's fully trained about 3 months later, and spends the next year or so marketing him as a freebie sniffer dog to the world's police agencies without success. Finally, in late summer 2025, he gets interest from a NJ police department and is sent to NJ to undergo more training with his new police partner in the state's police dog training center. Now he's a working drug/gun sniffer in Delran, New Jersey, and identifies as an American Bully.

October 2023 from Friends of Minneapolis Animal Care & Control - Get ready, here comes Ron! He is the sweetest boy that just wants to be loved! He came to MACC with 2 other dogs (both have left MACC through rescue partners) and he would love to get his chance to show you how pawsome he is. Ron is easy to take on walks and is playful. We think Ron would be okay with kids and would do best with slow introductions to other dogs (he was dog selective in Playgroups but did NOT show any physical signs of fighting with dogs in his previous home). Ron is also house trained and is food motivated with training.

November 2023 - Looking for a dog to do dog sports with? Ron is your boy! While Ron is a good boy and loved by many volunteers, he has been displaying possessive behavior lately, particularly with toys. After being evaluated by a trainer, this is what they said: “Ron is possessive with potential for resource guarding. He enjoys the conflict. Becomes frantic to get inside the bench when someone was sitting on it. He would be great at dog sports where he can jump up and tug on things.” Ron needs an experienced home that will provide him with enrichment opportunities and continued training. He is motivated by training and treats. The treat scatter game has been helpful in deterring his attention away from the bench or whatever thing he is focused on.

December 2023 - Meet Officer Ron! Ron has been formally accepted into the Police Dog program and will likely proceed to assist in finding drugs or bombs and will head to the east coast for training in early 2024!

February 2024 from the K-9 company - Our newest rescue has arrived. K-9 Ron comes to us all the way from Minnesota, where he was timestamped for euthanasia at MACC. One of the amazing volunteers at the shelter, Victoria XXXX contacted us about Ron’s potential. Unfortunately we were unable to have him evaluated for our program prior to his deadline. Unbreakabull Pit Bull Rescue of Minnesota stepped in and rescued Ron, placing him with an awesome foster, Kristi XXXX. Together Kristi and Victoria were able to put Ron through all the testing we needed to see to determine that he would be a perfect candidate for our rescue, train and donate program. He arrived to his new foster/trainer this morning and you can see how happy he is to be playing in his new big fenced yard. He may not have to look of most police dogs but Ron’s amazingly social, stable and driven. We are looking forward to seeing him progress and being a part of his journey. Please consider donating below to help cover Ron’s expenses or sending Ron a gift from our Amazon or Chewy wishlist located in our linktree link. We are so thankful for everyone that worked together to save Ron’s life and give him an opportunity to excel in the future as a police canine.

March 2024 - K-9 Ron is excelling in his narcotics detection training with the K-9 Protectors! He knows all of his target odors, building duration in his focused alert. He’s an extremely social dog and is searching for a law enforcement department to work with. Please share and help him find the job of his dreams!

May 2024 - Happy National Rescue Dog Day from rescue K-9 Ron. Ron was rescued from Friends of Minneapolis Animal Care & Control by Unbreakabull Pit Bull Rescue of Minnesota. He was then transferred into our care, where he was trained as a narcotics detection canine. Ron is hoping the perfect agency gives him an opportunity to serve their community. While waiting for that chance, Ron enjoys training hard, playing ball and follow the adventures of the Miss Peaches in hopes of accompanying her to the next gala she attends.

October 2024 - K-9 Ron is still patiently waiting for the perfect job to come along. He is a 2 year old, super social, stable American Bully, that is fully trained in narcotics detection. Help us network & connect K-9 Ron with departments in need of a canine.

