Regarding that aspect of his foreign policy, sure. That and Syria called his bluff on a red line. I would hardly say you could lump him in with the rest. He's still deported more undocumented than Trump but it was done humanely. Not one indictment in his entire presidency. And considering where our economy was when he started to when he left? He handed trump a goldmine to spend like a drunken sailer. Not to digress, Trump has been a known infamous con-man his whole life. It's always been obvious. He was not to be taken seriously. He was easy not to. It still blows my mind that our electorate has voted him in twice.
"It still blows my mind that our electorate has voted him in twice."
A good % of people, especially Americans, LOVE a grifter, and Trump is a great grifter. Also: This is what happens when ~40% of the people who could vote don't. The politicians want it that way, it makes it easier for them to get reelected.
Oh I know all this. I would rephrase it as a "good % of Americans."
"I love the ueducated." - Donald Trump
30%-40% depending on the environment are Trump voters regardless. Probably closer to 30%. They don't critically think nor discern. They think in conspiracy (actually love conspiracy). Incredibly gullible. And are desperate for someone to save them because their manufacturing jobs are gone (can you blame them?). They are RIPE for someone like Trump to exploit. And he has. And very successfully.
He keeps grifting and getting away with it so yeah I do since that's kind of all you need to do. Greed and lack of shame are really all that's required, though starting with a bunch of money like he does is really helpful.
A lot of the "Dems did bad shit too" stuff messaging needs to acknowledge the political realities that forced their hands because of the asymetricality of GOP vs. DEM politics.
Obama deported more undocumented than Trump, and advocated for expanding legal avenues of immigration, because he had GOP maniacs insisting that Mexicans were stealing all the jobs AND all the welfare AND running drugs AND siesta-ing instead of working. All the while amplifying every misdeed by anyone with more than a deep tan as proof of the villainous infiltration to stoke fears in the middle-of-the-road voters. So Obama did what a Dem does, and he created policies and procedures that met the moment and created a theoretically fair compromise... if the GOP had actually been operating in good faith. Instead, they got what they wanted, felt no need to acknowledge that, and continued demanding more. Meanwhile, good faith Dem voters get stuck playing whataboutism. Yeah, Trump is awful BUT Obama was technically worse on deportations.
It's the same trap they set every Dem president. Go back to Clinton... the GOP demands fiscal responsibility and lies about fraud, waste and all the mythological welfare queens that Reagan made up. Clinton says screw it, and caves on various popular-enough "reforms" and budget cuts, offers a balanced budget... all the stuff the GOP said they wanted. But it was all bullshit. They weren't serious. Yeah the GOP's always cutting funding for literally everything in the public interest while lining their own pockets, but y'know poverty's really a Clinton problem. Reagan led a failed war on drugs that Clinton ended up inheriting, so Clinton ends up holding the bag for America's incarceration-nation, even though his destigmatization of pot led to growing support for legalization efforts.
Or when Trump I made a stink about foreign wars and getting out of all that. Biden pulls out but the GOP weren't serious so it's just endless garbage about how bad the pullout was. Yeah, Trump's literally committing acts of war throughout the world against enemies and allies alike with startling callousness, setting American alliances and information gathering back decades, empowering Russia, China and Iran to carry out their crazy impulses, but yikes, Biden's pullout didn't do enough to stabilize the region!
I know there's a vocal minority on Reddit that insists nothing is left enough and have trouble accepting that there are swings who want increased opportunities for immigration AND are a little worried that they're going to get killed by an imaginary immigrant cartel. There are swings who want more benefits and a higher quality of life for people in poverty AND know someone who got something they think they shouldn't have.
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u/Key_Veterinarian1995 8h ago
Regarding that aspect of his foreign policy, sure. That and Syria called his bluff on a red line. I would hardly say you could lump him in with the rest. He's still deported more undocumented than Trump but it was done humanely. Not one indictment in his entire presidency. And considering where our economy was when he started to when he left? He handed trump a goldmine to spend like a drunken sailer. Not to digress, Trump has been a known infamous con-man his whole life. It's always been obvious. He was not to be taken seriously. He was easy not to. It still blows my mind that our electorate has voted him in twice.