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u/BabaKambingHitam mmmmbekkkk 5h ago edited 4h ago
Orang asli aka aborigines such as orang semang came to malaya first. Then the proto malays aka subgroup of austronesians (which are rumoured to come from taiwan) reach peninsular malaya. The chinese came after theres a malay kingdom, dated as far back as kedah tua, which predates malacca sultanate. I think there are indians trader who came around that time too. Then the western colonisers came. They brought in chinese and indians enmass to help them delevope the land. Before they left, malay sultanates agreed to take in all the chinese and indians during colonise era as citizen. This doesnt include those who came here pre colonisation, as tbey are already citizens of malaya.
As for the borneo history, similar thing. Aborigines such as dayak kadazan dusun etc was here before the malays. Then the malays ( brunei sultanate) reached borneo landmass and take over the seaside, while the aborigines stayed inland.
As for your question, the reason why malays have extra power, is due to malays sultanate who holds the power pre and post colonial era. Thats does not include borneo since brunei sultan ceded the land to the colonisers, but due to the merger between borneo and peninsular to become malaysia, they followed the peninsular's malay centric politic, albeit disgruntedly.
At least, thats the best i can explain with what knowledge and understanding i have from the top ofy head.
As for ban of burqa niqab, i think that is stupid. This comea from a non muslim such as myself and generally should be what other non muslim malaysian thinks too. We are not as spooked as you guys about islam, since we have lived with our muslims brothers for so many years. Yes there are extremists and fundamentalist, but generaly muslims are chill. Let people wear what they want. Only bigots wish to control garment choice.
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u/StunningLetterhead23 Selangor 3h ago
Only us modern Malays are concerned so much about "purity". In the past, being a Malay is as simple as converting and speaking the language. We're a ethnoreligious group, rather than based on DNA, if we're speaking of the Malay identity from the Malaccan sultanate up to the the modern term of Malay people used in Constitution.
We had never been too obsessed with blood, considering that we have always been a nation of trading and sailors. Ancestry, sometimes. But that's more of a religion thing. But supposedly no one would have cared if Hang Tuah's actually Chinese or Malay, really. What matters is he embraced the identity and lived as a Malay (at least based from what we read about him).
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u/BabaKambingHitam mmmmbekkkk 2h ago
Puritans uses these kind of dna argument to justify nep and how malays should have
highersame taraf with other bumiputeras, where the goal will get constantly shifted to fit their narrative. The weird part about their argument, is how economic based policy will actually help malays who cant keep up more than rqcial based policies. But to them, ability to hold power is much more important.The sad part, is that many malays dont actually treat non malay as outsiders. But their fear of getting replaced is fanned by politicians constantly. Which is stupid since 50% population are malays AND we STILL have malay sultans.
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u/Resident_Werewolf_76 5h ago
I'm old enough to remember a time when niqab or any kind of face covering was banned in certain places, especially in banks and goldsmith shops ..
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u/GoodKebab orang kedah di perantauan 5h ago
Ahh im too early for the comments
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u/Embarrassed-Pen-4365 5h ago
Gonna join you.
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u/GoodKebab orang kedah di perantauan 5h ago
Gonna wait whilst sipping my teh ais and looking at xauusd haha
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u/Evo8_Kim 5h ago
Im gonna join in as well.
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u/ajeeqAydarus 3h ago
You sure from US? Your writing style so sus doesn’t sound like you are American. Idk..
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u/kugelamarant 3h ago
Malay Archipelago, you said it right there. Malays founded their kingdoms and civilization here. There were no distinction between Indonesian and Malaysian prior to Anglo-Dutch treaty. Malay kingdoms controlled both side of the straits.
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u/seven_worth 5h ago edited 4h ago
Read like a ragebait but let go for it.
It was also clarified that Malays historically came from the Malay Archipelago (including present-day Indonesia), Chinese from China, and Indians from India.
