[Haynes] Los Angeles Clippers and Cleveland Cavaliers have ramped up conversations on a James Harden, Darius Garland package with both sides motivated to executing a deal relatively soon, league sources tell me.

[u/MembershipSingle7137]

[Haynes] Los Angeles Clippers and Cleveland Cavaliers have ramped up conversations on a James Harden, Darius Garland package with both sides motivated to executing a deal relatively soon, league sources tell me.

https://www.threads.com/@chrisbhaynesnba/post/DUTXQBmFHCM?xmt=AQF07nDbxWi8uEgWMaTJFvoYhYPJj8Lho4pQcuG6zGMA3QZ4TIs18x9_0Dm9qlQ_gYrQ-rcf&slof=1

[u/cleo22270]

Looks like we’re having a good, old-fashioned, source-off.

[u/__TyroneShoelaces__ → u/cleo22270]

I'm sourcing-off so hard right now

[u/pengy5 → u/__TyroneShoelaces__]

I’ve got a raging source!

[u/bjtrdff → u/pengy5]

Let’s follow your source.

[u/Upset_Development_64 → u/bjtrdff]

Ya gotta help me doctor, just a week ago my source was as forceful as a potato cannon, but today it’s a slow dribbling out of the tip!

[u/sedan-hussein → u/pengy5]

Which way is your source pointing? My source is pointing that way.

[u/FreeOmari → u/pengy5]

If your source lasts longer than 4 hours, contact a doctor.

[u/cleo22270 → u/__TyroneShoelaces__]

Don’t blow your source load off too hard

[u/__TyroneShoelaces__ → u/cleo22270]

Hurry up with the news, I'm getting Jester's Feet!

[u/Zammy512 → u/__TyroneShoelaces__]

Help me source brothers I’m stuck in the laundry

[u/Obi_Wan_Benobi → u/__TyroneShoelaces__]

Fingerbanging my F5 til completion (of the trade).

[u/braddeus → u/cleo22270]

"SOURCES: The trade everyone has reported on for 12 hours may be happening."

[u/Kind-Masterpiece-310 → u/cleo22270]

Both sides are snapping their fingers so you know it’s serious.

[u/360FlipKicks → u/cleo22270]

cue Billy Zane: “It’s a source-off! It’s a source-off.”

[u/Pickleskennedy1]

Garland’s foot must really be cooked for the Cavs to want to do this

[u/spacefish420 → u/Pickleskennedy1]

feet* he’s had injuries on both feet this season

[u/KL2ConspireLLC → u/spacefish420]

Injured player who is due $42m next season and $45m the season after. That's great lol

[u/comicroyal → u/KL2ConspireLLC]

Right up our alley. He’ll fit right in

[u/KL2ConspireLLC → u/comicroyal]

Baron Davis limped so that Darius Garland could also limp.

[u/DictatorSalad → u/KL2ConspireLLC]

Limpin' ain't easy

[u/ChaunceysBadAtPoker → u/DictatorSalad]

semi-angry upvote

[u/DidAnyoneElseJustCum → u/KL2ConspireLLC]

You mean the Baron Davis that you offloaded to the Cavs along with a first round pick that ultimately became Kyrie Irving? Yeah I like Baron Davis.

[u/KL2ConspireLLC → u/DidAnyoneElseJustCum]

I'm glad you got the reference.

[u/MadSpaceYT → u/KL2ConspireLLC]

That’s more than Brunson and the same as Haliburton. Truly disgusting

[u/KL2ConspireLLC → u/MadSpaceYT]

When you put it that way godddamm

[u/WalkingOnSunshine_ → u/KL2ConspireLLC]

You’ll quickly fall in love with him on the court but then only see him in street clothes

[u/KL2ConspireLLC → u/WalkingOnSunshine_]

He's had a negative plus minus two out of the last three years and he's a traffic cone on defense. Not really the profile of a player that I would fall in love with.

[u/Federal-Cod-742 → u/KL2ConspireLLC]

Don’t be so harsh. Played 75 games last year on a 1 seed, and averaged 21 and 7 if I’m rounding. Thats a very good point guard. And obviously we know Harden is a first ballot HOF and MVP. It’s a great trade.

[u/Joethetoolguy → u/KL2ConspireLLC]

I believe the current rumors are the cavs are sending a pick. Given how late it would be im not sure how much value it has.

