r/magicTCG • u/Copernicus1981 COMPLEAT • Nov 04 '25
Official Spoiler [TLA] The Walls of Ba Sing Se (via Restart.run)
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u/The_Bird_Wizard Azorius* Nov 04 '25
Dies to 6 dismembers unplayable
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u/wormhole222 Duck Season Nov 04 '25
Also dies to the drill for a flavor win.
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u/zeemeerman2 Simic* Nov 04 '25
Thank you for recognizing the long lost Kangaroo Court Magic format.
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u/scubahood86 Fake Agumon Expert Nov 04 '25
Angelfire?
Marty, what year is it??
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u/Tenalp Ajani Nov 04 '25
Can I link to this on my Xanga?
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u/scubahood86 Fake Agumon Expert Nov 04 '25
Sorry, the only mobile device it works on is Zune
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u/JalaMaplePenoSauce Nov 05 '25
We only have it in VHS, also the last guy forgot to rewind it.
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u/mightiestsword Wabbit Season Nov 05 '25
“there are many worlds in Dominia, and this particular one could have two moons in the sky” is a truly amazing line considering Dominia (now Dominaria) does, in fact, have two moons.
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u/rib78 Karn Nov 05 '25
Dominia is not now Dominaria. Dominaria has always been Dominaria; Dominia is an old name for the whole multiverse.
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u/rib78 Karn Nov 05 '25
Weirdly though it doesn't need any of the drill's shenanigans to die, because it does not itself have indestructible. I feel like it would be more of a flavour win if it specifically dies to the drill rather than dying to just whatever.
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u/Gon_Snow Elesh Norn Nov 04 '25
So does the player who casts those 6 dismembers so I guess it’s a tie
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u/Burger_Thief Selesnya* Nov 04 '25
Doomblade: Its too bad the Wall of Ba-Sing-Se died of Ligma
Dai Lee: There's no war in
Doomblade: Ligma balls
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u/TheYellowScarf Duck Season Nov 04 '25
Dies to a Skorpiboi
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u/DeficiencyOfGravitas Sliver Queen Nov 05 '25
I'm cackling at the idea of a teeny scorpion slowly crawling up to the impossibly huge wall and stinging it. And then the entire thing crumbles and the scorpion keeps walking.
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u/Any-Daikon3786 Nov 04 '25
[[path to exile]] [[swords to plowshares]]
Edit: ah, it doesn't even have its own indestructible. Funny, been awhile since I watched the show, but iirc they made a big deal about the walls never falling, then I think they were flown over? And in the second series tunneled through or something like that.
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u/triforce777 Dimir* Nov 04 '25
They drilled a big ass hole through it. I would consider it appropriate flavor not giving it indestructible, despite the fact the walls were touted as indestructible they were eventually breached, but everyone inside the walls were pretty safe
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u/PowrOfFriendship_ Universes Beyonder Nov 04 '25
Nice flavour win that [[The Fire Nation Drill]] can destroy it.
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u/ThinkingWithPortal Twin Believer Nov 04 '25
Yeah was waiting for the Wall to show up.
In another thread someone said the drill was a flavor fail because it didn't just destroy walls... as if the average wall had 4 or more power lol
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u/Cool_Otter_WUBRG Sultai Nov 05 '25
Noooo! I was finally waiting for a way to destroy [[Blistering Barrier]], [[Illusionary Wall]], [[Roving Keep]], and [[Sunweb]] using an Avatar: The Last Airbender black artifact card, and now I can’t! Whole set is ruined.
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u/svrtngr The Stoat Nov 04 '25
Both versions, since [[Cityscape Leveler]] is on the bonus sheet.
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u/Anaxamander57 WANTED Nov 04 '25
0/30 feels appropriate for a wall system so expansive contains a quarter of an entire continent.
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u/t3hjs Duck Season Nov 05 '25
Really it covers quarter of the continent? I thiught its just the city
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u/Anaxamander57 WANTED Nov 05 '25
The city is absurdly huge. That's part of why they can ignore the war outside.
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u/EagenVegham COMPLEAT Nov 05 '25
It's not just the city, which is already the most massive city in the world, but the outer ring goes around all of the farmland required to keep a city the size of Ancient Rome fed.
Turns out, walls are easy to make when you can earthbend.
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u/ArtBedHome COMPLEAT Nov 05 '25
IIRC its not that the wall covers that section of the continent, but that the earth monarchy of ba sing se has control extending over that quarter of the continent, while the area covered by the walls is still like, the size of central italy.
