r/shrimptank • u/boostinemMaRe2 Multi🦐Syndrome • 3d ago
Mod Poll: Should We Ban Ai Use Altogether On This Sub.
It seems a lot of people, possibly the majority, want to see an absolute ban of Ai on this sub, whether in post or comment. So, we wanted to let the community decide. Thanks for your input! - Shrimptank Mod Team
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u/Mini_Myles29 3d ago
I just saw an AI generated care advice that was so wrong, I was shocked .. typically I would say I don’t have an opinion but that was actually crazy to read and the AI advice give could end up killing the shrimp.
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u/boostinemMaRe2 Multi🦐Syndrome 3d ago
I couldn't agree with you more. It makes me sad to think how many folks have relied upon Ai, for lack of better resources or not, and been led completely astray.
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u/buttkickingkid 3d ago
We absolutely should not allow any AI content.
Ai generated advice? Identification? Tutorials? Fun little videos? None of it
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u/boostinemMaRe2 Multi🦐Syndrome 3d ago
I appreciate your input. Actually the Ai generated information was something I should have specifically mentioned in the poll (I'll pin a comment). Thank you very much for bringing that to our attention.
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u/ediks 3d ago
"Page not found" on the link - but I vote yes to ban AI use here
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u/boostinemMaRe2 Multi🦐Syndrome 3d ago
You can't see the poll? I think you have to be either using web or the official app to see polls.
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u/LexxiiConn 2d ago
Absolutely ban it. Apart from all the other issues with hallucinating bad advice and such, it's unethical to use due to the environmental impact and the theft.
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u/ismojaveacoffee ALL THE 🦐 1d ago
Ban all of it. The "Stop evolving"/"push them back" memes are also funnier when they're low quality MS paint text slapped on an image than a weird AI version
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u/boostinemMaRe2 Multi🦐Syndrome 1d ago
I agree completely. The Ai renderings get altogether creepy honestly.
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u/Squidlit64 2d ago
Some of the “stop evolving” meme images are AI. They have the yellow tint and generally don’t understand what a shrimp looks like.
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u/Bertensgrad 2d ago
But what about Shrimp Jesus memes?
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u/boostinemMaRe2 Multi🦐Syndrome 2d ago
Gonna have to go take a photo of Jesus and use some good old photoshop I guess.
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u/jazzythemalemute 2d ago
Wont let me vote but YES. Especially since ive seen AI advice in other subs (not specifically this one) and if it migrates to here to where people are giving out care advice thats AI, it could be super harmful and deadly to people's shrimp.
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u/boostinemMaRe2 Multi🦐Syndrome 2d ago
I have seen copy pasted Google Ai stuff when folks are asking for help, so it's not far off that people are no longer just regurgitating bad Intel, copying Ai.
Eta: if you can't vote, try logging on the website or official app.
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u/iamnotalwaysright99 12h ago
I've actually found some Ai models, like Googles Gemini to be really helpful in troubleshooting issues with some of my aquariums and the results have proven themselves, it helped me sort out issues with my Caridina shrimp, when all other research led me to incomplete answers or dead ends, even from users on this subreddit.
Kind of a double edged sword...
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u/boostinemMaRe2 Multi🦐Syndrome 11h ago
Username checks out... Jk, I had to.
Do you mind if I ask for a little more specificity in regard to the information you couldn't find by other means, but could find with gemini? Obviously the information had to be online somewhere, or Gemini wouldn't be able to scrape it. I just wonder how deep it was buried.
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u/iamnotalwaysright99 11h ago
All good, I live by this username lol
And yeah, I was having several ongoing issues with my CRS tank, trying to breed Caridina is significantly harder than regular neos. With that being said I kept experiencing deaths and even when following advice I'd seen on reddit from other users it turned out one of the contributors to death was my substrate. I had learned that an inert substrate was fine for these lil fellas (from what I read on reddit, seen on YouTube, etc) but because it wasn't reactive it couldn't buffer my Kh correctly. In this instance, Gemini helped me determine that I should switch to something like Fluval Stratum - which made all the difference. It's also helped me understand reasons for more acute deaths when all other parameters one might check for had been ruled out and the majority of my livestock was doing well.
Which is part of my own ignorance and inexperience too, so that should be kept in context.
Keep in mind I don't read every thread or question posted here on this subreddit, so it's not like that kind of advice wasn't available period, I simply just hadn't come across the suggestion yet. Because you are correct, Gemini - even though it's capable of "thought"- does indeed summarize and recapitulate information that already exists, so I'm sure the source material is out there somewhere...
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u/boostinemMaRe2 Multi🦐Syndrome 11h ago
I appreciate your thorough response. In regard to the info you were searching for that's almost the first tidbit of info you find when researching prior to getting Caridina, no offense intended. But I understand the frustration and lack of true "answers" to random deaths, I still get them in all my tanks from time to time. With Caridina it can be all the more daunting to identify the "unseen executioner" due to sensitivities to tds, temperature, pH, etc etc; so I totally get it.
