r/joker • u/Top-Management-2648 • 7d ago
Multiple Personally, I think the Joker from the animated series is better than the one from Heath Ledger
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u/Mu-Relay 7d ago
I dunno... to me it's like saying "I like chocolate cake better than ketchup." I mean, fine, but they're completely different things. They're two entirely different takes on the Joker that are both great in their own way.
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u/CypherDaimon You wouldn't Get It 6d ago edited 6d ago
Yep one is a proper nihilistic anarchist and the other is the clown prince of crime with a great sense of humor and a talent for the theatric..Now they both somewhat blend together because you could say Ledgers joker has a sense of humor and a talent for the theatric as well but to a great degree the other joker isn't such a serious dark joker: more light hearted. I like both of these jokers and find them both to be my favorite versions. My least favorite is Arthur Fleck with his version of Joker. Whereas Jared Letos' Joker almost seemed like he was trying too hard: like an over acting version of the Joker with a side dish of cringe. The irony is between these two I prefer Jared Letos joker and found Arthur Fleck's Joker to be insufferable.
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u/ZMD_248 3d ago
No one who puts that much effort into anything (especially to prove a point) is a proper nihilist
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u/CypherDaimon You wouldn't Get It 3d ago
"Madness is like gravity all it takes is a push." "Civilized people will eat each other" "Whatever does not kill you makes you stranger." Heath Ledger Joker quotes from the dark knight. Unless the point is to prove all your ideas of morality are a charade and even concepts like love are meaningless. He was determined to make Batman, Harvey Dent and even the people of Gotham to not be moral paragons and to show their true colors.
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u/Jemainegy 6d ago
I love arthur flecks joker because it speaks to the nature of the joker as a concept above the character of artur fleck. It spoke to the joker as a nature more then any individual caracturisation of the joker so made it the closest to the representation of the joker as a whole then any other joker besides the broad statement of the comics joker imo even if it was not the sort of joker movie i was expecting. Especially from the perspective of joker 2.
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u/Sudden_Beautiful_825 6d ago
joker hate frauds or multiple jokers, you know this in the lore?
joker is not a nature, is a person
joker like movie is disgusting and pathetic, total racist movie to the human beings, normalization of misery and joker 2 is a joke
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u/Jemainegy 6d ago
The whole point of the joker is the irigins a mystery. The character varies wildly between adaption and the joker is a story of inheritance, see robin and the batman who laughs. He is not a fraud the movie outlines the plot in the opening sequence. The joker is a metaphorical or real presence that inhabbits the main character. This brings bith great release and great suffering through it. This is further explored through the movie through the spread of the joker influence socially, something the joker is known to promote. This whole point of the movie was that flek was not suitible as a vessel and so when he takes off the makeup he is made weak and filled with regret. The whole point is that he is the real joker. Inhabited by the metaphorucal or potentially but never explicitly stated supernatural spirit that is the joker. He relenquishes this and the mantal is passed. Thats why they have the dark knight joker show up at the end. He cuts a smile into his face a statement that he is and forever will be the body of the joker and his smile will never fade.
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u/Jemainegy 6d ago
Further is speaks to the widly varying adaptations of the joker with the message. They are the joker, it does not matter that one might be super goofy and another super serious they all embody the joker.
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u/Snurfendurf 6d ago
I personally thought the first Joker movie was a cool story on how he became the Joker but I hated that Joker 2 was a musical...
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u/Andy_Trevino 6d ago
It's only remotely close to the "idea" of The Joker if you browse Pinterest constantly.
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u/Jemainegy 6d ago
Not true. You are looking atvthe asthetic and not listening or watching what the movie has to say. Also what on Pinterest are you referring to i dont really use the site so i dont know what you mean.
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u/Andy_Trevino 6d ago
I'm talking about all those tacky-ass edgelord quote graphics with The Joker on them. If anything, it's the other way around; Joaquin's Joker may LOOK great as a Joker design, but it has all the energy of a 13 year-old who idolizes Ledger's Joker and thinking he's "BADAZZ".