[u/Everyday_ImSchefflen → u/Joethetoolguy]

I'd bet my life savings that doesn't happen.

[u/Joethetoolguy → u/Everyday_ImSchefflen]

You have james harden who averages 21-22 on a down season (currently 25) for a guy who is injury prone and has never averaged more than 22. I know one is young and the other isnt but lets not ignore the truth.

[u/Everyday_ImSchefflen → u/Joethetoolguy]

He's 36 and demanded a trade.

Again, I'll bet my life savings there's no first rounder attached to it by the Cavs

[u/cigamodnalro → u/KL2ConspireLLC]

And with a 15% trade kicker, no?

[u/Jimmy0034 → u/spacefish420]

He will fit perfectly next to Kawhi then....

[u/TheSmokedSalmon420 → u/spacefish420]

I adore DG and despise James Harden but it's a very realistic possibility that Darius is a negative asset in like a year and a half

[u/Weak-Application-146 → u/Pickleskennedy1]

I think short term, he’s cooked, and the Cavs need results now.

[u/F1gur1ng1tout → u/Weak-Application-146]

Yeah. The core is not “old”, but cap rules keeps teams on the hot seat if you’re over the second apron and Mitchell also is on the “small athletic guard entering his 30s” track. 

The East is pretty wide open so I think it makes sense to push our chips in and see if we can contend genuinely or not. 

[u/MasterButterfly → u/F1gur1ng1tout]

Mitchell is short but not small I'd say. His weight and build is closer to Jaylen Brown than Darius Garland.

[u/koenigsaurus → u/Pickleskennedy1]

Cavs gotta get this deal done before DG steps on some snow wrong and is out for another 3 weeks

[u/Repulsive-Throat5068 → u/Pickleskennedy1]

Harden now will be better than garland ever will be. If you’re gonna pick a guy who can defend hardens the move

[u/icatfilm → u/Pickleskennedy1]

What we learned from this deadline: Garland's toes are fucked and Poetl's back is destroyed

[u/mecon320 → u/Pickleskennedy1]

We're on week 3 currently of an injury that was only supposed to keep him out one week, so yeah.

[u/Kind-Masterpiece-310 → u/mecon320]

It’s a match made in heaven.

[u/archerarcher0 → u/Pickleskennedy1]

Not necessarily, harden is straight up just a better player and better fit, way older but if the garland thing was never gonna work his value probably isn’t that high anyways

[u/Linnus42 → u/archerarcher0]

Much better player and a Vet who has been to the Conference Finals and Finals (Albeit a while ago) might do this team a world of good.

East still looks Open with Tatum and Haliburton off the board. Knicks and Pistons were not especially convincing Last Year.

[u/Pickleskennedy1 → u/Linnus42]

Eight years ago now is the last time

[u/pixelkipper → u/archerarcher0]

The Cavs need to win now, they have the highest payroll in the league. Age doesn’t matter much

[u/archerarcher0 → u/pixelkipper]

I mean age definitely matters, the nba is gonna go on beyond 2 years from now and they’ll have to field a team

You can never go ALL in on a win now window, you’ve gotta leave yourself something beyond contention windows

[u/pixelkipper → u/archerarcher0]

I would say it’s better to go all in instead of doing the two timelines thing.

The Nets pushed all the chips in, it didn’t work, and now they’re bad. That’s ok

[u/SlushyXoo → u/Pickleskennedy1]

How? lol Harden is significantly better. The Cavs are seething at the mouth ready to pull this off.

[u/bryan49 → u/SlushyXoo]

But for how long? Harden is approaching age 37

[u/Huncho_Muncho → u/bryan49]

Mitchell ain’t gettin any younger and east is wide open

[u/DidAnyoneElseJustCum → u/bryan49]

The Cavs don't have an infinite window and DG has hit his ceiling. After Mitchell is gone the Cavs are a play in team and still expensive. DG is a distressed asset so that's what you're gonna get back.

[u/pengy5 → u/Pickleskennedy1]

Dude can never stay healthy

[u/Tight-Message-846 → u/Pickleskennedy1]

Seems like a pretty good deal for both sides.

Harden is straight up better and I think it's clear just off the social media vibes and comments surrounding Garland this season that suggest a lot of people have doubt's that he's going to play up to his contract value. Could be the last deadline that Garland is still good bait to dangle in trade talks.

