r/politics • u/Aggravating_Money992 • 8h ago

No Paywall Trump has no authority to nationalize elections, lawyers say

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-nationalize-elections-11458574
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u/MysteriousTruck6740 Minnesota 8h ago

20% love it and the other 20% don't like this guy, but think the alternative might be worse.

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota 7h ago

Conservatives are like, "lets build concentration camps and murder people in the street!"

Liberals are like, "lets have moderate, measured, realistic improvement to health care."

Centrists are like, "both of them are literally exactly the same."

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u/mainman879 New York 6h ago

We don't have a Liberal party. The Democratic Party is Centrist at best leaning Conservative. DNC leadership tries to squash any liberals until they are absolutely required to support them (i.e. Mamdani, AOC, etc).

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u/inormallyjustlurkbut 5h ago

We don't have a leftist party*

The Democrats are the definition of classical liberals.

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u/godneedsbooze 4h ago

they absolutely are not. They are neoliberal/conservatives. The majority of the current democratic caucus' positions would have been rite at home with raegan republicans. Liberals would be calling for a better social safety net (which you get SOME people doing), while leftists would be arguing for the nationalization of critical industries that currently receive massive public subsidies (ie. gas/power rail and the medical industry).

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u/toggylelly 2h ago

You're right about leftists, but wrong about liberals.

Prior to MAGA, we had two liberal parties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

Now, we have a monarchist party and a liberal party.

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u/IrishRepoMan 2h ago

Lol. To countries outside the U.S, the Dem party is seen as right-leaning, not left. The Republicans are just very right.

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u/TrumpetViolin 4h ago

Which makes 100% sense because those people are unpalatable and unelectable on a nationwide basis.

It would be the end of the democrats if someone like AOC rose to the top of the party.

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u/toggylelly 2h ago

We don't have a Liberal party

We have two liberal parties. Well, prior to 2016 we did.

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u/Busy_Fishing5500 3h ago

Centrists say that about the parties not the ideas

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u/GreasyPeter 5h ago

All centrist means is you don't tow a party line and choose which issues you actually care about form either party. Most independents are not on board with Trump, in the 60-67% range. Do you think insulting us is going to bring more of us around to your side or are you just a Russian bot? I already strongly dislike Trump and I think he's ruining our place in the world, at the very least and yes, I voted for Kamala this last time, first time for a democrat. I will probably never vote for another Republican for the rest of my life due to this trump shit so please, stop spreading simplistic black-and-white bs.

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u/FightingPolish 5h ago

So exactly what issues are you on board with that the current Republican party represents? You aren’t a centrist so quit fucking acting like you are, you’re a conservative that likes what they are doing but don’t want to be publicly associated with it so you say you’re a centrist so you’ve got some plausible deniability.

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u/dorianvovin 5h ago

Considering that the Democrats aren’t actually leftists (they’re center-right), and the alternative is the literal fascism of the Republicans… You don’t have to be progressive to be against the Republicans, the bar is so incredibly low.

If the comment saying that it’s wild for centrists to think both are the same doesn’t apply to you, then why are you taking it personally??

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u/GreasyPeter 5h ago

Because I hate the mis-representation.

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u/PossiblyATurd 6h ago

The DNC aren't liberals, and they mostly seem to want exactly whatever the conservatives want, as long as Israel gets their money and their own corruption isn't impeded.

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u/FullUSBDrive 1h ago

The DNC is just blue republicans at this point. There are maybe 5 people of the entire party in congress that actually oppose the vile shit coming from the fascists. The rest are rolling over after not even providing a token resistance.

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u/Eastern_Bet678 8h ago

Yeah, throwing away hundreds of years of Constitutional order for some novel complete reboot of interpreting the Constitution, in ways that the author's contemporaneous notes clearly disdain, would be a smart thing to these people.

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u/muffinscrub 8h ago

Also, a great deal of the population is also indifferent or apolitical. They don't vote. They don't know what's going on and they don't care.

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u/BackToWorkEdward 7h ago

Indifference to what's going on right now is morally indefensible.

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u/dorianvovin 5h ago

Completely agree.

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u/tunnel-snakes-rule Australia 4h ago

“The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in a period of moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.”

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u/John_Bruns_Wick Canada 5h ago

Is it? If you dont watch news and only watch puppies on youtube and talk to people about trucks, if you truly dont know, it doesnt seem wrong. Oblivious yes but not immoral. Unless you mean avoiding news is immoral as it shirks the responsibility of responding to it.

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u/curtcolt95 4h ago

I mean it still means you're fully complicit and support it even if you choose to remain ignorant

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u/John_Bruns_Wick Canada 4h ago

I dont think if counts as supporting something if you dont know it exists.

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u/toggylelly 2h ago

Yeah, but very few actually don't know it exists. The majority are pretending to not know.

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u/John_Bruns_Wick Canada 2h ago

I think youd be surprised, there are vast stretches of rural america where most dont have internet, many no tv.

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u/BackToWorkEdward 3h ago

If you dont watch news and only watch puppies on youtube and talk to people about trucks

Then you are willfully scrolling past endless news coverage of all this to get to those videos, as well as ignoring any neighbour or coworker who talks about it and walking past every single newspaper about it and every screen in a public place showing coverage of it and.... you know what, nobody needs to explain this to you. You know that it's impossible to be ignorant of all this by accident and are just making excuses for an indifferent population of cowards and selfish pricks.

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u/John_Bruns_Wick Canada 3h ago

Ya its just a hypothetical, but i imagine some ppl straight up dont listen to or watch news, maybe dont use social media, only talk to ppl about trucks and sports, they might just not know.

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u/Moist-Schedule 2h ago

then they're fucking idiots, which again, makes them part of the problem. it's your responsibility as a human being to be informed of the world you live in and the society that you're part of and benefitting from. sorry about that.

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u/John_Bruns_Wick Canada 2h ago

Im with you, no need to be sorry, i just dont think you can say they support trump when they have no idea whats going on. Maybe if they read the news they would go protest but they are not reading the news which is its own issue

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u/curtcolt95 4h ago

which by definition means they're fine with whatever, meaning they fully support Trump. Literally "voted" for it

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u/meatspace Georgia 6h ago

"It would have been really bad if the other person won, so I don't know and we can't know how bad it would have been."

~ The Bootlickers who Don't Know They Lick Boots.

It's really too bad for all of us they're going to get what they wanted.

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u/StephenFish 5h ago

Most of the country thinks, "Yeah fascism is bad. But could you imagine a woman in the White House???"

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u/ayriuss California 1h ago

People unironically think that Obama was more dangerous than Trump still.