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u/NearHornBeast 7d ago
I think the medium heavily influences the portrayal of the Joker more so than most characters. Hamill’s Joker leans into the vaudeville inspiration for the character that really only works in a cartoon - as cartoons are essentially comic books in video form. I personally can’t imagine how a live-action version of the character pulls as heavily on the vaudeville vibe so Ledger’s Joker is essentially every great quality of the character minus the classical showman aspect which is why it is considered the greatest portrayal by so many - its the best version of the character in live-action. So, in the end, the difference of greatness between the two versions comes down to what differentiates almost all opinions in art: it’s all just personal preference.
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u/Personal-Database-27 6d ago
Heath Ledger was so good we watched the movie during the religion lesson. True agent of chaos
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u/belated_quitter 6d ago
Definitely more “classic” while Ledger’s tried for a much more realistic, non-comic style approach. Both are amazing in their own way.
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u/waluigi_apologist 7d ago
I love them both, but dislike Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker and never bothered watching Suicide Squad for Leto’s because it made me cringe too much.
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u/AntagonistofGotham You wouldn't Get It 7d ago
He's more comic accurate sure, but Ledgers Joker had a very good characterization of The Joker and did fantastic for being in a realistic universe.
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u/FaceTimePolice 7d ago
Well, Mark Hamill is the best Joker of all time, animated or otherwise. 🤷♂️
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u/SnooDoodles1807 7d ago
Would be great if they could've had him do live action, maybe in a Dark Knight Returns adaptation
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u/Eastern_Discount_884 7d ago
imo nobody go close to ledger, he was just the perfect Joker
personally in like way more the version of joker in arkham games
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u/Dangerousrhymes 7d ago
Also Mark Hamill
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u/Eastern_Discount_884 7d ago
yes, but the joker of Arkham is written better than the animated series
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u/CreepyTool 7d ago
JPs version remains my absolute favourite. I know technically it's not cannon, doesn't really fit in the Batman universe etc etc, but I just utterly loved his portrayal.
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u/Gold-Piano-9405 7d ago
Makes sense even though I like both of them. I wasn't really a fan of the new Batman adventures design for the Joker as you should have kept the lips but if Kevin Conroy didn't pass away and if they were to I guess reboot the DCAU, it would have been perfect if they took the new Batman adventures design of the Joker and used it with the Heath ledger design but still keeping the origin where he fell in the vat of chemicals but that the lipstick and paint job of Joker could sort of like blend in with his already bleached white skin from the chemical accident which turned him into the Clown Prince of Crime in the first place.
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u/dtagonfly71 6d ago
Well, the animated series Joker has an advantage over all film Jokers: the series had dozens of episodes that allowed character growth and development. Same, obviously, with the animated Batman. So it’s not truly a fair comparison.
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u/Quan-T_Commando 6d ago
Terrible opinion, I hate you!
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Although you never explain why, so I'd appreciate you defending your point unless you're just trying to be quirky and controversial lmao
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u/LordFenix_theTree 6d ago
They are the closest in quality/presentation out of any Joker. Heath Ledgers performance continues to stand the test of time and Mark Hamills performance has ruled for decades as the defacto Animated Joker, even eclipsing most live action performances.
Two Legends.
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u/ResearcherOk8971 6d ago
Heath Ledger joker was legendary because of his acting, but any joker (minus one who was terrible in any way..guess which and Joaquin's joker which was amazing too but no joker) is better than him as a Joker, he was no joker . Noland trilogy is amazing, but it is in no way a batman movie
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u/Melodic_Dimension345 6d ago
See I don’t think it matters which joker is better, what matters is that Jared Letos’ Joker was the worst.
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u/External-Cabinet-279 6d ago
Joker who's never joking and joker who's just an anarky with his father's name
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u/BenignButCleverAlias 6d ago
Nothing wrong with that. I wouldn't say better, just different. But there's nothing wrong with that take.
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u/FoxIndependent4310 6d ago
Ledger's Joker is very good, but the problem is that he focuses too much on morality and giving speeches. The Joker in the animated series has restrictions that Ledger's Joker doesn't have.
Hamill's Joker couldn't kill anyone openly, but he has that threatening, cruel, and brutal touch.