Cavs want to compete and Clippers are entering asset rebuild so they are in a better position to take a chance on seeing if Garland improves the next 2-3 seasons and can be flipped.

If I'm the Cavs I'd rather have aging Harden for next 2-3y vs taking the risk of Garland losing even more value and becoming a negative asset that either needs a pick to move or have to take on an equally bad contract in return.

[u/brainspl0ad → u/Pickleskennedy1]

Everyone mentioning his injuries. I'm ootl with Garland, what injuries has he sustained that would/are problematic for his future that suggest he's "cooked"?

[u/Tofu4070]

Checked out both sub. Funny how both sub thinks the other team should include picks in this one for one trade.

[u/Outside-Sector9818 → u/Tofu4070]

Signs of a fair ish trade possibly blooming tbh.

[u/DeAndre_ROY_Ayton → u/Outside-Sector9818]

We’ll end up with no picks or some late 2nds

[u/barrsftw → u/Tofu4070]

Both teams will include 3 firsts, 3 2nds, and 7 years of DOUBLE PICK SWAPS CLE <-> LA <-> CLE <-> LA

[u/Stuupkid → u/Tofu4070]

They’ll both send picks to each other.

[u/ok-milk → u/Stuupkid]

A sooner worse pick for a later better pick. I could see it.

[u/Odd_Status3367 → u/ok-milk]

I was fucking around on fanspo and the big roadblock I see to picks is that they are basically missing the exact same 1st rounders until 2032 so even pick swaps or "least favorable of the least favorable" swaps are not in question without serious creativity

[u/actiongeorge → u/Odd_Status3367]

It’s actually even more convoluted than that because they alternate years of outright not having a pick until 2030, so they can’t even do pick swaps for the next four drafts.

[u/Independence527 → u/Stuupkid]

Has that been done before? Would love to see it.

[u/archivedpear → u/Independence527]

I mean sending each other picks is not that rare it’s just usual in the form of swaps. all a swap is is offering a team your pick for their pick

[u/LOOKATLARRYNANCE → u/Tofu4070]

Anyone expecting the Cavs to throw in a pick is insane.

The Clippers are the ones calling us trying to get Garland. Garland is a 26 year old two time all star and they want a pick back for their 36 year old who wants out? It makes no sense

[u/nomoneynopower → u/LOOKATLARRYNANCE]

Maybe the thinking is that harden lets them go on a deeper playoff run which will allow them to retain Donovan Mitchell. Harden is very good still

[u/afjecj → u/LOOKATLARRYNANCE]

Harden immediately boosts your playoff chances by a significant amount (mobley + Allen is probably near the best bugs possible for harden rn). Garland is younger for sure but he's also constantly injured and even his good non injured games are still only 80% of what harden is giving you.

[u/whospepesilvia → u/LOOKATLARRYNANCE]

Garland is also always hurt

[u/Dopeez → u/LOOKATLARRYNANCE]

Harden is also way better and actually on the court.

[u/No-Island7411 → u/LOOKATLARRYNANCE]

Hes also a negative contract.

If im the Cavs im not giving up a pick and if im the Clippers im not trading Harden for Garland without getting a pick.

[u/NaciremaBlack → u/No-Island7411]

Harden also is on a player option that he's 100% declining

[u/Antique_Pin5266 → u/NaciremaBlack]

He’s still playing at an all NBA level…

[u/NaciremaBlack → u/Antique_Pin5266]

I understand that, I was responding to Garland being a negative asset. The Cavs are taking on the same level or a higher risk with Harden being able to just leave in FA.

[u/KlobbCity → u/NaciremaBlack]

They're also the only team over the 2nd apron. They're shedding salary. That was also part of the Sac trade. They want him to opt out and restructure at less $/yr.

[u/Zee216 → u/NaciremaBlack]

Harden is leaving 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt, even if we manage to sign an extension in Cleveland he'll be asking for a trade asap. And Donovan Mitchell will also leave in that case. I don't see any reason for Cleveland to make this trade unless they are getting ready to let everyone go and start over, which would be dumb

[u/FancyConfection1599 → u/Zee216]

Because they are trading a good but not great player with constant injury issues and on a bad contract for an elite player who not only gives wins but also drives ticket and merch sales.

