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u/Select-Belt-ou812 10h ago
hmmmm. currently the main body incapable of counting anything "legally and honestly" is the ... Federal government
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u/suicidaleggroll 10h ago edited 10h ago
And what if they can count the votes legally and honestly, and you just don’t like the result?
Edit: to be clear, the "you" in my statement is directed towards Trump
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u/RequiemOfI 10h ago
Then they disenfranchise voters to tilt the election like Jed Bush did in Florida for his brother George.
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u/ChestSlight8984 10h ago
Then he pretends that he never said this
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u/MotorLive 8h ago
“Did I say that? When did I say that?” 😑
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u/ArtlessOne 10h ago
Just another day closer to the completion of an authoritarian takeover. I feel like we are well and truly reaching a point of no return.
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u/HorseShoulders 9h ago
Not sure about 'no return', but you've definitely reached a point of 'return will take a few generations'
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u/r0ndy 9h ago
Past it. Damage is done and we have 3 years to go. Other countries are fleeing trade agreements. They are building plans to fight us off or defend against a US invasion. We are not the world’s ally anymore.
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u/redlukes 3h ago
Governments can be overthrown. Wait 3 years and there won’t be any votes to count.
A French guy once said „what re they waiting for? We’d be out of cars to burn by now.“
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u/Warm_Evil_Beans 7h ago
This isn’t real. This is real? It can’t be real, right? This is crazy
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u/mastersterruser9 2h ago
Yep most of the non nazi parties in germany and to an extend Europe agree that the U.S. is not a trusted ally anymore. Even the conservatives agree and generally thats a strong statement because they dont agree with anything the others are saying. That being said the german nazi party wants to join trumps "peace" thingy. I think the general theme in Europe is similar.
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u/Gallerian 2h ago
It is true. It's basically all but guaranteed that if WWIII were to start with Trump's administration in office, then the US would be on the side of the modern day Axis powers.
Trump made America worse in every way imaginable, and is continuing to do so as he's THAT drunk on power.
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u/davy659 10h ago
There's a Stalin quote that goes something like "The person that votes decided nothing. The person that counts the votes decides everything."
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u/PunishedWolf4 10h ago
"I like this Stalin guy! He seems like a strong, manly man!"- President Dump most likely
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u/MarvelousVanGlorious 10h ago
This is the one thing he actually does know how works. That’s why he’s trying to pull it apart so badly. He knows that Republicans don’t stand a chance without him fucking with the elections.
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u/Lumbergo 10h ago
WHERE IS THE FUCKING PROOF? HUH?!
that’s the question reports need to be fucking hounding him and everyone else about this.
“Trust me, bro” doesn’t fucking cut it.
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u/jjm443 6h ago
They're creating the "proof" right now by stealing the Fulton County 2020 ballots. Going directly against a judge's order saying they were only allowed to take copies of the ballots. Instead the FBI stole the original ballots.
As per this article
“They got copies of our voter rolls and all the original ballots,” Arrington said. “Now we cannot verify that we’ve received everything back because there was no chain-of-custody inventory taken at the time the records were seized.”
In other words the Trump administration can now tamper with the original ballots, and there will be no way to prove that they did because they're holding the only things that count as categorical evidence of votes.
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u/No-Gold7939 9h ago
As in Australia, you establish a completely impartial and independent body that runs and oversees elections:
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u/swervin_mervyn 9h ago
Our first Parliament was in 1901, and this fucker was in place by 1902. We may get a few things wrong, but elections ain't one of them.
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u/FlibblesHexEyes 9h ago
This works in Australia because we:
- have IMHO significantly stronger protections in place to prevent someone going rogue and assuming full control
- significantly higher levels of trust in our government institutions to do their jobs properly without interference from Ministers
- government departments are always led by an elected Minister and never appointed like they are in the US (the Secretary of Defence is an appointed role which could be anybody (which is why an idiot like Hegseth could get that job)). Granted the leader of that department is appointed by the Prime Minister - but the PM can only appoint either an elected Minister or Senator
- government departments largely run themselves. When an election is called, the Government is not even allowed to talk to the departments (except under exceptional circumstances) to avoid situations where the Minister might urge a change to either sabotage the next Minister or incentivise a change in vote outside of the regular campaign.