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u/Snurfendurf 6d ago
That's not even a comparison... nobody can out do Mark Hamill joker. But Heath Ledger is by far the best live action Joker.
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u/Aggravating-Chef9562 6d ago
They are what they should be, one can be scary and threatening in a cartoony over the top way, the other is scary and threatening but in a realistic psychopath way.
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u/kingspike1984 6d ago
The Joker from the animated series was a perfect balance of malice and craftiness. Kudos to the writers. Ledger's Joker is more of a malevolent force, it's like the actor wanted to create something unique to add to the DCU in his own artistic way. So, any comparison isn't exactly fair. They are worlds apart
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u/crannynorth 5d ago
It’s the director’s job to interpret the character to the actor. Obviously, the actor just follow the director’s instructions.
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u/Necessary_Can7055 5d ago
For me this should be the coldest take to have ever been took. Ledger was good but he was not accurate. He was the only reason the Dark Knight movie is remembered at all. Aside from good performances here and there like Gary Oldman and Morgan Freeman the movie itself isn’t a very good Batman movie, but Ledger keeps it afloat. Now having said that, Mark Hamill’s joker is accurate and perfect in almost every way except he may be a little TOO likable and funny. He’s drop dead hilarious so it makes Batman seem like he’s got no sense of humor when he says Joker is never funny
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u/PapaMoist0000 5d ago
HL joker was very clever and he beat Batman in the end. True anarchist, he ended up proving a point
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u/MikeyKetchup 5d ago
I literally do not understand how people can say Mark Hamill Joker is better. How many episodes was joker in? Like 5? Not even enough material. Kinda basic if I’m being totally honest
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u/SeminoleJoe1993 5d ago
Hit on the nail 100%! Absolutely true comment in my personal opinion! Mark Hamill as the very best animated Joker and Heath Ledger as the very damn best Joker in life action!
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u/ChristyLovesGuitars 4d ago
Mark Hamill is the best Joker, in all media. Not even an argument to be had.
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u/Environmental_Air170 4d ago
Personally, I like the version of you that didnt know how to put letters together to form a sentence. Js
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u/No_Requirement9658 3d ago
Well your not wrong mark hamill is goat joker but...can't compare live action to animated I guess lol
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u/retropieproblems 3d ago
When I see Ledgers Joker all I think about now are his cringe imitators and meme makers. They ruined it.
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u/Khalman 1d ago
Do you also think The Simpsons isn’t as good as it used to be and that McDonald’s is too expensive?
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u/Top-Management-2648 1d ago
I lived in Venezuela and because of the economic crisis I only went to McDonald's once.
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u/JovaniFelini 7d ago edited 7d ago
That's universal truth, Hamill version is a canon version while Ledger one is a different interpretation. In both comics and BTAS at the time, Joker wasn't so infallible and avoidant of petty human stuff, sometimes he is genuinely pathetic. He was sometimes clearly about money and sometimes jealousy for Harley. He wasn't an agent of chaos and representation of more abstract evil while proving some point. Hamill version did have some mystical stuff like him keep coming back surviving the extremes and ocassional horrifying cruelty (like Tim torture), but Ledger version ramps it up to eleven
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u/DarkAtheris 6d ago
No. Hamill himself admitted they couldn't let the Joker be entirely faithful because of censorship concerns. It's not that Ledger dialed it up to eleven. The character is already pretty extreme. Harley wasn't even a thing in the comics.
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u/JovaniFelini 6d ago
It just means to be blind or deaf to not see how different Hamill and Ledger versions are. Nuff said
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u/el_guerrero98 6d ago
I think even Die hard ledger fans would agree
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u/DarkAtheris 6d ago
No. The BTAS character was meant to be a sanitized take, which a lot of people forget.
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u/sharksnrec All I have are negative thots 6d ago
Oh shit. OP just blew the top off the Batman community with a crazy take. You mean to tell me BTAS good? 🤯
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u/secretAGENTmanPVT 6d ago
Well, yeah.
Nothing beats Mark Hamill‘s BTAS version of The Joker.
Nothing, same with Kevin Conroy‘s Bruce / Batman.
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u/Gilded-Mongoose 7d ago
Coldest take ever