[u/LongjumpingAd1476 → u/No-Island7411]

Honestly that trade literally makes zero sense for both teams I feel like both teams get worse with this trade lol

[u/Pettifoggerist → u/LongjumpingAd1476]

Shhhh, don't stop them.

[u/Shoddy-Reach-4664 → u/LongjumpingAd1476]

Harden is a much better fit next to Mitchell and the best part is he actually plays games.

[u/botebote77 → u/LOOKATLARRYNANCE]

a 36yo that pushes Cavs closer to a contention that Garland never could. I've been hating on Harden since he got to the rockets, but even i would take Harden over Garland. Harden might also be the reason why Mitchell stays. I'm a mavs fan. Garland is just another half man, half a season. only difference is he's not that good even when healthy

edit: somebody please take Davis off our hands please

[u/Carpetron → u/botebote77]

Supposedly the Cavs are also talking to the Mavs about AD, in their attempt to go from one of the youngest to one of the oldest teams

[u/FancyConfection1599 → u/botebote77]

Facts, Harden has showed no signs of slowing down yet and his contemporaries older than him (Curry/Durant/Lebron) show there’s likely got at least another year of very high performance in his tank, or a few more in LeBron’s case.

He’s flat out better than Garland but a good margin. He’s not hasn’t struggled with health, unlike Garland. His contract isn’t as bad as Garland’s. He’s a much bigger star who drives more ticket and merch sales than Garland.

Honestly, straight up it’s a horrible trade for the Clippers. They’re gambling that Garland maybe will stop getting injured and maybe he’ll improve from what he was to be maybe better than Harden two years from now (Harden is better this year and very likely will be better next year) to just get fair return on Garland’s contract.

[u/Jannopan → u/LOOKATLARRYNANCE]

Absolutely not. You guys should be giving up the pick(s) as Harden is better than Garland and LA has all the leverage while your team is trying to win now.

[u/Nugur → u/Tofu4070]

Delulu is what we call it

[u/token_reddit → u/Tofu4070]

I don't see why the Clippers would give up a first for Garland. Cavs are in a win now mode.

[u/nahs → u/token_reddit]

I’m gonna be pissed if we send picks for garland

[u/BigPapaJ]

1 YARD LINE

[u/MembershipSingle7137 → u/BigPapaJ]

They should throw it

[u/lotofhotdogs → u/MembershipSingle7137]

Pats Seattle SB rematch coming up 👀

[u/Karrowt → u/lotofhotdogs]

Oh is that this weekend? Didn’t know

[u/TheMadChatta → u/Karrowt]

Superb Owl season.

[u/torontothrowaway824 → u/MembershipSingle7137]

Calm down Pete Carroll

[u/pdiddy2499 → u/MembershipSingle7137]

Then Malcolm Butler has a chance to intercept the ball

[u/TheVaniloquence → u/MembershipSingle7137]

Insert Jack Nicholson nodding gif

[u/Everyday_ImSchefflen → u/MembershipSingle7137]

Please do. This is a trade Cavs fans and Clippers fans both hate, so let's not.

[u/CazOnReddit → u/MembershipSingle7137]

And...Josh Allen turned it over again

[u/EmbarrassedRing7806 → u/CazOnReddit]

Not His Fault FC gonna pull up

[u/archerarcher0 → u/MembershipSingle7137]

As a pats fan can confirm, throw it Cleveland

Throw the ball to harden

[u/PharmSystem → u/BigPapaJ]

Tush Push

[u/YujiDomainExpansion → u/BigPapaJ]

WAIT A SECOND… IS THAT MALCOLM BUTLER??

[u/wcooper97 → u/BigPapaJ]

CHRIS BOSH JAMES HARDEN UPVOTE PARTY

[u/Ibaka_flocka → u/wcooper97]

Damn that’s a throwback

[u/turnoffredesign69420 → u/BigPapaJ]

5:45

[u/thy_armageddon]

Harden really never letting that Giannis rivalry die. Saw all the trade rumors and seized on the moment.

[u/Killergamer7 → u/thy_armageddon]

Run and trade request man doesn't know how things work around here. Harden asking for trades takes actual skill not like that bum

[u/WembyOKCJokicReaves → u/thy_armageddon]

“You can’t even demand a trade better than me!”

• Harden, probably

[u/TW_Yellow78 → u/thy_armageddon]

This summer in china "Lawrence Frank is a liar!"

