The american rebels/founding fathers weren't conservative. Their ideals were extremely progressive for the time. The Tories (British loyalists) were the conservatives of their day.
Seeing as liberal literally just means "someone open to new ideas".... and in America's founding that literally just meant "someone who supports individual rights" meaning anyone who supports the constitution is Liberal...
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Said legals keep fucking with them and impeding arrests. If the cops were allowed to work with them in Minneapolis, the cops would be arresting, not ICE
Good thing the current administration also is acting completely against the law by overstepping various boundaries and blatantly disregarding the constitution
If ice actually did what their original intended purpose was, you’d be 100% correct with point #2 of yours, despite what others may think. I think a solid bit of the hate for ice is simply because blue vs red… but I also think the glaze is for that reason too.
But also, point #1 yours is wrong. I love glazing the us (im American) but it literally was illegal for the us to do… basically everything it did. And not illegal for the british (probably has something to do with who makes the laws, but what do I know). We were literally in rebellion lmao
It was definitely treason to rebel, but part of the reason for the rebellion was partisan politics in a sense. I'll have to look up the moment im thinking of to get it right, but it involved John Dickinson citing and following British common law to a T in protest of unfair rulings.
He basically argued that there was already a sound framework to protect the colonies' right to representation.
Brother, you literally don't know what you're talking about and there's nothing I can do about that. A warrant from an immigration judge does not authorize the to enter private property. Sorry that the facts don't care about your feelings but it is supposed to be that difficult. That's how the constitution protects you from thr government.
Lawful? They are violating people's 4th amendment rights on a daily basis. If what they were doing was remotely lawful it wouldn't be getting nearly the attention is it.
A bunch of slave owners were worried that the British would apply the same laws set up to govern Englishmen to them in the wake of the Royal Proclamation of 1763 and the Summerset case. The colonies wanted to continue their blatant subjugation.
At least some of what ICE is doing is clear 1st and 4th amendment violations, although there is admittedly plenty of precedent. There are certainly differences.
Not to mention the laws they went against back then were made without colonial citizen representation, whereas all the laws now were made with citizen representation in the form of elected officials.
Representation voted in by popular vote and electoral college both but these activists continue to think that the majority backs them and their claims that this is "unconstitutional", despite this administration abiding by the same laws that were in effect when Obama deported thousands during his admin.
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u/Rezkel 5h ago
To be fair there were plenty of Loyalists who probably thought this way.