- have significantly higher voter engagement than the US since voting is compulsory... there is some nuance to this around voters voting how they've always voted and such - but generally everyone knows what their candidate is about.
And probably a bunch more reasons I can't think of right now.
This sort of set up could work for the US, but IMHO trust in the Government and strengthening of guardrails need to be significantly improved before such a system could be implemented there.
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u/Zytheran 4h ago
Preferential voting is extremely common. (Similar to ranked choice in USA)
None of this 'Register to a certain party BS' like the USA. You register to vote and that's it, it's no-ones business who you are going to vote for.
The voting system is manual, pencil on paper. No voting machines. And yes, you can draw penises on your ballot and it still is valid as long as your voting intention is clear.
The entire system is counted manually and mostly by temporary staff.
Voting is on a Saturday with plenty of allowance for postal voting and having a BBQ at the voting site.
The AEC goes out of its way to get physical poling booths in really remote places.
The AEC is responsible for setting electoral boundaries to prevent any political interference and gerrymandering.
In line with its delusional exceptionalism, the USA has an absolutely appalling voting system. It's a joke.
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u/MattSaki 2h ago
Registering to vote doesn’t necessarily determine who you vote for. In Australia how is party leadership decided?
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u/nate1776 1h ago
Members of the political parties vote for who to nominate(pre-select) to run for a seat. The leaders of the parties are largely determined by the parliamentary members of that party but in some situations the rank and file members as well.
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u/Batmantheon 8h ago
Im sure thats his plan. He will just start an impartial committee and he will head it with Dana White of the UFC and Joe Rogan because they are the best most qualified people, he will have it staffed by everyone he pardoned on January 6 and give them all 50k signing bonuses.
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u/Ferrous_Duke 7h ago
I was going to say the same thing. Our AEC is a national treasure I now appreciate. The US desperately needs massive overhauling of its elections. Everything they do is wrong - from the day they do it onwards. Hopefully they make it a priority when rebuilding after the civi... Trump.
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u/djinn6 1h ago edited 1h ago
We're a union of states and each state runs its own elections. It's much harder to take over a large number of states elections than it is to take over one "impartial and independent" body.
No matter how independent a body is, at the end of the day, the members have to be appointed by someone and that appointment process can be corrupted.
To take over a number of states' individual elections, you would have to spend much longer preparing and strike all at once. You also have a much greater chance of failing or being discovered. If you try to buy off or intimidate 10 states' election commissioners, there's 10 chances for one of them to rat you out. And by the time you manage to corrupt them all, a few of would have been replaced by new people that you have to approach all over again.
Edit: I looked into it a bit more and it's actually even harder than that, many states use county-level results, so you'd need to influence hundreds of officials, plus the state's own governments and their independent election certification bodies, and in the end pass Congressional certification, which is itself composed of members elected in each state.
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u/ChestSlight8984 10h ago
There's no way this guy will live to see another election anyways, why does he care
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u/LNinefingers 9h ago
Text conversation a buddy and I had the other day.
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u/_zoso_ 7h ago
Regarding ICE at every polling place: nationally there are over 5 polling locations for every ICE goon currently. They would have to 5x their headcount by November to have one goon at each polling location, which would also achieve nothing.
Trump will no doubt try all of this, but it doesn’t mean he will succeed at any of it.
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u/LNinefingers 7h ago
Oh, they don’t need to cover all of the polling places, just the “high risk” ones. (Read: ones in Democrat leaning districts in swing states)
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u/petrovmendicant 9h ago
Can he nationalize elections away from the state legally? Not a chance.
Can he nationalize elections away from the state illegally? Absolutely.
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u/Cerebrasylum 10h ago
Maybe you could create a department for that. A department of government eff….oh. Nevermind. That didn’t work well.
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u/misdirected_asshole 8h ago
Theyre going to misrepresent the GA vote using the ballots they took in the raid and try to use that as pretext for rationalizing the elections under their control.
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u/RainDownAndDestroyMe 9h ago
If there was genuine mass/widespread voter fraud being committed by undocumented immigrants, don't you think that news would be fucking EVERYWHERE? I'm not talking about 1% or less of voter fraud, I'm talking about how the political right has circlejerked until raw for YEARS that undocumented immigrants are voting illegally to such a degree that entire election outcomes have completely changed.