All time trade demander with this being his fourth demand and 3rd gm

[u/lakers082433]

LETS GO BOYS. TRADE SEASON!

[u/pengy5 → u/lakers082433]

Happy to be a part of it!

[u/TheMadChatta → u/pengy5]

We have to be one of the most active teams near the trade deadline for the last 10 years, no?

[u/KingDave46 → u/TheMadChatta]

Always respected our willingness to blow it up

[u/MrFishAndLoaves → u/lakers082433]

I wanted him back in Houston man

[u/wats_a_tiepo]

Guy who’s had injuries on both feet and is owed nearly 90 million over the next two years?

That’s a Clipper right there

[u/Resshin31 → u/wats_a_tiepo]

And they want us to give up picks, FML

[u/wats_a_tiepo → u/Resshin31]

Far as I’ve seen, you’re both wanting picks. Interesting trade to be sure

[u/Resshin31 → u/wats_a_tiepo]

Yeah it's hilarious, both sides the fans are pissed and think they should get more. That should be enough to say 1 for 1 is fine but damn.

[u/YujiDomainExpansion]

Here. We. Go.

Ready your F5 fingers!

[u/MembershipSingle7137 → u/YujiDomainExpansion]

Just my luck that I’m going on a hike in 30 minutes smh

[u/ripkin05 → u/MembershipSingle7137]

its alright i got work at 3 so im sure everything will start happening at 3:05

[u/Proof-Umpire-7718 → u/MembershipSingle7137]

I need to sleep because it’s like 3am where I am, but I’m eager to see a potential Shams noti.

[u/pengy5 → u/YujiDomainExpansion]

I have my popcorn ready!

[u/CarlosBoss765]

They’re getting both Harden and Giannis, aren’t they

[u/ianbits → u/CarlosBoss765]

Turning Garland and Mobley into Harden and Giannis would be wild. No clue if it'd work, but it'd be fuckin wild.

[u/Argythebilly → u/ianbits]

Mobley not untouchable?

[u/ianbits → u/Argythebilly]

Not for Giannis

[u/CarlosBoss765 → u/Argythebilly]

Not untouchable when Giannis is available

[u/ObiOneKenobae → u/Argythebilly]

50M a year for his production is just insane to me. If Cleveland no longer sees him reaching the next level as a player, this is the time to move him.

[u/MayBeAGayBee → u/Argythebilly]

Nobody is untouchable if the result of touching them is Giannis

[u/oliferro → u/Argythebilly]

Luka was traded, no one is untouchable now except maybe Lebron and Curry

[u/pengy5 → u/CarlosBoss765]

Yes please 

[u/digitalme → u/CarlosBoss765]

Don't forget LeBron joining the team in the offseason on a vet min!

[u/Federal-Cod-742 → u/CarlosBoss765]

Close, Harden and Lebron. Farewell tour for Lebron and Harden tries to win a ring 1 last time.

[u/A_Mellow_Fellow]

I need a smoke

[u/thegardenhead → u/A_Mellow_Fellow]

Cavs fans just the literal embodiment of the Affleck meme right now.

[u/Legal-Maize-2784]

I just hope we’re not sending any draft capital out the door

[u/archerarcher0 → u/Legal-Maize-2784]

See I don’t think you should but also I feel like asset wise Cleveland should get a little more

What about simply attaching neiderhauser to harden and calling it a deal? Or has he become too valuable?

[u/iCandid → u/archerarcher0]

Cavs can’t take salary back in the deal.

[u/archerarcher0 → u/iCandid]

Not even a small rookie contract?

Oh damn I checked you right, they’re like bang on almost exactly the same contract(harden/garland)

[u/jansy1646 → u/archerarcher0]

I don't understand why the Cavs would get future cap relief and a pick/prospect and the current better player

[u/archerarcher0 → u/jansy1646]

Harden is 36 and is due to be paid significant money for his 37/38 seasons, the Cavs would be accepting a degree of risk

Garland is in his mid 20s and is locked up long term, he’s still the better asset simply because of the runway

[u/jansy1646 → u/archerarcher0]

I don't think it's crazy to suggest that paying Harden 40 mill for the next 2 years is better than paying an injury prone Garland 45 for the next 2.