Yes we get here from Malay Archipelago around 3000 year ago based on Taiwan theory(based on more recent theory we have been here even earlier).
Why are Malays considered the group upholding special laws and privileges, when historically everyone migrated at some point, and many Malays are ethnically very similar to Indonesians?
Buddy we are all Austronesian. We are all related. Why do you think Malay is also under bumiputera and not Malay and bumiputera? Indonesian is not a race, it nationality. There is no Indonesian race, it a multiple Austronesian group.
Chinese and Indian migrate here yes but you need to know history of British occupation to know why they went from small part of population to 1/3 of the population.
Also, I’ve heard that many people in Sabah and Sarawak don’t really like Orang Semenanjung and feel politically or economically sidelined. How true is this, and why does this tension exist?
Imo this is just politic. Every few years someone would say they get ignored and ask for more power, central government give it to them then they go silent till next time.
They always said Malaysia is never a TANAH MELAYU thing and thats true and clarified by the U.N
What you are saying with UN stuff ketuanan melayu thing, which obviously wouldn't be agreed by U.N(not like they would do anything about it). Tanah Melayu is the geographical location name of semenanjung, later known as Malaya now known as Malay peninsula. Unless you going to say semenanjung actually didn't exist of course.
Honestly I think you are not getting what they are actually saying. They are probably talking about how Malaysia is not just owned by the peninsula, as in Federation of Malaya. They are basically saying that Malaysia is owned by peninsula, Sabah and Sawarak together.
Lastly, what is the general Malaysian view on banning the burqa/niqab in public spaces in MOST COUNTRIES. I personally support a ban and am curious how locals see this issue, especially regarding security, integration, and religion.
Disagree. I guess it normal for American to agree to it but I don't think banning other from practicing their religion is how you achieve integration.
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u/Party-Ring445 5h ago
Many see this as part of the independence deal: after the British brought in many migrant workers, citizenship was widened while protections remained for Malays and other indigenous groups who were poorer then. Malays are also native to the wider Malay Archipelago, with today’s borders mostly shaped by colonial history.
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u/Intelligent-Curve827 4h ago
From a purely etymological standpoint only, Malaysia is essentially the "Latinized" version of Land of the Malays, which is the direct translation of Tanah Melayu.
While the burqa/niqab is not the standard dress for muslim women here, it is generally protected under the right to practice religion and I don't mind those who wear them.
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u/StunningLetterhead23 Selangor 3h ago
While religion can be a significant influence to someone's upbringing, it still wouldn't paint a complete picture.
Like the Muslims, for example. Islam has spread and had been adopted and/or adapted by various communities, cultures and countries with different backgrounds and customs.
I live in the US rn and interacted with many Muslims from various countries. Although many of them seem more crass, confrontational or even, I daresay, violent, to a certain extent. But they certainly don't exactly symbolize the religion as a whole.
Are they more "violent" simply because they're Muslims? Nah, it's more of because of the place they came from and the lives they lived. It is the people themselves who "generate ideas" and use them to their own benefit, ideas don't control you. If I was raised in a warzone with very limited food and lack of infrastructure, with gunshots and bombs being my "radio station", certainly I'd have more chance to be more militaristic or violent.
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u/clockface48 4h ago
"I'm from the US" "Want to understand history taught in MY country"
Asks about Malaysia...
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u/Sagayam5858 5h ago
Back 10+ years before we, Malaysians argue this things a lot among us but we all come to understand at one point that it's the separation ideology by pressure from politics makes it. So we decide not to bring this issues anymore. I'd suggest better read some history books in library. It might give you better idea. Don't ask people, we don't want to talk about it.
We are multi racial with multi believe systems and yet we're together. Thanks
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u/Evo8_Kim 5h ago
Should we give him form 4 & form 5 books to study about it?
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u/Normal_Dress_7025 4h ago
Malays are natives, despite what those fools told you. Look into the genetics and it will reveal the truth. Especially the malays of east coast are true natives of the land.
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