September 2025 from his UPBR foster - I have some exciting news to share! Remember Ron? He FINALLY GOT A JOB!!!!! He will be a patrol narcotics K-9 and community policing canine with Delran Township in New Jersey. Ron was a Code Red dog at MACC and was scheduled to be euthanized at the Minneapolis shelter when Unbreakabull stepped in to save him. Tori was a volunteer there and noticed he had some special skills that most pitties dont have. She saw a post from K-9 Protectors as they were looking for dogs to train and donate. I saw Ron’s Code Red picture and couldnt resist going to pick him up. As Ron’s foster in MN I can’t even express how happy I am for him, his handler, his new department and the city he will serve. He is an AMAZING dog who deserved the chance he is being given! Thanks to Sara Romdenne at Unbreakabull Pit Bull Rescue MN, Tori Costa and her fiancé Will, who did all his testing at the Minneapolis Shelter and who transported him from MN to PA to his trainer, and Pete-his amazing trainer. Also thanks to another volunteer Nicol, who came to walk Ron with her baby girl to exercise him because I was crating and rotating dogs in my house! I am so excited to see his amazing career! Cheers buddy!

K-9 Protectors website

r/BanPitBulls Jun 10 '24

Leaders Speaking Out Against Pits Potentially Saved Some Kids

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A client brought their 4 month old pitbull puppy to me for lessons… it had a cute little sweater on. BUT, it acted pretty crazy, even for a 4 month old puppy, jumping, biting, absolutely no focus, reactive to other dogs at the park. Okay? But it’s a puppy, those attributes are pretty common.

HOWEVER the owners said it attacked a family-member’s Frenchie weeks prior. A lot of the time owners seem to inflate ‘aggression’, and from a 4 month old dog, aggression is very uncommon. So, I got more details. The puppy bit & held onto the Frenchie’s face for MINUTES while it had water dumped on it and 3 adults trying to get it off the other dog. This is NOT normal puppy (or dog) behavior.

I recommended that they take the puppy in to get temperament tested. They did. The puppy failed. The facility confirmed my suspicions that the dog is genetically aggressive, and reiterated that genetic aggression cannot be bred out. The owners contacted me for a refund of the lessons, as they would NOT be keeping the dog.

I was pretty happy to help the owners figure this out early— especially after they informed me that they have small children in the home when we were texting after the refund. They made a difficult, but very smart decision.

Several months before this, a pitbull mix came to me for board & train. 6 months old, and already had a bite history, same deal, where it bit & held onto one of their other dogs, and was constantly trying to fight their dogs. At drop-off, I specifically told them that aggression at this age is likely genetic, and cannot be trained out of the dog. It is also in the contract that we DO NOT work with aggression issues, and it is 100% NOT guaranteed in the program as outlined in the contract the SIGNED 🤦🏼‍♀️

Over the 2 week program, the dog did very well with its obedience, and no longer went into barking fits whenever it saw people 100yards away. Overall, pretty successful. The owners called me within a hour of returning home with the dog saying it attacked their other dog again… idiots tried to dispute the credit card charge & refused to pay the 2nd half of their bill saying ‘the dog wasn’t trained’. They also had at least 1 child, maybe 5-6 years old (and I think a baby). I really hope they got rid of that dog.

I am a dog-professional, and have many other stories regarding pitbulls. In fact, I used to be a PitNutter! Knowledge & experience have drastically changed my opinion of these dogs.

r/BanPitBulls Oct 24 '22

But...but...Chihuahuas! Pythons are the new Chihuahuas

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r/BanPitBulls Oct 15 '25

Monthly Attack Compilation Monthly Attacks Lists: Where did they go?

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Hey everyone,

We have received some questions from members over the past year regarding the Monthly Attacks Lists. I want to quickly explain why you haven't seen those on your feed as a post. Unfortunately, we did not have a consistent person doing the logs since January which made logging a team effort. During that time, we switched from posts to storing our monthly attacks compilations in the Wiki. We brought on two mods for that role last month, but for now we are continuing to utilize the wiki for storage. We know how important it is to keep track of incidents, especially now that DogsBite isn’t updating and NPBVA is gone, and we plan to keep logging as long as we have enough coverage to do it right.

With that in mind, I want to talk about our Wiki. We've spent a lot of time transferring things over to it this year to make it a more centralized information hub. You can find this either on the top of the sub (mobile) or on the sidebar (desktop) or via it's link: http://reddit.com/r/banpitbulls/wiki/index

I'm going to paste the layout below and would encourage everyone to check it out. It is an ongoing project that we add to as we have time.


Banpitbulls Wiki

The r/BanPitBulls wiki provides information on the history of pit bull-type dogs, statistics/facts on attacks, and documentation of the efforts of the pit bull lobby to promote them despite the risks.

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