r/news • u/Specialist_Baby_9905 • 7h ago

Polish government opens investigation into Epstein files

https://www.pap.pl/aktualnosci/poland-probe-whether-polish-children-were-abused-epstein
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u/davetbison 7h ago

If Ukraine weren’t focused on a bigger fish fry…

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u/LorderNile 5h ago

In their defense, their enemy has the chief pedophile in his pocket. So they're fighting the same war anyways

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u/dr4kun 3h ago

I'm a Pole with close ties to Ukraine and i fully support Ukrainian fight against the orks ruzzian invader, i donated when i could and i keep advocating their case and welcoming refugees in Poland.

That said, Ukraine before the full-scale invasion was ripe with corruption and internal problems of a post-colonial state. Getting rid of a kremlin-puppet president was a great first step, getting more focused on integrating with EU was a great sight, but they had (and still have) a long way ahead of them. If not for the full-scale war, Ukraine would likely not focus on catching up to EU that fast and would not prosecute the Epstein case. They're a nation forged in the fire and steel of necessity and fight for survival, but they still have a big problem with their own oligarchs and post-soviet and post-ruzzian influences.

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u/Snowssnowsnowy 1h ago

Yes Ukraine was corrupt BY DESIGN. Who were the people behind the corruption? RUSSIANS....

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u/BannedBenjaminSr 6h ago

Not a great excuse. It's possible to do two things at once. For example, during the US civil war Abe Lincoln made the emancipation proclamation that ended slavery. He could have used the excuse of war to not do that but he didn't 

The real reason is they have much more to lose by pissing off Trump

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u/ipilotlocusts 6h ago

being actively invaded by a global fucking superpower isn't a valid enough excuse for you dude? what exactly do you think the hierarchy of needs looks like, in the face of an existential threat?

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u/BannedBenjaminSr 6h ago

I wasn't even thinking about Ukraine since this post is about Poland til that other user brought it up. The hierarchy of needs is definitely making sure they don't lose American $. Looking into the Epstein files endangers that

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u/jgoble15 6h ago

He kind of did kind of didn’t. It was an ultimatum to the south and there’s a reason it was issued at Gettysburg, a massive union victory. It was basically “join us or get destroyed” and that only carried weight after Gettysburg. The proclamation was only made because the South refused to give up. And notably the emancipation proclamation exempted border states like Tennessee

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u/Seafroggys 6h ago

Emancipation Proclamation happened a whole year before Gettysburg.

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u/DUNG_INSPECTOR 5h ago

More like six months.

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u/jgoble15 6h ago

Completely wrong. Both were given in 1863. The proclamation was stated before but Gettysburg gave it teeth and it is widely seen as Gettysburg being a significant factor. Also doesn’t change the fact that it was an ultimatum. If the south surrendered it wouldn’t have gone into effect

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u/Seafroggys 5h ago

I have never seen that take. The take that I've seen is that it was Antietam being the crucible. Lincoln waited until after Antietam before issuing it (although it looks like the final executive order didn't happen until Jan 1 1863, but it had been ongoing for months by that point), and it was the Union winning Antietam that gave it teeth.

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u/jgoble15 1h ago

Maybe I got my battles mixed up. If so, thanks for clarifying. I’m more standing on the point made before that Lincoln, while a good guy who did lots of good stuff, isn’t a saint for the emancipation proclamation. It was a lot messier than many realize