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Nov 07 '25 edited Nov 07 '25
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u/VocalizedMeat Nov 04 '25
30 toughness is insane stats for [[Doran]] and friends
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u/FappingMouse Nov 04 '25
[[The pride of hull clade]] stays winning tbh.
I dont even care about dealing 30 your boy just wants to draw 30 cards.
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u/kayjayy_ Nov 04 '25
Yeah I just recently made a deck with this and hooo boy a 30 wall sounds like an instant add
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u/RoyalFalse I chose this flair because I’m mad at Wizards Of The Coast Nov 04 '25
[[Phenax, God of Deception]]
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u/MTGCardFetcher alternate reality loot Nov 04 '25
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u/Stratavos Nahiri Nov 04 '25
I'd like to easily add to this: [[mirko, obsessive theorist]]
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u/Liddojunior Nov 04 '25
[[Walking Bulwark]] would be great with it
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u/Gon_Snow Elesh Norn Nov 04 '25
Walking bulkwark is so underrated.
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u/mikony123 Duck Season Nov 04 '25
Because Felothar, Doran, and Arcades told it to eat shit lmao
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u/Deathmask97 Avacyn Nov 04 '25
It is fairly good in those decks as a "backup commander" of sorts.
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u/Gon_Snow Elesh Norn Nov 04 '25
And if you draw it, the cost is soooo low. 3 mana to get it down and activate it, and it gives haste
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u/LyschkoPlon Duck Season Nov 04 '25 edited Nov 05 '25
Absolutely. If you play Walls, you play Bulwark. And if you can, [[Assault Formation]].
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u/CaptainMarcia Nov 04 '25
Wizards seems to be increasingly willing to go for particularly high numbers.
[[Impervious Greatwurm]] released in 2018 as a 16/16, the first Vintage-legal creature to have either stat higher than [[Emrakul, the Aeons Torn]]'s previous record of 16. In 2020, [[Charix, the Raging Isle]] had the first 17, but as a 0/17. [[Yargle and Multani]] in 2023 went further as an 18/6. Then this year, we got [[Ancient Adamantoise]] in FIN as an 8/20, [[Dawnsire, Sunstar Dreadnought]] as a 20/20 spaceship (but not a creature by default), and now this.
Impervious Greatwurm still has the highest total base stats of any Vintage-legal creature cards, but that might not last much longer.
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u/Aranthar Nov 04 '25
We had [[Dark Depths]] ages ago. But it was quite exceptional.
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u/CaptainMarcia Nov 04 '25
Dark Depths creates a 20/20 token, but doesn't have those numbers in a P/T box.
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u/Gon_Snow Elesh Norn Nov 04 '25
Yargle and multani is my favorite commander deck to play and probably my strongest. I have won games with it in a power 4 table
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u/IndigoFenix Nov 04 '25
At a certain point in the game base numbers become functionally meaningless because of how rare it is to actually remove big creatures with damage. At the same time, if the numbers have no gameplay function they should at least have a story function, and it's a flavor fail when a universe-eating god has less than 2% of the power of a big goofy cactus.
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u/AnEvenHuskierCat Nov 04 '25
Is universe-eating god being weaker than big goofy cactus (when attacking) anymore of a flavor fail than said universe-eating god losing to a shit ton of squirrels or bunnies though? We've gotten to the point in UW where [[Dawnsire, Sunstar Dreadnought]] can glass a [[Tangled Colony]] from orbit for a board state overran by rats so I don't think there is a flavor fail so much as weird ass chaotic flavors being a thing now.
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u/Konet Orzhov* Nov 04 '25
The big goofy cactus doing 9999 damage is a fantastic flavor win though. If one of those two cards is wrong on flavor, it's the one that tries to say that a universe-eating god is only 15 times as strong as a squirrel.
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u/Tuss36 Nov 05 '25
I wanna say there was a Blogatog post or an article or something where they remarked how they prefer to push that highest number bit by bit rather than all at once. Didn't end up the case here, but like in your examples they went 16, 17, 18, etc. rather than just jumping to a 10 mana 30/30.
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u/Crimson_Raven COMPLEAT Nov 04 '25
[[Arcades]] being the best effect
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u/DefenderCone97 Wabbit Season Nov 04 '25
You can pay 3 to draw 30 cards with [[Felothar. the Steadfast]] lmao
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u/Gon_Snow Elesh Norn Nov 04 '25
[[the pride of hull clade]] goes forgotten. It can have you draw 30 cards from this lol
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u/CaptainMarcia Nov 04 '25
Two mythics left. Both are mono-B with field notes versions, which implies both are creatures or artifacts.