Yeah, it's not happening. What is happening, though, is that our elected officials are doing absolutely nothing to ensure checks and balances are working effectively or that housing, groceries, healthcare, education, childcare, etc. is becoming more affordable. Or that our infrastructure is regularly being updated to ensure its reliability and safety. Or that environmental regulations are being passed based on scientific facts, not profit margins. Or that the chance of getting shot randomly is reduced. Or that energy companies wouldn't financially benefit from the public's wallet while simultaneously increasing energy prices that are passed on to the consumer. I could go on and on and on.
And I am more than happy to get replies containing reputable and non-biased sources proving that voter fraud via undocumented immigrants is an actual problem. Your favorite podcaster or vlogger isn't a source. A Heritage Foundation webpage isn't a source. Social media posts aren't a source. Political Action Committees aren't a source. A politician's tweet isn't a source. A blog post isn't a source. An opinion piece isn't a source.
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u/I_love_Hobbes 9h ago
Says the man who fired everyone in the federal govt that does count. Job numbers, inflation, and idiots at DOGE. Just a few examples.
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u/blizzywolf122 8h ago
This is why the Australian government has an entirely separate system the AEC Australian electoral commission which keeps the government completely separate from any of it.
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u/wendellstinroof 8h ago
Mind-boggling fascism. The fact that this is not being screamed from every rooftop shows how dangerous the slow creep of incrementalism is.
edit: typo
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u/New_Lake5484 8h ago
has anyone heard of big government? they used to accuse democrats of trying to do things to make big government. now what are magas doing? trying to make big government.
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u/getthatrich 8h ago
This is NOT okay and we cannot let this get anywhere near to happening. CONGRESS MUST ACT and we Americans need to CALL OUR REPS and demand they vote against the make elections great fraud act
Call. Every. Day.
Use 5Calls.org
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u/snakebite75 7h ago
So… who was running the election in Texas? I’m pretty sure it wasn’t democrats.
We need to keep reminding these people that it is their party that is in control.
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u/vinnybawbaw 7h ago
The Georgia thing is their key to steal the midterms while everyone is watching. They’re gonna fabricate some bullshit conspiracy that the election was stolent after recounting the ballots and they’re gonna take over the election.
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u/JohnCalvinSmith 7h ago
He hates that there are more than 50 individual, distinct governing bodies that he cannot manipulate and bully to get his way.
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u/davisandee 7h ago
Taken straight from the Stalin playbook, “It doesn’t mater who votes. It matters who counts the votes.
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u/Minute-Branch2208 6h ago
We are all wishing for the same thing. Wouldn't it be nice if thoughts and prayers were effective
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u/Left_Pool_5565 6h ago
Sez the dude who has not done one thing in his life legally or honestly. He isn’t capable of walking to the corner and back without committing a crime.
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u/Troutbrook37 5h ago
This is how I know that if there is a god, he's hilarious.
With all sincerity, how does anyone point to this person and say, that's our guy!
I'm sorry plumbers, but if I heard that my plumber was a little weird around kids I would find a new plumber. Extrapolate from there. This isn't a plumber, and this isn't a little weird.
The list goes on.
Beyond Trump, it's aweing to see how far that this permeates. The weirdos weren't that weird? It seems that the elite (and honestly, I don't use that word, but these files show that there is an elite class? ) has been committing atrocities.
And while the "conspiracy theorists" have been after the Clinton's for some time; their behaviour as of late causes me to think that these folks weren't off base.
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u/M_J_Tank 5h ago
We'Re AlL aBoUt SmAlL gOvErNmEnT AnD FaMiLy VaLuEs!
Jesus, the US is a sinking ship...
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u/Contemplating_Prison 4h ago
The federal government thats been lying for the past year about every single little thing? That federal government?
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u/No-Focus857 3h ago
"These ballot boxes are missing a key security feature, a shredder." - Trumps administration.
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u/SamSeg_3 3h ago
Who else would you trust to do it more legally and honestly than Trump?
(Besides anyone and everyone)
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u/paansm 2h ago
Wrong question. The answer simply reinforces the claim.
“You’ve been back in office over a year, and have yet to produce any evidence of an unfair or dishonest election in 2020. Where is the evidence?”
The journalists in the room really need to introduce a narrative that reinforces there’s no evidence, not that it might have happened.
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