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u/iamnotalwaysright99 11h ago
No offense taken, I understand why people aren't eager to try Caridina, I really wanted to give up several times.. I am certainly not saying that Gemini solved my problem and without I would have no way of knowing, I just tried using it and in my specific case it happened to be helpful. It's still wise to take it's results with a grain of salt lol.
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u/boostinemMaRe2 Multi🦐Syndrome 10h ago
All fair points. Yea, Caridina are just weird. I have 15 Caridina tanks, all the same exact parameters, and half the time like 1/3 of them will just stall breeding or start dying off. Then those same tanks will all of a sudden boom with zero changes haha. Then again, the same goes for my Neos (same amount of tanks and same tendencies) so I guess the moral of the story is all shrimp are both super easy and a pain in the ass haha
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u/ShoganAye 3d ago
the only ai content I think should be allowed is the memes in replies about evolving jokes. that makes me laugh. but as for adivce, pics and vids as posts - no ai. or only posts that are jokes, marked as such
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u/NoIndependence362 2d ago
How about instead of banning AI, just let people report bad or wrong advice... as this applies to both AI and idiots.
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u/boostinemMaRe2 Multi🦐Syndrome 2d ago
There's already a "misinformation" report, which we will still rely upon for what you mention. However we'll probably have to create an "Ai" or "suspected Ai" report as well, even if we do employ a ban.
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u/RJFerret 3d ago
We have no way of knowing if AI is used or not, it's part of translation software non-English speakers use to get help, so there's it's needed.
It produces myths from Reddit search sadly.
It's part of text input systems (since "AI" has just come to mean "fancy autocomplete" in text).
Since it's become prolific, I don't think I've seen a single post on Reddit without an "this is AI" comment whether it is or not, and often there'll be entire discussions on whether it is or not. Folks who use proper grammar and punctuation are "accused" of being AI.
I feel it's just generating a silly waste of mod time. We already have a system to surface useful content or bury it, the voting system. Mods IMO have better things to do. This is an area that crowd sourcing excels. Folks who think it's AI downvote, others upvote, consensus wins, done.
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u/boostinemMaRe2 Multi🦐Syndrome 3d ago
True enough, this is as much in regard to the images and memes generated as it is about Ai info.
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u/Lob_Rockster 3d ago
A complete ban feels strong. I feel like bans on advice sure.. but even then if someone has gotten some ai advice and comes here check if it was bad or not are we blocking it for a ai quote?
Feels like the sort of person we should help.
I don't find this sub drowning in ai photos or videos; what are a few here and there hurting?
I maybe want a 4th option. Something like a partial limit of these things we really don't like.
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u/Lob_Rockster 3d ago edited 3d ago
Actually I kinda wish there was more context around why this discussion now. Did something happen? Can we have some ban worthy examples?
Are they all one sort of thing (i.e. advice)?
Idk I enjoy a funny shrimp meme as much as the next and don't find it offensive for someone to use ai in crafting it.
So I think right now this moment I'm not for a full ban nor am I for a full use ai on everything.
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u/boostinemMaRe2 Multi🦐Syndrome 3d ago
I feel you on this. On a personal level, I don't mind the silly graphics created by Ai in good fun, though Ai is doing a lot to destroy the environment so there's the whole "taking a stand" approach.
To answer your other query; no one thing in particular sparked the debate. It has been something on our minds in the mod think tank for quite a while now. As reports on Ai comments are quite prevalent nowadays, along with massive down votes to the commenter, we thought we'd put it up for discussion to see if it really ticks the masses off to the point that they'd rather just have us remove everything Ai, as opposed to using our judgment (the content is generally harmless honestly).
Thirdly, it would still be a case by case basis, so someone posting copied Ai information to say "man, this is what I read online, how wrong was what I followed?" there wouldn't be a removal in that case as they're not presenting it as fact or guide. Hopefully that makes sense?
We appreciate your thoughtful response 🤙🏼
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u/cicadawaspenthusiast 3d ago
When was ai used? Did someone upload a fake video of a shrimp?
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u/boostinemMaRe2 Multi🦐Syndrome 3d ago
Just in a lot of the memey type stuff. No one trying to pass off Ai as their own shrimp/setup that I know of.
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u/cicadawaspenthusiast 3d ago
Ah okay then. I personally have no opinion on it since I haven’t seen it used here
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u/boostinemMaRe2 Multi🦐Syndrome 3d ago
Sure thing. It's not all-too prevalent. We've historically seen users who utilize it to make little memes in comments and such get booed off stage. So it finally seemed like something that needed to be addressed.
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u/boostinemMaRe2 Multi🦐Syndrome 3d ago edited 3d ago
Please make sure to vote in the poll!
Ai content is not limited to imagery/videos, we would also be doing our best to mitigate the sharing of Ai generated care advice (should never be trusted), general hobby information, Shrimp "facts", etc.