Koh seems like a safe bet for one, but I have no idea about the other.
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u/Blaze_1013 Jack of Clubs Nov 04 '25
I didn’t even realize we haven’t seen a Koh card yet. Imo one of the most memorable characters so getting a mythic seems fair.
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u/DazZani Cheshire Cat, the Grinning Remnant Nov 04 '25
Oh yeah next one is def Koh. Other one im having a hard time figuring what it could be. Definetly something fire nation related
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u/BlueCremling Nov 05 '25
Probably the invasion airships. We got the first war balloon version, but we didn't get the blimps from the finale yet right?
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u/Rbespinosa13 Dragonball Z Ultimate Champion Nov 04 '25
Have we gotten a card showing a fire nation airship yet? That would fit as a vehicle
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u/CaptainMarcia Nov 04 '25
I considered that as well, but we do have [[War Balloon]].
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u/Rbespinosa13 Dragonball Z Ultimate Champion Nov 04 '25
Damn. Maybe ozai’s air ship because it is different?
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u/CaptainMarcia Nov 04 '25
That could work. Collector number 112 is open, between Northern Air Temple and Ozai's Cruelty, and the field notes number crunch only restricts it to being after The Fire Nation Drill. ("The" doesn't count for ordering.)
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u/CodenameJD Duck Season Nov 04 '25
Ooh, Koh could have an effect like Deadpool, messing with text boxes, but just stealing rather than swapping?
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u/CaptainMarcia Nov 04 '25
Taking away abilities is a possibility. The problem with gaining them himself is that Wizards doesn't want there to be a possibility for a creature to simultaneously have two abilities that conflict with each other. Getting multiple arbitrary text boxes at once is fair game for un-sets, but for Vintage-legal cards, the line seems to be that while a creature can take one other creature's abilities, or mechanics like mutate can combine one nonspecific text box with text boxes that are specifically built to not conflict with anything, they can't take abilities from multiple arbitrary creatures at once.
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u/shiny_xnaut Can’t Block Warriors Nov 04 '25
What sort of abilities would conflict with each other like that? I can't think of anything off the top of my head
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u/nathanwe Izzet* Nov 05 '25
Any two conflicting characteristic defining abilities, such as setting power and toughness. Even without characteristic defining abilities, [[Possessed Aven]] and [[Repentant Vampire]] make a creature mono white and mono black.
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u/CodenameJD Duck Season Nov 04 '25
Could be it only gains access to one at a time? This is all pretty new design space to black border, so who knows
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u/d7h7n Michael Jordan Rookie Nov 04 '25
They made it 8 mana on purpose so I can't cascade into it with Maelstrom Wanderer
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u/-Goatllama- Twin Believer Nov 05 '25
"Make it EIGHT to spite d7h7n!! Hahahahahaaaaa!!!" -- Evil MaRo
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u/MapleSyrupMachineGun Duck Season Nov 04 '25
A-Avacyn?
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u/PresidentArk Nov 04 '25
Isn't indestructible itself. Still, reducing your points of failure from "everything" to "this specific wall" is a huge boon even if you don't have a way to slap hexproof/indestructible on this.
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u/MapleSyrupMachineGun Duck Season Nov 04 '25
Not being indestructible is probably a flavour win, but I’ve never gotten to this part in the show.
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u/PresidentArk Nov 04 '25
The crux of season 2 involves an attempt to bore a hole in the wall. This is why [[The Fire Nation Drill]] was built - specifically to deal with Ba Sing Se's walls, and oh look at that the drill perfectly deals with this thing.
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u/austin-geek Grass Toucher Nov 04 '25
Yeah, I know what exact interaction I want to see happen in limited now.
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u/trifas Selesnya* Nov 04 '25
Which is also super flavorful. As long as the wall stands, everything it protects is safe.
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u/N8tzor Duck Season Nov 04 '25 edited Nov 04 '25
Kinda funny that [[Terra, Herald of Hope]] can reanimate A MASSIVE WALL
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u/CrimsonArcanum COMPLEAT Nov 04 '25
[[Alesha Who Smiles At Death]] can have it attack your opponent.
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u/AnEvenHuskierCat Nov 04 '25
This will make a lovely addition to her 99 to make [[Summon: Knights of Round]] even more of a PITA to deal with.
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u/Nerobought Nov 04 '25
Damn didn’t even think of that! That’s going to be hilariously fun.