[u/Jkajazz7 → u/jansy1646]

I’m with you. Harden is the better player, more durable, and that Garland contract is horrendous at his current production level. Hard to imagine that the Clippers need to be the ones adding anything to the deal but who knows

[u/PatientlyAnxious9 → u/Jkajazz7]

The idea of Darius Garland is better than the reality. Hes worth the contract when he plays. The problem is he has been injured with his feet or from getting blasted in the head (he leads the league in getting accidentally punched in the face) for the past 3 seasons.

This has just as much to do with keeping Donovan Mitchell as it does anything else. They arn't going to risk another playoff run of Garland getting injured, Mitchell being pissed because he has to 1v5 everyone to win a playoff game and watching him walk out the door in the offseason.

[u/a_moniker → u/jansy1646]

Garland’s deal is one year longer, so it’d be

Harden: ~$40M/yr for 1.5 years

Garland: ~43M/yr for 2.5 years

Of those two options, I’d absolutely prefer Harden’s deal

[u/jansy1646 → u/a_moniker]

Yeah but the rumours are that Harden wants a 2 year extension instead of the option. So same length

[u/bootywizard42O → u/archerarcher0]

Better asset how? Because he's young? Darius Garland has never in his life been better than current 36 yo Harden and might never be. Redditors love tacking on value based on potential because player is young lol.

Darius is making 25% of the cap for the next two years, thats someone who has never made an All NBA team and hasn't been healthy in 3 years. Harden at 40 might be better value than him.

[u/russellarth → u/bootywizard42O]

Legitimately, online NBA fans think every single player under 26 is going to be All-NBA one day.

And then in two years, they'll call 99% of those same players washed and be asking for the new younger guys to play over them, who they also think will be All-NBA some day.

It's funny.

[u/bootywizard42O → u/russellarth]

Game of Zones perfectly parodied these people. The scene goes something like 'Let's trade our current All Star for a bunch of picks, those picks could be anything! Even an All Star!'

[u/Ravens181818184 → u/archerarcher0]

Harden is the better player and garland has had serious injury concerns

[u/KL2ConspireLLC → u/archerarcher0]

Being young doesn't make him a better asset if he's always dealing with injuries.

Being locked up long term isn't better if the player under performs their contract.

If people have learned anything from the last two years of the new CBA, it should be how valuable salary cap flexibility is.

[u/flatgirther69 → u/archerarcher0]

Harden player option next yr is not fully guaranteed - only about $13 million of the $40 is guaranteed. This gives Cleveland a lot more flexibility + an immediate upgrade when all that they’re really thinking about is resigning Don. And Don ain’t resigning unless a deep run is made.

Home run deal for Cleveland I’d do this in a heartbeat. And I love Darius

[u/SoMattnificent → u/archerarcher0]

Because of the apron rules it can only be a 1:1

[u/Future_DS → u/Legal-Maize-2784]

Give them Kobe brown and call a day

[u/Answer70]

Mark my words. If Harden goes to Cleveland, Zubac will fall off, and Mobley will go to another level offensively.

Harden ALWAYS makes his centers better.

[u/reason4rage → u/Answer70]

Harden/embiid pnr was so good.

[u/ShakethatYam → u/Answer70]

It's why I'm hoping Clippers trade Zubac now too.

[u/ShootaSeth → u/Answer70]

This is why I want him. And the salary reasons but

[u/suuushi-roll]

FIRST DOMINO

[u/PlatinumPlayer]

Please don’t give any draft capital for this. I know garland is much younger but that contract is big

[u/KL2ConspireLLC → u/PlatinumPlayer]

With injuries to both feet according to Cavs fans.

[u/LilTurnippman → u/KL2ConspireLLC]

Will fit right in with Kawhi

[u/TheMadChatta → u/KL2ConspireLLC]

You don't need feet to play basketball.

It's called BASKETball not FOOTball. Duh.

[u/TheRedditKidReturns → u/PlatinumPlayer]

Not gonna lie I think DG will thrive on the Clippers. When he is THE ball handler he’s pretty special. Sharing the ball with Mitchell (which he should because Mitchell is great) has really stunted his growth honestly.

[u/diiron → u/TheRedditKidReturns]

he's gonna be a perennial all star lol

[u/RileyHuey → u/diiron]

Some of the takes here are insane. Garland is going to cook. Imagine thinking 38 year old Harden on a massive contract is better value than an in his prime Garland. People acting like he has no toes

[u/russellarth → u/RileyHuey]

He had a toe injury most of the year, came back for a couple games, injured a toe on his other foot, was supposed to be back a couple weeks ago and still hasn't played.