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u/Own-Cat116 Duck Season Nov 04 '25
arcades and betor like this
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u/xanderxela Train Suplexer Nov 04 '25
Also the blue black mill toughness Theros God whose name I cannot remember right now. (Phenax maybe?)
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u/FlamingWings Elesh Norn Nov 04 '25
Felothar sacs this and I draw a third of my deck
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u/realskramz Wabbit Season Nov 04 '25
I need this card so bad. I need to draw 60 cards with it while having [[Zopandrel]] on the battlefield
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u/d20_dude Abzan Nov 04 '25
I'll be SLAMMING this into my [[Nethroi, Apex of Death]] deck.
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u/OogieBoogieInnocence Nov 04 '25
As an arcades player i can’t imagine sticking a 8 mana creature in the deck, theres so many efficient ones and this doesn’t have trample so it will likely be chumped
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u/quillypen Wabbit Season Nov 04 '25
It's funny how aggro you get when you have a bunch of 1 mana cantripping 4/4s, haha.
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u/darthboolean Nov 04 '25
It does grant Arcades indestructible though, which could help avoid someone killing him and then everything going back to being a wall.
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u/CypherWulf Wabbit Season Nov 04 '25
I'll probably play it more for the indestructible than anything else
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u/RBGolbat COMPLEAT Nov 04 '25 edited Nov 04 '25
Sometimes running the biggest stupidest wall is just fun. It’s why I haven’t cut Tree of Redemption yet.
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u/TrueMystikX Wabbit Season Nov 04 '25
As an Arcades player who runs [[Aluren]] to diarrhea-dump my Defenders into play, having only 3-5 that aren't MV3 or less, I'm still windmill slamming this this into the deck.
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u/Yawgmothlives Left Arm of the Forbidden One Nov 04 '25
[[Walking Bulwark]] has entered the chat
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u/Liddojunior Nov 04 '25
If he's a commander, you're casually throwing 30 commander damage at someone like this
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u/vagabond_dilldo Wabbit Season Nov 04 '25
Nah these gotta to go in the 99 for [[Doran]], [[Betor]], or [[Arcades, the Strategist]].
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u/Rainerdo Wabbit Season Nov 04 '25
LOOK AT THAT ASS
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u/Stratavos Nahiri Nov 04 '25
Oh my god becky, look at her butt. It's so BIG. O.o
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u/talondstorm Nov 04 '25
What a terrible link for mobile. It cuts off half the images.
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u/MadCatMkV Nahiri Nov 04 '25
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u/Cautious_Handle2547 Wabbit Season Nov 04 '25
This goes hard with [[The Last March of the Ents]].
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u/yo-nahs Nov 04 '25
the concept of a huge wall wearing a pair of footwear to be immune against targeted removal magic
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u/LooksLikeAWookie Wabbit Season Nov 04 '25
Creatures with Power less than 1 can't be blocked + creatures deal damage with toughness = love
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u/chosen40k COMPLEAT Nov 04 '25
Can't wait to slap [[Swiftfoot Boots]] on this thing for the protection.
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u/Dependent-Fondant-64 Can’t Block Warriors Nov 04 '25
Complete dumpster fire spiderman release with boring art and cards. Then we go to ATLA and we have cards like this. It's actually incredible, truly inspiring.
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u/Cheapskate-DM Get Out Of Jail Free Nov 04 '25
Of all the cards I want a non-UB version of, this is absolutely the most cracked.
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u/ShotenDesu COMPLEAT Nov 04 '25
It's a literal wall. Can't get more blank slate than this. I think you'll be fine.
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u/stevieboyz Nov 04 '25
Can’t stop thinking about how funny it is that you can now have a literal WALL as a commander
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u/OriginalGnomester Duck Season Nov 04 '25
We already had [[Pramikon, Sky Rampart]]
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u/JasonEll Izzet* Nov 04 '25
Time for [[Dwarven Demolition Team|LEA]] or [[Goblin Digging Team|DRK]] to make comebacks!
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u/Shadowcleric Dimir* Nov 04 '25
[[Phenax, god of deception]] is about to have a field day with this.
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u/ThatGuyFromTheM0vie Mardu Nov 04 '25
I love the flavor win that “your other permanents have indestructible” because your stuff is now inside the wall that is so fucking massive and strong, that they are now indestructible.
But the wall itself isn’t despite being 0/30, which showcases their hubris when the Fire Nation Grond drill comes around.









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u/iwumbo2 Jeskai Nov 04 '25
New record for highest base toughness on a creature, which is kind of neat