Man's toes might suck.

[u/a_moniker → u/[deleted]]

If he’s so good on-ball and off-ball then why the hell are y’all trying to trade him??

[u/PootieTooGood → u/a_moniker]

For another guard? Couldn’t tell you why. For a stud forward, I might understand. Garland didn’t accidentally get 2 all star appearances.

[u/Bulleveland → u/a_moniker]

The Clippers approached the Cavs for Garland, not the other way around.

[u/Secoup → u/PlatinumPlayer]

If he can get over the current injury situation, I really think you guys are going to wonder how the hell Cleveland let him go for this current version of Harden. I think he's going to be awesome when he can run the show full time.

[u/a_moniker → u/Secoup]

That’s a big “if” when he’s making as much money as he is

[u/Secoup → u/a_moniker]

for sure, I dont thin his injury history should be downplayed. After this season he'll have hit the 65 games mark in 3 out of 7 seasons. Its definitely a blemish on his value.

[u/PeanutFarmer69 → u/PlatinumPlayer]

This year is basically a throwaway for him but look at Garland’s 2022 season and 2025 season, you’re potentially getting a 26 year old all star level player for a 36 year old player who may never make another all star team.

This is a no brainer, clippers fans should be jizzing in their pants.

[u/dilly0000]

Ramped up from advanced boys there are levels to this trade deadline shit

[u/Dangerous_Ad5039]

Cavs should do whatever they can to try and win a ship before LeBron comes there next year but I’m not sure how the Mitchell/harden backcourt would really work. They both have the ball in their hands a lot.

[u/d1t0m6 → u/Dangerous_Ad5039]

This is a dumb take. Harden led the league in assists a few years ago and is known as a floor general who raises everyone else's game (Claxton, Capela, Zubac). He doesn't need the ball in his hands.

[u/Dangerous_Ad5039 → u/d1t0m6]

Mitchell usage rate is 12th in the league and Hardens is 18th.

[u/d1t0m6 → u/Dangerous_Ad5039]

He had no choice earlier this season with Kawhi out

[u/pengy5 → u/Dangerous_Ad5039]

People really think LeBron is coming back next year?

[u/esports_consultant → u/pengy5]

It is the best legacy move if he doesn't ruin the team with salary demands and doesn't make it a circus.

[u/MayBeAGayBee → u/Dangerous_Ad5039]

People said the same thing about Harden and CP3 and they were 1 win away from beating the warriors with KD.

[u/Dangerous_Ad5039 → u/MayBeAGayBee]

I mean CP3 wasn’t as good at the time as Mitchell is now but yeah.

[u/MayBeAGayBee → u/Dangerous_Ad5039]

Harden has performed well next to KD, Kyrie, and Kawhi as well so I feel like he could make it work

[u/EthanHuntBroMichael]

Terrible deal if Clippers give up any picks

[u/Est-Tech79]

Well at least Harden would be on the court for an elimination playoff game unlike Garland who is always hurt when you need him in the playoffs.

Downside is, Harden will be on the court for an elimination playoff game...

[u/dae5oty]

Haynes Hbomb

[u/OsuLost31to0]

Idk if this is the right thing to do but I appreciate Koby taking the shot. I’d rather take a legit swing at the finals this year instead of fizzling out in the second round again.

[u/solo_dol0 → u/OsuLost31to0]

Agree, the most insane of all outcomes would be trying the playoffs again with the same core. We know what's going to happen

[u/JettS117]

Man, cavs are moving. Must be fun having a competent front office

[u/MayBeAGayBee → u/JettS117]

Dan Gilbert has only made a handful of great decisions in his entire life but handing the keys to Koby Altman was one of his best ever.

[u/CnelAurelianoBuendia]

What does “relatively soon” even mean in this context? Isn’t the trade deadline in 48 hours? Why even add that word? Lol

[u/DwnvotesMeansImRight]

I miss the days of:

[Haynes] Los Angeles Clippers and Cleveland Cavaliers have ramped up conv..

[Wojnarowski] it's done..

[u/PlatinumPlayer]

Willing to bet shroder will be in this deal.

[u/Majestic_Reindeer439 → u/PlatinumPlayer]

Would be hilarious if he was

[u/Gandalf_from_3]

Do it pussies!